Credibility

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Permalink Reply by Craig Eubanks on June 20, 2008 at 8:37am

A couple of quick points:

1. Certification does NOT equal competence.

The only training I know of that awards a certificate based on competence is Mark Cunningham's "New Curriculum" Training. There may be others, but his is the only one I know of in the Hypnosis community.

2. Some of the greatest hypnotists had no certifications or alphabet soup behind their name.

Example: Dave Elman


3. It's always a good exercise to ask "who certified the people giving the certification?"

I also like to look at how much hands-on experience the trainers have. Or do they spend all their time in the seminar room.

Cheers,

Craig

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on June 20, 2008 at 9:52am

One primary reason that suits are more successful against licensed persons is that said licensed persons are held accountable in court to both state and national Codes of Ethics and practice regulations, which spell out in great detail the limitations of practice for the credential.

Therefore, there is a document in place which one can judge the actions against - i.e. the professional shall not have sexual relations with any current or past client. If the professional does so, they have clearly violated the state and nationally recognized statutes governing their credential - and the suit against them may easily be successful.

By what state or nationally accepted standards are 'unregulated' hypnotists judged in court? (Perhaps fortunately - or unfortunately - depending on your viewpoint at the time) the burdon of proof is likely much more difficult against the unregulated hypnotist, since there are no standards of accountability.

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Permalink Reply by Marc Carlin on June 20, 2008 at 8:35pm

This just proves one thing. Paper does not reject ink!

I'd be interested to know how many of us are members of the hypnosis union. With the clout of numbers that the unions can provide, we at least can fend off the smothering of those official bodies that Richard refers to in his reply.

Elected officials are careful to tread lightly where union sentiment is concerned.

Marc

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Permalink Reply by Marc Carlin on June 20, 2008 at 8:42pm

Hi Craig,

Now that you mention Mark Cunningham, I'm hosting a free teleseminar with Mark this Tuesday evening. It's an evening of Q & A with one of the most accomplished, intelligent and controversial hypnotists in the field today. Anyone interested in taking advantage of this event only has to sign up and get there early. The spaces are quite limited as the hosting facility has strict limits on capacity. You can ask your most pressing questions about hypnosis from the man that guarantees his client's success.

To sign up and ask your questions go to:

http://www.hypnoticstate.com/page7/page7.html

Hypnotically yours,

Marc

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Permalink Reply by Lee Darrow on June 21, 2008 at 8:50am

Sorry, but in this you are dead wrong. The Union was asleep at the switch in Indiana, New York and Florida as well as in Illinois. It was only through the primary actions of a small group of individuals in Illinois, in fact, primarily one individual, Rev. Scott Giles, that saved the day for hypnotherapists here, in toto.

While having a Union card, as I have mentioned, is a sign of credibility to many in the blue collar communities, as far as hypnotherapy goes, in actual fact, it means even less than some certifications from some of the professional organizations out there as they have been known to recognize and accept "graduates" of the 2- or 3-day "weekend wonder courses" that many of us have been complaining about.

Elected officials only tread lightly where Unions are concerned when the union involved has a large membership behind it and the International Brotherhood of Hypnotists (AFL-CIO) does not have that size going for it and the rest of the AFL-CIO has not particularly risen to our defense in very loud voice or large numbers.

So much for "Union solidarity." I guess that only works if you are "in" with the right political groups IN the Union, itself. Ask anyone who was involved in the last H.E.R.E. union election in Chicago about that.

Respectfully,

Lee Darrow, C.H.

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on June 21, 2008 at 10:01am

I couldn't agree more that certification does not guarantee competence, any more than any degree does.

However, I find it hard to believe that there's only one program basing certification on competence. I went through a 250-hour course with a practical and written exam, and I'm absolutely certain my instructor would not have recommended me for certification (with the IHF) if she thought I was incompetent.

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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on June 21, 2008 at 3:22pm

Mark's course is a solid one but it is not the only one that looks for competence before graduating folks with a certificate (Craig said Mark's course was the only one he knew of, which allows him some leeway in his generalization) . . . I know a number of instructors who use competence based approaches that are based upon practical demonstration as well as written examination, a dear friend, Sandy Chang, is very strict about who she graduates, insisting upon skillset demonstrations that are well above the norm. The SET http://www.trancesociety.org has liberal membership policies (allowing distance evaluation) but they are based upon competence demonstration. However, there are definitely organizations and instructors for whom competence is less important than growing membership and the fees associated with those memberships. I personally know folks who were certified with one major organization who have skipped most of the course, handed in mostly blank examination papers, and who were passed with absolutely no skills or competence. However, also know instructors for that same organization who are incredibly competent instructors who make certain they only pass folks who actually know the material. It's an issue of individual values and competence coupled with organizational orientation. I have found that the number of hours the course is comprised of many times doesn't reflect the potential competence of the students - some very short courses impart more competence in basic skills than some of the longer courses where the material is shoddy and instruction lax.

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Permalink Reply by Marc Carlin on June 22, 2008 at 6:09am

Hi Lee,

Contrary to what you write, in a meeting with Rev. C. Scott Giles in NY, I heard him say that it was because of the union clout,(you can read this as the threat of the union clout) along with the work of the NGH,(again that would be the work of Rev. Giles), that the New York Law placed Hypnotists outside of the licensing requirements. As long as they use the terminology recommended by the NGH.

He also stated that the settlement in Connecticut was put through because of the threat of exposing the statistics that you mentioned earlier about licensed practitioners.

By the way, the NGH supports the law in NY. They feel that if there is going to be some kind of regulation anyway, they may as well be involved in the process.

I'm glad to hear your opinion on the Union, that is what I requested.

Marc

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on June 22, 2008 at 9:08am

If we wish to keep our profession credible, we need more credible training programs.

In the early 1990's, a clinical psychologist took my hypnosis course. He told the class that in all the years of study to get his doctorate in psychology, he only had six hours of training in hypnosis. He was interested in using hypnosis in his practice, and wanted to learn it as an art. After finishing my course, he referred several clients to me over the years.

It is my opinion that the "quickie" training programs hurt us all. Yet I also believe that the hypnosis profession should be self-regulated, and not regulated by any other profession.

Roy Hunter, Certified Hypnosis Instructor
(Certified to teach by Charles Tebbetts)

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Permalink Reply by Lee Darrow on June 22, 2008 at 10:27am

Okay, I stand corrected on New York, but I will still believe that it was primarily due to the participation of the individuals who were present and am willing to bet that Union presence at that meeting was, for all intents of purpose, non-existent.

Please do not get me wrong, I am a firm supporter of Unionism, in general, especially where it is needed (and heaven knows this profession needs all the help it can get to keep it from being legislated or censored by caveat, like two major credit card companies seem to be trying to do, slowly), but have little faith in many of the officials of certain Unions to do much more than to "play their own political agendas, for their own gains."

Lee Darrow, C.H.

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Permalink Reply by Alexander DeGagne on January 28, 2010 at 10:41am

I saw this site filled out all the anwsers with ese and i thought that it was way to easy. This site is mealy for getting a peice of paper and nothing elce it is mealy a confidnce builder just like leo Gopals new site that is just a "hey don't forget" kind of thing i do not need this but more need a free site that i could get curtified fre of charge what so ever. I don't think i will ever find one but more that i am just finding phoneys.

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