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Stage hypnosis or just a sham?
Role playing theories suggest hypnosis is just social compliance on part of the subjects to carry out the wishes of the hypnotist. Displays of subjects appearing to see vivid hallucinations and of subjects perceiving drastic changes in temperature might seem very convincing, but are they real? In some more lustful and lewd shows specifically the ones targeting adults, some volunteers would even be seen humping frantically at their chair.
My question is... how much of stage hypnosis is just social compliance, the desire to play along?
Or is it that every single one of the volunteers on stage is experiencing full immersion sensory hallucinations which I understand to be one of the more difficult effects that can be achieved with hypnosis?
PG13 High School variation example - "look at the cute teletubbie! oh, I think it wants a hug." Boy age 17 proceeds to hug creature of God.
Is the subject really seeing a visual of a hallucinated moving, breathing, interacting object that he cannot distinguish from reality? Is he also experiencing the tactile sensations?
Another question; what's the difference between compliance to suggestion (pass the butter) and a hypnotic suggestion?
And one more thing; this post is not intended as an attack on stage hypnotists. Not even suggesting it's an illegitimate profession that makes a mockery of true hypnosis. The title's just intended for dramatic effect. Am interested in all opinions.
My question is... how much of stage hypnosis is just social compliance, the desire to play along?
Or is it that every single one of the volunteers on stage is experiencing full immersion sensory hallucinations which I understand to be one of the more difficult effects that can be achieved with hypnosis?
PG13 High School variation example - "look at the cute teletubbie! oh, I think it wants a hug." Boy age 17 proceeds to hug creature of God.
Is the subject really seeing a visual of a hallucinated moving, breathing, interacting object that he cannot distinguish from reality? Is he also experiencing the tactile sensations?
Another question; what's the difference between compliance to suggestion (pass the butter) and a hypnotic suggestion?
And one more thing; this post is not intended as an attack on stage hypnotists. Not even suggesting it's an illegitimate profession that makes a mockery of true hypnosis. The title's just intended for dramatic effect. Am interested in all opinions.
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Permalink Reply by Ricky Strode on -
Thats is what defines the difference between pros and novice. I have not met anyone that I could not hypnotize and this includes people that are unwilling and much more. That is the big difference between conversational hypnosis and other method. I like to combine the two in interesting ways, but that is besides the point, because you know what they say about old dogs. hahahaha (evil laugh) I too can be very arogant, but I am sure I have many more reasons to be.
Jonathan Chase said:I use the Perato Rule Michael as it seems to fit in most cases. So 20% can - 20% can't and 60% vary between the two. I think this spans the hypnosis world regardless of what the point of the exercise is.
In my opinion however the good performer only uses the best and the entirely hypnotised and totally manipulates the experience for them from start to finish. And yes, that is both on and off stage.
Michael Ellner said:Hey Reg-- I stand with you --
I offer the X-factor.... X number of people will be "deeply hypnotized" -- X number of people will be "moderately hypnotized" and X number of people will acting out their understanding of hypnotic behavior -- the Masterful hypno is able recognize who's who and who's what and he or she is easily able to draw out the best of each of their participants. Michael E.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on -
Hypnosis is about beliefs, Here on this thread, we see several beliefs that one might adopt as his (or her) core belief regarding those elusive concepts of "depth", hypnotiz-ability, and reponsivness. I will just add my contribution to it if you don't mind. I have seen a lot of hypnosis shows.... I have trained with several differant stage hypnotists. . Done a few shows myself here and there. There is a BIG differance between Brand A and Brand B. Some Hypnotists talk about results .. Some actually GET results. If social proof is what your thinking about... social proof is what your being about!
New-bees, Old-bees and Inbetween-bees ....
Limiting Beliefs are Contagious ... Choose your Mentors Wisely.
Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on -
Ian do be careful,
You are in danger of committing a most grievous act of definition of character.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on
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Telling the future from People's Belly Buttons ? Is there a transparency template for that? ROFL. My God I almost peeed my pants! Oh yes.. This is the kind of Professional I really want to learn from!. I guess more suggestible folk have Outies and not so suggestible have inies. Navel piercings must indicate something also.
Thks Ian haven't laughed that much in a long time...
Hugh
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Permalink Reply by Mohammed Magsi on -
I am suffering from this problem. Having the qualifications in hypnotherapy and NLP, I am often asked the questions:
- Can you do tricks?
- Can you read my mind?
- Can you make people do things?
- Can you read my darker side
After helping my children with their issues, I noticed that parents at school either start ignoring me or wouldn't give me eye contact. I wonder why lol.
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on -
Wow!
Lucky you!
I get peoples' life stories...
Sometimes when you ask 'how are you?' you just want the answer 'I'm fine'. Even if they're not!
Mohammed Magsi said:I am suffering from this problem. Having the qualifications in hypnotherapy and NLP, I am often asked the questions:
- Can you do tricks?
- Can you read my mind?
- Can you make people do things?
- Can you read my darker side
After helping my children with their issues, I noticed that parents at school either start ignoring me or wouldn't give me eye contact. I wonder why lol.
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Permalink Reply by Mohammed Magsi on
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Thank you Henxy4.
I have been amazingly lucky since I have started the practice. I am getting most difficult cases lol. Just lucky that I have a great mentor or else I be changing profession again lol.
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Permalink Reply by Richard Rumble on
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Alan117... Can you define "REAL" for the group?
For instance... Person A says he has been abducted by creatures from another planet and taken to a ship and probed and prodded... and totally BELIEVES it is real...
Person B believes That such a thing is not possible as there is no such thing as ships from other places with funny looking folks who poke and prod...
For whom do we assign "REAL"?
Second example... I am sitting on the hood of a police car explaining to the police man what I saw just happen. I am clear and concise because it happened right in front of ME only min. prior.... I have heard the police man tell his buddies that just rolled up what HE saw when he arrived.... and he arrived RIGHT NEXT TO MY position to see What I saw AS IT WAS HAPPENING.... and his description bears almost NO resemblance to my description. So... Which version was "REAL".
And for full Disclosure... I am a STAGE HYPNOTIST who does clinical work and works with the people who have been on my stage. I have a client who is on the Olympic Team in Vancouver for next week and one who is in the NFL... and after last nights show... I am willing to bet that I have at least two more athletes who will be playing Pro Ball in the next year or two...
What is REAL?
Your Question
"My question is... how much of stage hypnosis is just social compliance, the desire to play along"
My Answer: WHO CARES?!? As long as I am getting the responses I am asking for and the SHOW is ENTERTAINING... THAT IS WHAT I AM BEING PAID FOR. If they want to pay me for private sessions in hypnosis that's different... But for a show... as long as your doing what I ask... and your being FUNNY.. it does not matter if you are "hypnotized" or not. I prefer that you are... its a lot more FUN if you are..for everybody... but if your NOT.. if your just playing along... as long as you follow my suggestions and play by my rules.. you can stay on my stage.
Richard Rumble
Mister Hypnosis
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on
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I love it when somebody just plays along and pretends to be hypnotized. Hypnosis is Imaginative involvement in whatever i am suggesting. Can you imagine what happens to them as they continue to imagine what it would be like to be hypnotized so they can respond better to me?
Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet!
Richard Rumble said:Alan117... Can you define "REAL" for the group?
For instance... Person A says he has been abducted by creatures from another planet and taken to a ship and probed and prodded... and totally BELIEVES it is real...
Person B believes That such a thing is not possible as there is no such thing as ships from other places with funny looking folks who poke and prod...
For whom do we assign "REAL"?
Second example... I am sitting on the hood of a police car explaining to the police man what I saw just happen. I am clear and concise because it happened right in front of ME only min. prior.... I have heard the police man tell his buddies that just rolled up what HE saw when he arrived.... and he arrived RIGHT NEXT TO MY position to see What I saw AS IT WAS HAPPENING.... and his description bears almost NO resemblance to my description. So... Which version was "REAL".
