ADHD CHILDREN

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on November 2, 2010 at 8:47am

@ Kelly and Bill,

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Kelley Woods said:

Absolutely, Bill. In fact, there have been several cases of ADD/ADHD diagnosed children who have joined our martial arts dojo and within months experienced significant changes. If they stick with it, they are often able to reduce or eliminate the need for medication. One 22 yr old male has been studying karate for over 10 years; at the beginning of his journey he was nearly beyond hope of assimilating into normal society and nowadays he navigates it just fine!
Participation in the martial arts develops the connection between mind and body, increases self discipline to focus and concentrate, requires one to go "within" and yet still consider that which surrounds. For many, it becomes a way of life that provides a constant sense of security and self-confidence, something that's beneficial for everyone.

Kelley



Bill Kennedy said:

Some ADHD children find fluorescent lighting distracting because of the pulses. They are also very sensitive to other environmental cues. I would echo Mark's comment about using those external distractions (e.g. sounds, smells and sights) in the induction if treating with hypnosis.

Karate is also recommended as a complementary therapy for ADHD, right Kelley? http://www.addcoach4u.com/complementarytherapies.html

Bill

Kelley Woods said:

Make sure that your office does not have flourescent lighting. Albeit controversial, there are theories that this type of lighting causes behavioral changes. Natural daylight is best! A session in the park?

Kelley

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on November 2, 2010 at 9:12am

Yes, Michael...I so agree. Sometimes, one has to step into another's belief system in order to guide them away to a healthier one. I reflect that, as a senior black belt in my dojo, I deal with these so-called ADD/ADHD kids in a totally equally manner as I do other kids, as does my sensei. Perhaps they live up to our expectations and this is part of the true secret...

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Permalink Reply by Bill Kennedy on November 2, 2010 at 1:31pm

As has been said elsewhere, branding AD/HD as a disease is problematic. I'd like to distinguish between two schools of thought I have heard quoted. There is one that sees AD/HD children as having delayed brain development. This school of thought sees AD/HD as a disease that can be treated until the child literally grows out of the condition.

There is another school of thought that views adults as having the same issues, hence Adult AD/HD. Some point to a high co-relation between the "disease" and high intelligence / creativity, which would lead me to say that maybe we're talking about a personality type. And maybe, what causes this disease is the fact that we're cramming the proverbial round pegs into square holes. The personality type only becomes a disease when the individual faces challenges (s)he can't handle. What bothers me is that we hold up only the problems and not the honor the whole person. As an individual, I might be willing to work with the impulsiveness (either in myself or someone else) in order to gain the intelligence and creativity.

What I have been wrestling with is how far hypnosis can go in helping someone modify their personality type.

Bill

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Permalink Reply by Nathan Welch on November 2, 2010 at 3:49pm

Hi all
My own experience of working with ADD/ADHD is that most of the children I see prefer to do some kind of physical based activity, I take them fishing, hiking, camping and have set up a farm where they can grow food and work with animals which they love. We have also run several residential for both children and venerable adults with serve physical and mental health issues and had them all going over assault courses climbing walls and taking part in high obstacle activities.
I feel that when we get them involved and totally involved in a more physical based activity they become fully absorbed and then indeed concentrate and become very focused which is the perfect time to deliver some therapy in the shape of stories, embedded suggestions, anchors and some subtle re frames.
The best thing I have found is to get out the therapy room get them outside doing something fun and physical and then subtly apply the therapy while everyone is having fun and enjoying themselves.
It has a double whammy too, for most they don’t feel they have ever achieved and academically despite their intelligence they struggle to flourish in main stream education. So for many this is the first time they feel they have actually achieved something and a little certificate to that fact for them to keep has a very profound effect!
Again these are just my findings and how I work in this area, I have for the last two years worked with on average 5 ADHD children a week in both group and individual settings.
Big Love Nath

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Permalink Reply by Carol Sanders on November 2, 2010 at 8:21pm

My oldest son is 24 and has yet to grow out of ADHD.......I have seen many substance addiciton clients who are / were diagnosed ADD/ADHD......I dont think the majority grow out of it, I believe it continues but then is labele something else...such as bipolar I or II..........


