EMDR

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Permalink Reply by Chris Witherspoon on May 2, 2010 at 6:00am

For all of a novices please explain what the acronym EMDR means!

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on May 2, 2010 at 6:46am

Hi Chris,

Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing. This technique was discovered by Francine Shapiro; here is the website: http://www.emdr.com/ Training through her organization is limited to licensed mental health professionals, who, as Joseph states, have a Master's degree.

EMDR has been found to be effective in the treatment of PTSD. Dr. Shapiro happened upon the process one day when she was out for a walk and at the time was experiencing some unpleasant thought and emotion. She noticed that after she moved her eyes from side to side, looking at the trees and birds, her distress was allieviated. She developed a protocol that incorporates that movement in a therapeutic form.

One of my clients received EMDR therapy through a Veteran's Admin. referral and found it quite helpful. After that experience, he found it much easier to consider hypnosis for addressing issues.

Kelley

(Sorry, Joseph, I don't know of any other training for EMDR specifically and actually, I believe the process and name is proprietary to Shapiro. Maybe someone else here does...You might get her book, EMDR: The Breakthrough Therapy for Overcoming Anxiety, Stress and Trauma. My local library has it and I found it quite interesting and informative!)

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on May 2, 2010 at 6:47am

IDEA: An acronym guide here...

Chris Witherspoon said:

For all of a novices please explain what the acronym EMDR means!

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on May 2, 2010 at 8:20am

FYI-

This may be of interest-

EMDR and Mesmerism: A Comparative Historical Analysis
Abstract
Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR) is among the fastest growing interventions in the annals of psychotherapy. Although many psychologists have commented on its presumably unusual origins and dissemination, history reveals its many parallels with Mesmerism, a previous therapy that spread rapidly throughout 18th century Europe and America. The purpose of this article is to document the many striking similarities between the history of Mesmerism and the history of EMDR.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Witherspoon on May 2, 2010 at 12:30pm

An acronym guide would be most helpful. There are so many healing modalities that you need a program to keep track.

Kelley Woods said:

IDEA: An acronym guide here...

Chris Witherspoon said:

For all of a novices please explain what the acronym EMDR means!

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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on May 2, 2010 at 12:41pm

Moving, rolling and/or rotating the eyes is no new discovery. The technique is used in other rmodalities including EFT, integrative healing methods presented here and accupuncture; see this.

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Permalink Reply by John R. Brochu on May 2, 2010 at 1:29pm

Joseph:

I read Shapiro book when it was first published and inquired about a certification course. In the 90’s, most of the courses were taught by practitioners not academicians (read PhDs) and anyone could take the training.
In their quest for credentialism the EMDR certification has set the standard of a Masters degree to be certified.
I find it interesting that Shapiro was a student when she developed EMDR but requires a Masters degree to learn those principles now…

Joe, the reality of today’s hypnosis world with a few dollars and a connection to the Internet, you too can become a PhD by the end of the week.
Better yet just call yourself “Dr. Joe” and you will automatically qualify.

I see no advantage that EMDR would hold over hypnosis. I have had the opportunity to study with EMDR practitioners and I have not seen the value in it.

Best of luck in your EMDR search…
Yours in Health,
John Brochu
BrochuHypnosisCenter.com

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Permalink Reply by JOSEPH BLACKWOLF on May 2, 2010 at 3:07pm

Sorry, I didn't intend to confuse.

Chris Witherspoon said:

For all of a novices please explain what the acronym EMDR means!

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Permalink Reply by JOSEPH BLACKWOLF on May 2, 2010 at 3:08pm

Thank you John

John R. Brochu said:

Joseph:

I read Shapiro book when it was first published and inquired about a certification course. In the 90’s, most of the courses were taught by practitioners not academicians (read PhDs) and anyone could take the training.
In their quest for credentialism the EMDR certification has set the standard of a Masters degree to be certified.
I find it interesting that Shapiro was a student when she developed EMDR but requires a Masters degree to learn those principles now…

Joe, the reality of today’s hypnosis world with a few dollars and a connection to the Internet, you too can become a PhD by the end of the week.
Better yet just call yourself “Dr. Joe” and you will automatically qualify.

I see no advantage that EMDR would hold over hypnosis. I have had the opportunity to study with EMDR practitioners and I have not seen the value in it.

Best of luck in your EMDR search…
Yours in Health,
John Brochu
BrochuHypnosisCenter.com

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on May 2, 2010 at 4:32pm

Hi Joseph, John, et al,

EMDR can be very effective just like RTC and Fix, and Inner Child, PLR, etc. can be very effective - I honor the effectiveness of these techniques and I reject the explanation of why these hypnotic techniques are effective.

Joseph - by the powers vested in me I hereby authorize you to invent your very own and very powerful EMDR-like hypnotic technique/ritual and remember the magic is in your clients beliefs, expectations and inner-resources... You can do this!

The Link below is a light-hearted spoof for all of your viewing pleasure-- Scroll Down to the Dancing Eyes

Warmest regards,

Michael E.

