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Stage hypnosis or just a sham?
Role playing theories suggest hypnosis is just social compliance on part of the subjects to carry out the wishes of the hypnotist. Displays of subjects appearing to see vivid hallucinations and of subjects perceiving drastic changes in temperature might seem very convincing, but are they real? In some more lustful and lewd shows specifically the ones targeting adults, some volunteers would even be seen humping frantically at their chair.
My question is... how much of stage hypnosis is just social compliance, the desire to play along?
Or is it that every single one of the volunteers on stage is experiencing full immersion sensory hallucinations which I understand to be one of the more difficult effects that can be achieved with hypnosis?
PG13 High School variation example - "look at the cute teletubbie! oh, I think it wants a hug." Boy age 17 proceeds to hug creature of God.
Is the subject really seeing a visual of a hallucinated moving, breathing, interacting object that he cannot distinguish from reality? Is he also experiencing the tactile sensations?
Another question; what's the difference between compliance to suggestion (pass the butter) and a hypnotic suggestion?
And one more thing; this post is not intended as an attack on stage hypnotists. Not even suggesting it's an illegitimate profession that makes a mockery of true hypnosis. The title's just intended for dramatic effect. Am interested in all opinions.
My question is... how much of stage hypnosis is just social compliance, the desire to play along?
Or is it that every single one of the volunteers on stage is experiencing full immersion sensory hallucinations which I understand to be one of the more difficult effects that can be achieved with hypnosis?
PG13 High School variation example - "look at the cute teletubbie! oh, I think it wants a hug." Boy age 17 proceeds to hug creature of God.
Is the subject really seeing a visual of a hallucinated moving, breathing, interacting object that he cannot distinguish from reality? Is he also experiencing the tactile sensations?
Another question; what's the difference between compliance to suggestion (pass the butter) and a hypnotic suggestion?
And one more thing; this post is not intended as an attack on stage hypnotists. Not even suggesting it's an illegitimate profession that makes a mockery of true hypnosis. The title's just intended for dramatic effect. Am interested in all opinions.
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Permalink Reply by Ian Jay on -
Jonathan Royle (or whatever he decides to call himself), who claims to have a Ph.D is an exposed conman.
End of story.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on -
Hey Reg-- I stand with you --
Newbies -- Mastery is not bending to "group think" If 99% of us agree on something - I am confident our profound understanding is sure to prove be incorrect....
Hi Brian -
The brain scan evidence you are mentioning do not explain away anything as far as I can see - I'm thinking the neuro-technology offers a look at the effect rather than the motivation.
I offer the X-factor.... X number of people will be "deeply hypnotized" -- X number of people will be "moderately hypnotized" and X number of people will acting out their understanding of hypnotic behavior -- the Masterful hypno is able recognize who's who and who's what and he or she is easily able to draw out the best of each of their participants.
Michael E.
Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist said:My brief post was my answer to both questions:
"My question is... how much of stage hypnosis is just social compliance, the desire to play along?"
"Another question; what's the difference between compliance to suggestion (pass the butter) and a hypnotic suggestion?"
The poster was "interested in all opinions" so what's yours Bruce?
As a hypnotist, in my opinion, it is essential to know the difference between someone who is choosing to comply with a suggestion and someone who is genuinely hypnotised.
It's sad that you chose to interpret my answer the way you did.
I'm prepared to concede that I'm not as well informed as you and 99% of the members of this site but I do know that beginning a reply "with respect" doesn't necessarily make it a respectful reply.
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on -
I use the Perato Rule Michael as it seems to fit in most cases. So 20% can - 20% can't and 60% vary between the two. I think this spans the hypnosis world regardless of what the point of the exercise is.
In my opinion however the good performer only uses the best and the entirely hypnotised and totally manipulates the experience for them from start to finish. And yes, that is both on and off stage.
Michael Ellner said:Hey Reg-- I stand with you --
I offer the X-factor.... X number of people will be "deeply hypnotized" -- X number of people will be "moderately hypnotized" and X number of people will acting out their understanding of hypnotic behavior -- the Masterful hypno is able recognize who's who and who's what and he or she is easily able to draw out the best of each of their participants. Michael E.
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Permalink Reply by Rachel Houghton on -
Please be careful what you say about my partner.
You are on the borderline of committing defamation of character.
I merel answered a question why make this personal - thats hardly professinal is it?
Ian Jay said:Jonathan Royle (or whatever he decides to call himself), who claims to have a Ph.D is an exposed conman.
End of story.
