A Hypnotic Question...an Experiment!

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Permalink Reply by Ryan Mooney on December 14, 2009 at 4:00pm

I believe that we, both men and women, get our ideas (so to speak) from all kinds of resources that include, but not limited to: Music, television, radio, internet, and movies. I can't even begin to count the amount of "lines" I've taken from movies and incorporated them into "game", (again, so to speak). As a male, I think we use references of movie stars, and their characters. i.e.; Brad Pitt, Clooney, Connery, etc. As for characters, well obviously Bond, Pitt's character in The Ocean movies, Tyler Durden, and my personal favorite, Ryan Reynolds as Van Wilder. I've "stolen" so many lines from that movie that sometimes I wonder how people don't notice. Women do this as well. I think the best example of this is when women ran out to get the "Rachel" haircut when Friends came out.

Now, are we hypnotized to do these things? I think so... to an extent. It's commone knowledge that a person can drop into hypnosis while watching a good movie. I mean Van Wilder didn't have me hypnotized when he said, "Are you stalking me? 'Cause that would be super..." . I just thought it was a cool and funny line, so I've used many times and got many laughs. But the movie itself had me hypnotized because I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Bond seducing all kinds of women, I believe, is just as true in the real world. You were part of the seduction community. There are guys doing this everyday of the week. Are they Bond? No. But I think they may take aspects of Bond and apply to themselves. Were they hypnotized by Bond? I think so, but to an extent.

Do I think people can be hypnotized into thinking they can emulate what they see in a movie? I think so. But I think it's more influence than hypnosis, though.

I don't know if I answered your question the way you wanted. I hope I did, and if not, then maybe I gave you some insight as to how I see the hypnotic elements of the movies.

Happy Trancing, Ry

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on December 14, 2009 at 8:03pm

Very interesting thought there that I overlooked.... you made the comments how not the whole time you watch the movie you claim you have not been in a trance the whole time...

That only the parts that mean something to you are the times you have induce trance....its interesting because what is trance really...some people will claim that we are ALWAYS in some kind of trance, and there are books and philosophers that back up this notion...even consciousness is a state of trance...mhmmm...

Personal I will claim that the whole time you watch a movie you are in some kind of trance, it might come light and go deep...the times you are not are the times when your conscious mind is not focus on the movie or the internal representation the movie is producing...mhmm kinda reminds me what hypnosis is all about....mhmm ;) I am not here to debate this subject....

One thing I like to indulge into is MK-Ultra....Mind Control...haha I have a list of "Mind Control" techniques and symbols in today's popular movies...Got me thinking, during these specific times when these mind control symbols and techniques were presented, does the subject fall into a deeper trance?

This might part of something new and very interesting...I need to add this to my note book! Here is the website I am talking about...its frecken very interesting about what they talk about...

Mind Control in Movies

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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Hanover on December 14, 2009 at 8:56pm

When it comes to love/romance/dating/mating/etc. from a woman's perspective, don't forget that we're continually brainwashed from birth with ridiculous messages about noble princes and knightly rescuers and other such BS. As children, these messages come almost entirely from Disney films (aka the "gateway drugs").

Later, when we get to middle school and The Little Mermaid isn't getting us the high we crave, we graduate to the romance novel (aka "crack").

Every single romance novel is exactly the same. Here they all are, summarized:

Headstrong yet totally virginal heroine meets secretly noble yet outwardly brutish, gruff, emotionally inaccessible (and way more experienced) Knight/Prince/Duke/Earl/King. Smouldering chemistry is thwarted by artificial conflict (societal mores, religion, a previous betrothal, mistaken killing of relatives, etc.) that keeps the two apart. Circumstances thrust them back together. He seduces her, but because she's in love with him, her "baser instincts" are no match for her brain and she submits. Sleepless nights of not-too-graphically-described passion ensue. Circumstances rip them apart (war, misunderstanding, plots by jilted ex-mistresses, etc.) The Hero's basic nature is changed and/or revealed upon his realization of his love for the heroine. Suddenly, he's a sensitive, caring, almost metrosexual in his desire to "share his feelings." He can read the Heroine's mind. He makes an honest woman of her. In the Epilogue, she has his baby. The End.