Bill Kennedy said:

As has been said elsewhere, branding AD/HD as a disease is problematic. I'd like to distinguish between two schools of thought I have heard quoted. There is one that sees AD/HD children as having delayed brain development. This school of thought sees AD/HD as a disease that can be treated until the child literally grows out of the condition.

There is another school of thought that views adults as having the same issues, hence Adult AD/HD. Some point to a high co-relation between the "disease" and high intelligence / creativity, which would lead me to say that maybe we're talking about a personality type. And maybe, what causes this disease is the fact that we're cramming the proverbial round pegs into square holes. The personality type only becomes a disease when the individual faces challenges (s)he can't handle. What bothers me is that we hold up only the problems and not the honor the whole person. As an individual, I might be willing to work with the impulsiveness (either in myself or someone else) in order to gain the intelligence and creativity.

What I have been wrestling with is how far hypnosis can go in helping someone modify their personality type.

Bill

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Permalink Reply by Sue Thornton on November 4, 2010 at 7:29am

I've been reading some of your discussions, and I'm interested in learning more. I've also been told and have read that ADHD, Autistic and gifted children may be highly intuitive. Have you noticed this with the children that you've worked with? I am wanting to work more with these wonderful young people and am looking for more information, scripts, etc. Do any of you specialize in this area and how did you go about letting people know?

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Permalink Reply by Bill Kennedy on November 7, 2010 at 8:20am

The DaVinci Method draws on genetic research to say that the DRD4 exon III 7-repeat allele gene predicts ADHD. ADHD may thus be more accurately described as a temperment, rather than a deficiency or a disorder.

Picture a man who is in good shape and can lift a 200 lb weight. If he pours a lot of energy and practice into his weight lifting skills, he could increase that to 300 lbs. Alternatively, he could find a tool (e.g. a pulley) that would allow him to lift the greater weight. Many ADHD people are intelligent. With cognitive training, they can reduce their impulsiveness and increase their focus, or we could find a drug to help.

I'm still at a loss as to where hypnosis fits in. Once the secondary issues of depression or feelings of low self-worth have been taken care of (challenges that can certainly be addressed with hypnosis), what is the role for hypnosis?


Jha'en said:

A good book that pertains more to the adult ADD/ADHD "personality" type is The DaVinci Method. As the title suggests, the author would claim DaVinci was ADD :) He also offers examples of notable contemporary high achiever ADD types.

The method is basically about influencing brainwave states interestingly enough. The upsell is a package of expensive entrainment audios. But there is also other valuable information in the book as to how common dietary and nutritional choices influence brainwave states - meaning which ones make us more crazy and which tend to create more optimal alpha/theta states.

I personally don't think of it as a personality type, since to me personality is more about conditioning and resulting identity. But there are underlying core traits I would consider genetic tendencies that give rise to the characteristics of ADD/ADHD. I believe it's mostly the disruptive chemical influences (wrong foods, drugs, environmental toxins, electromagnetic radiation) that create the "problems"... especially if these influences are encountered early in life before the brain is fully developed. And there is a generational component since toxins (the amount of which we are all subject to has increased exponentially in recent decades) are passed from the mother to child during gestation and after birth through breast feeding.

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Permalink Reply by Gale Glassner Twersky on November 7, 2010 at 12:48pm

I would like to add that the I saw research on Dr. Mercola's site that new, high energy efficiency light bulbs have harmful Electromagnetic Fields that may cause illness.

Kelley Woods said:

Make sure that your office does not have flourescent lighting. Albeit controversial, there are theories that this type of lighting causes behavioral changes. Natural daylight is best! A session in the park?

Kelley

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