The Sudotherapay Home Page - Trauma Treatment
http://sudotherapay.tripod.com

JOSEPH BLACKWOLF said:

Thank you John
John R. Brochu said:

Joseph:

I read Shapiro book when it was first published and inquired about a certification course. In the 90’s, most of the courses were taught by practitioners not academicians (read PhDs) and anyone could take the training. In their quest for credentialism the EMDR certification has set the standard of a Masters degree to be certified. I find it interesting that Shapiro was a student when she developed EMDR but requires a Masters degree to learn those principles now…
Joe, the reality of today’s hypnosis world with a few dollars and a connection to the Internet, you too can become a PhD by the end of the week.
Better yet just call yourself “Dr. Joe” and you will automatically qualify.

I see no advantage that EMDR would hold over hypnosis. I have had the opportunity to study with EMDR practitioners and I have not seen the value in it.

Best of luck in your EMDR search…
Yours in Health,
John Brochu
BrochuHypnosisCenter.com

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on May 2, 2010 at 5:11pm

lol That's hilarious, Michael!

A testimonial on Sudotherapy's site: "The psychiatrist said I had ADHD, the psychologist said I was oppositional/defiant and my mom said I was just a brat, but after 5 minutes with "Sudo" I felt great".

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on May 2, 2010 at 11:15pm

"I see no advantage that EMDR would hold over hypnosis. I have had the opportunity to study with EMDR practitioners and I have not seen the value in it."

With all do respect, John (And I do mean that, it's not just "lip service"), as a practitioner that specializes in trauma relief including PTSD...

EMDR holds TREMENDOUS VALUE... And is considerably safer than traditional hypnotherapy when it comes to working with PTSD (and I say this as a hypnotherapist and trainer of hypnotherapy).

I am THRILLED that traditional psychology and the U.S. Military is using something that works so well and has such an incredibly high success rate. It's giant leap out of the dark ages of the torcherous talk therapy they've put sufferers of PTSD through in the past.

That being said, despite the fact that you must be a Licensed Medical Practitioner with at least a Masters Degree in order to become certified in EMDR (which is a shame because I could teach a 12 year old how to do it), you CAN use other modalities including EMI (Eye Movement Integration) created by Steve & Connirae Andreas in 1989 and EFT (which uses "tapping" along with Eye Movements that create the same affect as EMDR in my experience) and certain NLP techniques including "Three place dissociation and the "Fast Phobia Cure" (just be certain to establish a very strong resource and be very well experienced).

Demonstation of EMI here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnoqWqijYvQ&feature=fvw and of course you can google EFT to find out more about that.

Now that all of that has been stated, although I am glad that EMDR is so well respected in the traditional medical field (because it does work), it is also incomplete and so is EMI, EFT, and the other NLP techniques I mentioned...

And by incomplete, I mean that all, used correctly can seem literally miraculous when it comes to removing the negative emotional charge of past traumas including PTSD, however... They only address "removing the pain" and do not necessarily help with clients learning how to experience pleasure and creating a new identity for themselves, if one is needed.

I have worked with a number of clients that have done EMDR or something similar that indeed helped them to remove the painful charge of past traumas but now felt that there was something "missing" in their life. Some felt like their "identity" was taken away and they felt somewhat of a "hole that they were uncertain how to fill".

Simply put, if you do not help clients discover and move towards what they desire in life and teach them how to feel good, Really Good... from the inside out, you take the risk of almost doing more harm than good if they've lived with a particular trauma for a long period of time.

I've seen this with Vietnam Vet's that that benefited greatly from EMDR & EFT but later felt "empty" and uncertain where to go next in life.

So, in summary...

-- EMDR is a fantastic healing modality and it does have an exceptionally high success rate and is considerably safer to use with PTSD than any form of traditional hypnotherapy that I know of (This excludes many NLP techniques however).

-- EFT, EMI and many other NLP techniques, when used correctly are just as effective with major traumas and PTSD

-- All of the above, are incomplete for traumas that an individual has experienced for a number of years and should be followed up and or preceded with helping the client in a goal oriented way that allows him/her to experience positive emotions from the inside out as apposed to just letting go of negative ones. It's not just about how much "pain" you can get rid of... It's also very much about how much "pleasure" you can help your client to experience in a "towards", goal oriented manner...

Kevin

Live NLP, Life Coach & Hypnosis Training Certification



John R. Brochu said:

Joseph:
I read Shapiro book when it was first published and inquired about a certification course. In the 90’s, most of the courses were taught by practitioners not academicians (read PhDs) and anyone could take the training. In their quest for credentialism the EMDR certification has set the standard of a Masters degree to be certified.
I find it interesting that Shapiro was a student when she developed EMDR but requires a Masters degree to learn those principles now…

Joe, the reality of today’s hypnosis world with a few dollars and a connection to the Internet, you too can become a PhD by the end of the week.
Better yet just call yourself “Dr. Joe” and you will automatically qualify.

I see no advantage that EMDR would hold over hypnosis. I have had the opportunity to study with EMDR practitioners and I have not seen the value in it.

Best of luck in your EMDR search…
Yours in Health,
John Brochu
BrochuHypnosisCenter.com

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