If not a trance, I think romance novels are supposed to make women swoon with oxytocin and endorphins and other happy chemicals. That's the only possible reason anyone has ever purchased a third romance novel, after discovering that the plots of the first two were exactly the same. (I'm sure there are other ladies in the room who will back me up on this.) Romance novels push anti-reality messages about the ways men and women can and should interact with one another, but we put up with it because of the "contact high."

Just my 2¢.

Kathleen Hanover
Imagine That Creative - Marketing and PR
"The Pretty Goodest Public Relations, 
Copywriting & Marketing Lady on the Planet"

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on December 15, 2009 at 3:15am

THank you Kathleen.

When I talk about hypnosis...the first example I use is reading books!

All of this is all good, Im looking for something I can test or show in a lab...mhmmm.....I hate this part of the research >_/body>

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on December 15, 2009 at 3:44am

Kathleen prompts another lovely idea: the "Princess Syndrome", to which many young women aspire, hoping to catch their prince. Google it for many references. As these Paris Hilton-inspired ladies perch upon their thrones waiting for their romantic saviors, the good potential mates get snatched up by more practical women. Who is hypnotizing whom here?

Kelley

PS ~ Perhaps you need a research assistant, Kevin, because many would find this part of the book project the most interesting!!

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Permalink Reply by Ryan Mooney on December 15, 2009 at 7:10am

Now, this is what I was waiting for, a woman's perspective. Kathleen, you are absolutely correct about the conditioning. And I'm sure that romance novels, chick flicks, and things of the such can be like a drug for women, just as pornography can be a drug for some men. And I also agree that books are probably the most hypnotic of all the mediums. I can very easily get lost in a good book more than I can lose myself in a good movie.

I also like the way you compared romance novels to crack because for those of us guys in the seduction - know we have a little thing we call "chick crack". Romance novels fall into this category, but reciting a book to a woman is just not novel. However, go to your local grocery store or book store and pick up a Cosmopolitan. I swear every other page is some kind of test or quiz. Memorize a couple of the questions and answers, and voila, you have yourself "chick crack".

But, just as you ladies are responsive to romance novels and chick flicks, we men are responsive to Playboy and the annual SI Swimsuit issue. Why? Because we men are visual people. For example, I have a friend, a woman, who read Jenna Jameson's book, (we all know who she is, don't we?). She loved it. She said it was an exclellent read. My friend was able to identify with some of the things that Jenna had gone through in her life. It triggered an emotional response in my friend. She was... Hypnotized by the book. Now, I read the book also. Great read! However, I couldn't identify with some of the things that had happened in her life. The actual text didn't invoke much of an emotional response from me. But, you know what did? That's right... The pictures. The racy pictures of Jenna made my blood boil. I was put into a trance just by looking at the pictures.

We are conditioned at an early age to respond to certain stimuli. All I ask is that the next time you see your boyfriend or husband picking up the SI Swimsuit issue, don't get mad. The model on the cover of the magazine is the same as the buff guy on the cover of your romance novel. Our text is the pictures. Your pictures are the text. It's just about reframing the way you look at.


Who is hypnotizing who? Good question. I think we hypnotize each other. Go to a nightclub or bar and you can see this in action, especially the nightclub. Women get dressed up in revealing clothing, high heels, and make up to go out. Sure, it makes them feel good about themselves and when a person feels good they project it onto others which will get a response. An attractive woman who's dressed nice, smells nice, and has a good attitude will put a man in a trance quicker than Sean Michael Andrews, (Sorry Sean, no offense. Love your work :) But, for a man to put a woman in a trance we have to be a bit more craftier. We need to invoke an emotional response. Hence the explosion of the seduction community in the last ten years. Some of us just didn't get it. When posed with the question, especially from a woman, "Why did you 'learn' how to 'pick-up' women?", I immediately ask, "Why did you spend an hour and a half getting ready to come out tonight?" The intelligent ones will will have the a-ha moment right then and there. The lesser of the group will need some time before they understand.

So, again, who hypnotizes who? Well, women hypnotize men with their looks. They make themselves visually appealing. Men, well for those of us that learned and those who it came natural for, we hypnotize by eliciting emotional responses in women.