And for full Disclosure... I am a STAGE HYPNOTIST who does clinical work and works with the people who have been on my stage. I have a client who is on the Olympic Team in Vancouver for next week and one who is in the NFL... and after last nights show... I am willing to bet that I have at least two more athletes who will be playing Pro Ball in the next year or two...
What is REAL?
Your Question
"My question is... how much of stage hypnosis is just social compliance, the desire to play along"
My Answer: WHO CARES?!? As long as I am getting the responses I am asking for and the SHOW is ENTERTAINING... THAT IS WHAT I AM BEING PAID FOR. If they want to pay me for private sessions in hypnosis that's different... But for a show... as long as your doing what I ask... and your being FUNNY.. it does not matter if you are "hypnotized" or not. I prefer that you are... its a lot more FUN if you are..for everybody... but if your NOT.. if your just playing along... as long as you follow my suggestions and play by my rules.. you can stay on my stage.
Richard Rumble
Mister Hypnosis
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on -
Richard,
I have to admit, what you said is indeed the bottom line. Thanks for posting it.
John
Richard Rumble said:Alan117... Can you define "REAL" for the group?
For instance... Person A says he has been abducted by creatures from another planet and taken to a ship and probed and prodded... and totally BELIEVES it is real...
Person B believes That such a thing is not possible as there is no such thing as ships from other places with funny looking folks who poke and prod...
For whom do we assign "REAL"?
Second example... I am sitting on the hood of a police car explaining to the police man what I saw just happen. I am clear and concise because it happened right in front of ME only min. prior.... I have heard the police man tell his buddies that just rolled up what HE saw when he arrived.... and he arrived RIGHT NEXT TO MY position to see What I saw AS IT WAS HAPPENING.... and his description bears almost NO resemblance to my description. So... Which version was "REAL".
And for full Disclosure... I am a STAGE HYPNOTIST who does clinical work and works with the people who have been on my stage. I have a client who is on the Olympic Team in Vancouver for next week and one who is in the NFL... and after last nights show... I am willing to bet that I have at least two more athletes who will be playing Pro Ball in the next year or two...
What is REAL?
Your Question
"My question is... how much of stage hypnosis is just social compliance, the desire to play along"
My Answer: WHO CARES?!? As long as I am getting the responses I am asking for and the SHOW is ENTERTAINING... THAT IS WHAT I AM BEING PAID FOR. If they want to pay me for private sessions in hypnosis that's different... But for a show... as long as your doing what I ask... and your being FUNNY.. it does not matter if you are "hypnotized" or not. I prefer that you are... its a lot more FUN if you are..for everybody... but if your NOT.. if your just playing along... as long as you follow my suggestions and play by my rules.. you can stay on my stage.
Richard Rumble
Mister Hypnosis
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Permalink Reply by Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist on -
What a great opportuinty - for an opportunist!
- Can you do tricks?
"Sure. Let me show you something."
- Can you read my mind?
"No. But I can make you think I can. Let me show you something."
- Can you make people do things?
"Sure. You want to do things? Let me show you something."
- Can you read my darker side
"I have no interest in reading your darker side, but hey, let me show you something."
Reg
http://quicknotist.com/
Mohammed Magsi said:I am suffering from this problem. Having the qualifications in hypnotherapy and NLP, I am often asked the questions:
- Can you do tricks?
- Can you read my mind?
- Can you make people do things?
- Can you read my darker side
After helping my children with their issues, I noticed that parents at school either start ignoring me or wouldn't give me eye contact. I wonder why lol.
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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on -
Richard Rumble said:Alan117... Can you define "REAL" for the group?
JUst for your information,
Alan 117 (whio started this thread, has not logged on to hypnothoughs for a few months.
So asking him to define "Real" is unlikely on this occasion to get a response.
LOve and hugs,
Fable
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