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Permalink Reply by ricky strode on -
Actually it was more like an advertisement, but in any sorts. Here in other parts of the world, we can talk about people however we want to as long as it is't violently threating them or blackmail.
Rachel Houghton said:Please be careful what you say about my partner.
You are on the borderline of committing defamation of character.
I merel answered a question why make this personal - thats hardly professinal is it?
Ian Jay said:Jonathan Royle (or whatever he decides to call himself), who claims to have a Ph.D is an exposed conman.
End of story.
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Permalink Reply by ricky strode on
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Thats is what defines the difference between pros and novice. I have not met anyone that I could not hypnotize and this includes people that are unwilling and much more. That is the big difference between conversational hypnosis and other method. I like to combine the two in interesting ways, but that is besides the point, because you know what they say about old dogs. hahahaha (evil laugh) I too can be very arogant, but I am sure I have many more reasons to be.
Jonathan Chase said:I use the Perato Rule Michael as it seems to fit in most cases. So 20% can - 20% can't and 60% vary between the two. I think this spans the hypnosis world regardless of what the point of the exercise is.
In my opinion however the good performer only uses the best and the entirely hypnotised and totally manipulates the experience for them from start to finish. And yes, that is both on and off stage.
Michael Ellner said:Hey Reg-- I stand with you --
I offer the X-factor.... X number of people will be "deeply hypnotized" -- X number of people will be "moderately hypnotized" and X number of people will acting out their understanding of hypnotic behavior -- the Masterful hypno is able recognize who's who and who's what and he or she is easily able to draw out the best of each of their participants. Michael E.
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Permalink Reply by Ian Jay on
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The 'con man' exposure:
Smith has appeared on a broad range of ITV and BBC shows over the past nine years in a number of guises. Using the alternative names Alex Alexander and Alex Leroy, he has claimed to be everything from a hypnotist and magician to a circus performer. He has conned producers on Kilroy - where he appeared five times under two different names - All Rise for Julian Clary, GMTV, The Big Breakfast, This Morning, The Time The Place, Here and Now, Prime Time and The Word.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-17480/TV-hoaxer-appear...
And his claim to have a Ph.D is on file here, in his supplied application form to part take in the Haitian marketing ploy.
Defamation of character? ROFL!!
IJ
Rachel Houghton said:Please be careful what you say about my partner.
You are on the borderline of committing defamation of character. I merel answered a question why make this personal - thats hardly professinal is it?
Ian Jay said:Jonathan Royle (or whatever he decides to call himself), who claims to have a Ph.D is an exposed conman.
End of story.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on
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Hypnosis is about beliefs, Here on this thread, we see several beliefs that one might adopt as his (or her) core belief regarding those elusive concepts of "depth", hypnotiz-ability, and reponsivness. I will just add my contribution to it if you don't mind. I have seen a lot of hypnosis shows.... I have trained with several differant stage hypnotists. . Done a few shows myself here and there. There is a BIG differance between Brand A and Brand B. Some Hypnotists talk about results .. Some actually GET results. If social proof is what your thinking about... social proof is what your being about!
New-bees, Old-bees and Inbetween-bees ....
Limiting Beliefs are Contagious ... Choose your Mentors Wisely.
Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on
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Ian do be careful,
You are in danger of committing a most grievous act of definition of character.
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Telling the future from People's Belly Buttons ? Is there a transparency template for that? ROFL. My God I almost peeed my pants! Oh yes.. This is the kind of Professional I really want to learn from!. I guess more suggestible folk have Outies and not so suggestible have inies. Navel piercings must indicate something also.
Thks Ian haven't laughed that much in a long time...
Hugh
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Permalink Reply by Mohammed Magsi on -
I am suffering from this problem. Having the qualifications in hypnotherapy and NLP, I am often asked the questions:
- Can you do tricks?
- Can you read my mind?
- Can you make people do things?
- Can you read my darker side
After helping my children with their issues, I noticed that parents at school either start ignoring me or wouldn't give me eye contact. I wonder why lol.
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Permalink Reply by Ian Jay on
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Hugh
Have you never heard of Neuro Linguistic Umbilical Programming?
You surprise me!
IJ
Hugh Cole said:Telling the future from People's Belly Buttons ? Is there a transparency template for that? ROFL. My God I almost peeed my pants! Oh yes.. This is the kind of Professional I really want to learn from!. I guess more suggestible folk have Outies and not so suggestible have inies. Navel piercings must indicate something also.
Thks Ian haven't laughed that much in a long time...
Hugh
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