If you ever meet a guy that starts using lanuage patterns on you,don't get defensive, he's only trying to make you feel good. He just wants to leave you better than before he met you. And guys, when you see a woman with half of her chest hanging out it's ok to look, only once. Do not stare! Resist the trance! LOL.

Happy Trancing, Ryan
Kelley Woods said:

Kathleen prompts another lovely idea: the "Princess Syndrome", to which many young women aspire, hoping to catch their prince. Google it for many references. As these Paris Hilton-inspired ladies perch upon their thrones waiting for their romantic saviors, the good potential mates get snatched up by more practical women. Who is hypnotizing whom here?

Kelley

PS ~ Perhaps you need a research assistant, Kevin, because many would find this part of the book project the most interesting!!

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on December 15, 2009 at 8:52am

You're right, Ryan...in pointing out the difference in how we attract (or hypnotize) each other. I heard it otherwise phrased as, "Men fall in love via their eyes while women fall in love via their ears". I guess it's all about the modality; learn the right one and you're in like Flynn!

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on December 15, 2009 at 9:48am

Oh wow Thank you very much for all your thoughts, they are quit valuable all I need to do is find the hidden meaning!

Yes Ryan, you hit the hammer on the nail with everything you said about seduction...matter of fact I have these same conversations every day!

Kelley, you are right that there are more then 1 median for someone to get hypnotist...books, tv, movies, other people, magazines...

If you have not done so already, I HIGHLY recommend EVERYONE reading Monsters and Magical Sticks: Or, There's No Such Thing As Hypnosis by Steven Heller...its an amazing book since Stevens thesis is that we claim hypnosis is not real or only comes in small spots, but in reality hypnosis is EVERYWHERE!!!

Mnhmm...Ok bear with me guys...

We are claiming besides movies, there are other medians to be hypnotist to believe in things...what if I get some text, a movie, and something else...and prove that these medians put people in trance...how do you think we can measure that? OR is the question, what forum of median is more hypnotistable...or is it can these medians hypnotist people...mhmmm

Good good, this is going good!

Thanks...keep it comming!

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Permalink Reply by Ryan Mooney on December 15, 2009 at 11:43am

Well, first I think that you should try all mediums, and not stick to just one. See wihich one has the greastest affect. And, I also think that it may depend on the person being hypnotized. As for myself, for instance, I think that reading a text would be more hypnotic than, say, a movie. But that's just how I am. If you'd like to find a frame of reference for movies, and I'm assuming you do mean a traditional Hollywood type movie, I'd would recommend two. 1st: A Clockwork Orange. Older movie, but with some very hypnotic elements to it. 2. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Hypnotic in the way it's shot. Johnny Depp is outstanding as Hunter S. Thompson. I would also recommend watching the original Wizard of Oz with Pink Floyd's Darkside of the Moon. And that's another one. Darkside of the Moon, to me, may be one of the most hypnotic pieces of mainstream rock and roll that I've ever heard. The music is hypnotic, the lyrics are hypnotic, the structure of the album is hypnotic, and there's even a pretty wicked pattern interrupt thrown in there. If you haven't heard it go to my page, I have the whole album on there.

Now, as for proving if a certain medium can put people in trance, I guess that would depend on whether you believe trance is happening all the time, or if it's something that comes and goes. If you believe in the former, then there's your proof, or no proof, depending on how you look at.

When you do this experiment, will it be with subjects that are aware they may be put in trance? Or will it be a surprise? I think if it was a surprise, so to speak, you would have better and more accurate results. But, then you would have to take some pretty strong precautions so you don't "hurt" anyone. With the other way it would be the opposite, less precautions, but (and I believe this) less accurate results as your subjects will be expecting some kind of outcome

Here's an idea: How about a hypnotic text, posed as an advert, inside of a Psychology Today magazine? Have a hidden camera filming. I think that the Psychology Today would garner the type of people you might just be looking for.

Happy Trancing, Ryan

Kevin KonKolics said:

Oh wow Thank you very much for all your thoughts, they are quit valuable all I need to do is find the hidden meaning!

