in the news today - man hypnotizes cashier in italy and steals money - your thoughts?

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Permalink Reply by Angela Iozzia on March 25, 2008 at 1:42pm

I think this all falls under the "Crooks are Stupid" file, I did notice on second viewing that he touches her face and she looks up and he takes the money out of the till. Sleight of hand maybe, hypnosis is seriously doubtful!

Blessings,

Angela~

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Permalink Reply by Lee Darrow on March 26, 2008 at 3:10pm

Here's my take on it.

Robber to cashier: "Hello, sweet thing. You are going to give me the money from your register. If you don't, your family, at (insert address here), including (insert names OF family here), are going to die. Now be a smart girl and put the money in my hand. Oh yeah, if you tell the cops ANYTHING about me, you and your whole family are dead - so tell them I hypnotized you and you don't know nothin'. That's a good girl..." (touches her face, using the motion to conceal that he's showing her a gun under his coat).

Cashier: (nods, hands over money, looks dazed, continues on with work - follows instructions as given out of fear for her family's and her own lives!)

Now that's a lot more plausible than her claim to having been hypnotized, isn't it?

Lee Darrow, C.H.

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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on April 5, 2008 at 9:05pm

There was a case in Modavia a couple years ago with a bank robber and it did turn out to be a case of an inside job. The teller was actually dating the so-called bank robber. However, the followup stories on that were small and in the back of the papers while the original hypnotic robbery headlines were much more prominent. The last series I read about in India were likewise touted but it turned out to be cons using a gas delivered drug that induced compliance and memory loss, nothing to do with actual hypnosis. One fellow in India claimed it was hypnosis that caused him to hand over all his money from an ATM simply because he was so embarrased that he had been conned so easily. "Look into my eyes" is both hypnosis and Dracula (after all, Dracula was using "mesmerism") . . . Svengali also used hypnotic eyes. I suspect Lee's take on it would be more likely the "hypnotic gun" perhaps. There are evidently too many women involved at different locales for this to be simply inside jobs but there are still plenty of other explanations more likely than hypnosis . . . albeit, a whole slew of folks on the web sell products where they claim to teach hypnosis techniques so powerful that this very thing should be possible . . . if you choose to believe their add copy (since I've seen some of their actual products, I don't, most are just repackaging basic hypnosis info and calling it super secret powerful nonsense). Caveat emptor and all that. Of course, MY HYPNOMOJO is indeed so powerful and I definately could do the ol' cold walkup and walkaway with all your cash bit but choose not to as I'm such a moral guy. Yeah, right. As I tell folks in my shows, if my hypnomojo were that powerful (and I am good at this stuff) and such things really were possible then I'd be living on a paradise island somewhere with a huge mansion, a few lucury ships and planes and cars, and a whole slew of willing nubile concubines dressed like Princess Lea's outfit for her time with Jabba the Hutt . . . yeah, that's the ticket. Instead, I actually have to work for a living.

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Permalink Reply by Lee Darrow on April 6, 2008 at 2:34am

Which is precisely what I said would be the case when it was first reported and the whole argument flared up in alt.hypnosis over on Google Groups on the day the reports hit the western news services.

An inside job, not hypnosis. My summation, below, is one possiblity. The other is that this is another inside job, either by a copycat or by the same perpetrator.

Dealer's choice, as it really doesn't matter...

(sung)
this incredibly fatuous
non-hypnotic crime-type matter,
is no reason for concern
because it really doesn't matter....
(chorus sings, "matter, matter, matter, matter, matter,")

OMG!! A new Almost Gilbert and Not Really Sullivan
Doily Cart production of...

The Hypnotic Pirate of Penstrance!!

Featuring songs that include (rough version)"

I am the Very Model of A Modern Hypnotherapist
(I give all my trances sentences with a Milton Model or embedded twist),
I've studied both Barber, and Jeff Zieg, not to mention Fromm and good ol' Schorr
and can improvise a metaphor
from first line to a fourtuple core,

I know my systems eye tracking,
and what they're supposed to represent
I've studied 3d Mind and that is something I won't disrespect,
I know the swish and anchoring and models metaphorical
and laugh when I get called out by my friends stuff allegorical,

I know the use of humor, and although, right now, I do not jest
I am the very model of a modern hypnotherapist!

Sorry for stepping away from the Star Wars metaphor, but I tend to go Old School - and Star Wars doesn't have any good songs to filk!

You see? This is what you get when I come home at 4:30AM from a two show day that started at 5:30AM the day before...!

Lee Darrow, C.H.

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Permalink Reply by AJ on May 20, 2010 at 2:39pm

Let's say the operator canvassed similar situations and was able to identify a somnambulistic victim in waiting and ready to be "hoodwinked". Is it more than conceivable but believeable and achievable that the targeted person can be immediately groomed for a heist?

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Permalink Reply by Dennis Atkinson on May 20, 2010 at 2:54pm

Must be that special instant induction where they use a round cylinder looking device ... 9mm, perhaps a .380
It is quick and normally gets instant permission to enter a trance and often creates a state of amnesia

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Permalink Reply by John Cerbone - The Trance-Master on May 20, 2010 at 4:58pm

Nice lyrical rewrite Lee. Maybe the next time Data goes rogue, Worf and Picard can get him to sing along to your remastered lyrics, LOL
I concur. There are language techniques I have used that will soften to compliance, but I'd hardly think anyone would or could rob a store with hypnosis. Not even people on this board.
Trance On!
John

Lee Darrow said:

Which is precisely what I said would be the case when it was first reported and the whole argument flared up in alt.hypnosis over on Google Groups on the day the reports hit the western news services.

An inside job, not hypnosis. My summation, below, is one possiblity. The other is that this is another inside job, either by a copycat or by the same perpetrator.