Yes Ryan, you hit the hammer on the nail with everything you said about seduction...matter of fact I have these same conversations every day!

Kelley, you are right that there are more then 1 median for someone to get hypnotist...books, tv, movies, other people, magazines...

If you have not done so already, I HIGHLY recommend EVERYONE reading Monsters and Magical Sticks: Or, There's No Such Thing As Hypnosis by Steven Heller...its an amazing book since Stevens thesis is that we claim hypnosis is not real or only comes in small spots, but in reality hypnosis is EVERYWHERE!!!

Mnhmm...Ok bear with me guys...

We are claiming besides movies, there are other medians to be hypnotist to believe in things...what if I get some text, a movie, and something else...and prove that these medians put people in trance...how do you think we can measure that? OR is the question, what forum of median is more hypnotistable...or is it can these medians hypnotist people...mhmmm

Good good, this is going good!

Thanks...keep it comming!

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on December 15, 2009 at 12:00pm

ahhhh....Dark Side of the Moon....very very amazing film I must say ;), I do own a copy of it as we speak :D!

No, I will not be saying to the test subjects "You will fall into a trance", when you do experience you must keep all the information away from them in sight by telling them will ruin the results...

I was thinking about providing hypnotic text and a filler exercise to the 2 groups...if this is the case, what would the question be? What are we proving if we do this route.

"Can you be Hypnotize through text?" (YES)
"Are people more prone to trance out through text or a movie?"
"Can you "command" people through text" (Have a hypnotic script talking about itching, or a hot plated seat, and see the reaction on the subjects.

How about this.... Group 1: Has a hypnotic script, talking about the idea of trance, this is to prime the mind to induce trance
Group 2: Has some kind of filler activity, reading some text from a magazine

Test: ??

Currently, that is what I am missing...how can we test? Both groups watch Dark side of the moon? Have another text dealing with movie magic or romance and after reading it ask if they truly believe in the text, so much that its part of belief?

Test: Direct some instructions to the subjects and see if they will follow through with them.... The question we are answering for this type of experiment is "After being in direct contact with a hypnotic priming, does it cause subject to fall into trance without authorization to imprint an idea"

With this idea...I can tie it in with the movie/book/all forms of media with hypnosis....

As I am typing this here, what comes to me are Politicians....one of the most hypnotic talkers int he media...mhmmm

How do you guys like it so far?

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Permalink Reply by Ryan Mooney on December 15, 2009 at 12:26pm

I like your ideas so far, with one exception. The politicians. Hypnotic or manipulative speakers? That's up for each person to decide on their own. I hold my own opinions on the subject that I won't get into here because it's not the right place and I don't want to inadvertently offend anyone.

But as for your ideas... Sounds good so far.

Happy Trancing, Ryan

Kevin KonKolics said:

ahhhh....Dark Side of the Moon....very very amazing film I must say ;), I do own a copy of it as we speak :D!

No, I will not be saying to the test subjects "You will fall into a trance", when you do experience you must keep all the information away from them in sight by telling them will ruin the results...

I was thinking about providing hypnotic text and a filler exercise to the 2 groups...if this is the case, what would the question be? What are we proving if we do this route.

"Can you be Hypnotize through text?" (YES)
"Are people more prone to trance out through text or a movie?"
"Can you "command" people through text" (Have a hypnotic script talking about itching, or a hot plated seat, and see the reaction on the subjects.

How about this.... Group 1: Has a hypnotic script, talking about the idea of trance, this is to prime the mind to induce trance
Group 2: Has some kind of filler activity, reading some text from a magazine

Test: ??

Currently, that is what I am missing...how can we test? Both groups watch Dark side of the moon? Have another text dealing with movie magic or romance and after reading it ask if they truly believe in the text, so much that its part of belief?

Test: Direct some instructions to the subjects and see if they will follow through with them.... The question we are answering for this type of experiment is "After being in direct contact with a hypnotic priming, does it cause subject to fall into trance without authorization to imprint an idea"

With this idea...I can tie it in with the movie/book/all forms of media with hypnosis....

As I am typing this here, what comes to me are Politicians....one of the most hypnotic talkers int he media...mhmmm

How do you guys like it so far?

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