Dealer's choice, as it really doesn't matter...

(sung)
this incredibly fatuous
non-hypnotic crime-type matter,
is no reason for concern
because it really doesn't matter....
(chorus sings, "matter, matter, matter, matter, matter,")

OMG!! A new Almost Gilbert and Not Really Sullivan
Doily Cart production of...

The Hypnotic Pirate of Penstrance!!

Featuring songs that include (rough version)"

I am the Very Model of A Modern Hypnotherapist
(I give all my trances sentences with a Milton Model or embedded twist),
I've studied both Barber, and Jeff Zieg, not to mention Fromm and good ol' Schorr
and can improvise a metaphor
from first line to a fourtuple core,

I know my systems eye tracking,
and what they're supposed to represent
I've studied 3d Mind and that is something I won't disrespect,
I know the swish and anchoring and models metaphorical
and laugh when I get called out by my friends stuff allegorical,

I know the use of humor, and although, right now, I do not jest
I am the very model of a modern hypnotherapist!

Sorry for stepping away from the Star Wars metaphor, but I tend to go Old School - and Star Wars doesn't have any good songs to filk!

You see? This is what you get when I come home at 4:30AM from a two show day that started at 5:30AM the day before...!

Lee Darrow, C.H.

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Permalink Reply by Pattie Freeman CH.t, MST on May 20, 2010 at 5:03pm

Well as we all seen videos of hypnotist in England hypnotizing people at race tracks and other areas doing suggestablity for the person to do certain things...I believe it can happen but there has to be I think a comfort level between them,,, trust issue.
So It's hard to see what atually happen...You nrvrt know..

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Permalink Reply by Ian Collins on May 20, 2010 at 10:01pm

As for me- typical PR rubbish.
First of all- if we was hypnptised then how does she remember that?
Next thing- do you believe that the police would reveal this so easily before they catch a guy?
Or maybe it is just an axcuse for a cashier for her mistake/cooperation?
Another thing- if this guy hypnotized her- why he was so careless and forgot to place a suggestion of forgetting him?
Or... maybe he has given her a suggestion that she will have an urgency to inform media about that????

I guarantee you- when my friend (each of my friends) opens a shop and needs free publicity- we will arrange such stunt and have 99% warranty media will be interrested:)

Come on:) another made up story:)

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Permalink Reply by Jesus Gonzalez on May 20, 2010 at 11:46pm

If you are sure that he did it, Why dont you give it a try , record it in video , and upload it here?

It seems impossible. There are so may possibilities about what just happened right there.

The main non-hypnotic possibility:

They have talk before about getting fast cash; So she gives him the money, he runs away as the "steal hypnotist", and she is the poor woman who has been hypnotised and robbed. She really nows what is going to happen... So when they ask here she tells: I dont know what happened!?!? Was I Hypnotised?!?!? / She is now the victim, but when she arrives home, the 'steal hypnotist' is already there, waiting to give her 50% of cash she gave him.

The main hypnotic possibility:

The 'steal hypnotist' is really a Dark Indian Hypnotist who has studied arts of Psychological Control, and this way he control everybody his own way. But if this was real, I won't be stupid. I would go and hypnotise the security man, access to the video area, and remove all tapes. Isnt it logical?

Or maybe he just prehypnotised her... so he just launched an anchor..

Who knows?

I got a 'friend' who deals with cocaine (yes COCAINE), and he has got a very dark type of psychology, I dont know how he does it, but he seems to hypnotise everybody, but I dont know how he does it, because I couldn't talk with him about that yet.. He started anchoring me but in a good way, to raise my self-confidence but he didn't told me what he was doing. But as he does that, he does just the opposite to other people.

It's pretty interesting how many (dark?) hypnotist we can find out there.

Jesus

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on May 21, 2010 at 1:30am

He seems to hypnotize everybody? We'll he deals fricking cocaine. I don't know if I would call it hypnosis, but probably more of persuasion. How do you know he was anchoring you?

Jesus Gonzalez Jaen said:

I got a 'friend' who deals with cocaine (yes COCAINE), and he has got a very dark type of psychology, I dont know how he does it, but he seems to hypnotise everybody, but I dont know how he does it, because I couldn't talk with him about that yet.. He started anchoring me but in a good way, to raise my self-confidence but he didn't told me what he was doing. But as he does that, he does just the opposite to other people.

It's pretty interesting how many (dark?) hypnotist we can find out there.

Jesus

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Permalink Reply by Jesus Gonzalez on May 21, 2010 at 2:48am

Cause while he was talking to me, he started touching my elbow in a very particular way.

Yes it is persuasion, but he hypnotizes you, he focus you absolutely in what he is talking about. I would call it HypnoPersuasion™ (name created by Jesus Gonzalez Jaen, reference me if you want to use it BUAJAJA (Just jokin))

In a disco in my city, he persuaded 2 person who are in the door of discos (i dont know the name in english) to join us in the disco, and we were teenagers.

People who are in the door of discos use to be very serious and they are prepared to fight and get people out of there.

Finally we could go into;.

Jesus

PS: I DONT TAKE COCAINE HAHAHA


Antonio said:

He seems to hypnotize everybody? We'll he deals fricking cocaine. I don't know if I would call it hypnosis, but probably more of persuasion. How do you know he was anchoring you?

Jesus Gonzalez Jaen said:

I got a 'friend' who deals with cocaine (yes COCAINE), and he has got a very dark type of psychology, I dont know how he does it, but he seems to hypnotise everybody, but I dont know how he does it, because I couldn't talk with him about that yet.. He started anchoring me but in a good way, to raise my self-confidence but he didn't told me what he was doing. But as he does that, he does just the opposite to other people.

It's pretty interesting how many (dark?) hypnotist we can find out there.

Jesus

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