ADVICE ON HELPING MY DAUGHTER WHO HAS FALLEN PREY TO SEXUAL SEDUCTION NLP/HYPNOSIS

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on September 10, 2009 at 1:58pm

Bruce.. The horse was dead before it got here,
Hugh

Bruce Taylor C.Ht said:

I think we beat this dead horse enough in my opinion.

Word.

Bruce Taylor

Permalink Reply by Vince Black on September 11, 2009 at 6:39pm

There are 83 posts on this subject and 4 that offer any kind of real advice. There were posts by some people selling products, even anchoring products. Most posts were attacking the poster. Thats called an ad homonym attack. That means the person attacking is full of shit so they resort to attacking the person and avoiding any merits of the situation. I thought this was a hypnosis list where people talked about hypnosis techniques. Half this shit sound like its coming from people that watched to much Dr Phil. Quit selling dvds about hypnosis if you dont know anything about using it to help people. Also if you are ripping people off like that, quit getting involved in all these conversations about ethics until you tell yourself and other people the truth.

Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on September 11, 2009 at 8:29pm

I sell hypnosis DVD and gave excellent advice. I wonder if it will ne followed, the few tea Sheridan came back she never commented on the advice given only the conflict.

Vince Black said:

There are 83 posts on this subject and 4 that offer any kind of real advice. There were posts by some people selling products, even anchoring products. Most posts were attacking the poster. Thats called an ad homonym attack. That means the person attacking is full of shit so they resort to attacking the person and avoiding any merits of the situation. I thought this was a hypnosis list where people talked about hypnosis techniques. Half this shit sound like its coming from people that watched to much Dr Phil. Quit selling dvds about hypnosis if you dont know anything about using it to help people. Also if you are ripping people off like that, quit getting involved in all these conversations about ethics until you tell yourself and other people the truth.

Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on September 11, 2009 at 8:54pm

Vince, one problem with blanket statements without specifics is that they must inherently be read to apply to all persons within a group. Perhaps you could cite a specific example in this thread of a person who sells DVDs on hypnosis demonstrating that they do not know how to help another person with hypnosis - keeping in mind that there are many alternative approaches to this sort of thing and that simple disagreement in premise or approach does not inherently incompetence make. Of the responses to this thread, I only know of a couple folks who actually sell DVDs - myself included. Richard Nongard has already responded to your blanket statement, he's the other DVD seller I recognize right away. Perhaps you could cite specifically where my advice in the single response I gave was inappropriate or unhelpful in general - other than this post which doesn't actually advance the thread on topic, but merely responds to a point raised in your blanket response. I would strongly disagree that most posts were made in attack to Sheridan, although there did seem to be a subthread where antagonism grew between Sheridan and certain, but certainly not all, posters. I would suggest that while one such subthread did seem to devolve into a conclusion based upon something akin to argumentum ad hominem, I would not characterize the bulk of the responses as such and even that seems to have been at least partially based upon a misreading of a post by Hugh that gave a fictional name (personally, I assumed it was fictional from the get-go and as such never made a connection between Hugh's post and the supposed posting of the young man's actual name). Disagreeing with a person's premise is not the same as an ad hominem attack . . . although some folks do indeed take disagreement with their ideas as personal attacks.

Personally, I have not seen anything in either the original post or in Sheridan's followups to indicate that her daughter is a victim of NLP or hypnotic seduction. The symptoms are similar enough to many cases of plain ol' everyday heartbreak . . . plenty of folks end up feeling this way without being hypnotized into the feelings.

This disagreement on the premise of the thread (see the discussion title) does not invalidate that the young woman needs help. Quite a number of folks gave very good advice on possible alternative approaches.

Personally, I still feel that Sheridan needs to play the role of unconditionally loving mother here and not as hypnotherapist and that any intervention needs to be at her daughter's request and with another changeworker, preferably one who is familiar with cases of emotional dependence and perhaps abuse if that is indeed the nature of the toxicity of the relationship (we don't have any specific details on this).

This is, of course, in my opinion.

All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on September 11, 2009 at 11:07pm

Dear Sheriden, I just want to add my final response and leave it as is...

First of all, having a great Intuition or not having a great intuition, we all human, and we all make mistakes, we all have our own ability to understand certain information in a different way, well, I am raising my hand, I am one of them, guilty as charged... and It's hard to believe that just a simple truths of mis-conception or mis-communication can reinforce some negative worlds or attacks.

This is for Shariden the real one or not the real one :), really, It does not matter, again I apologies If I hurt you, maybe I become a little playful, since I took the meaning behind the accusation of hypnosis and NLP in to my heart and become defensive to what you suggested, especially when it sounded negative, when you implied that it had a negative impact on your daughter, I honestly believeed that it did not, and I still feel this way, I am also in no place to convince you that I am right or wrong, since It is up to you to trust what we understand and know about hypnosis or NLP seduction or not, I like to think that I speak only from experience...

Just think about it, If that was true, I would have all the hot guys strictly for me lol... therefore their is no such a thing, and yes their are seduction tools and communication patterns, but it meant to help the person to attract a good looking partner, not for the purpose of hurting them... Usually this type of guys who take this type of training would be the one who have no self esteem or confidence, perhaps even being shy to date beautiful women...

I hope with this email I am bale to bring back peace, after all, we love being able to reinforce what's positive, aren't we?

And I do recall also giving you some good advices, I believe they are great ones, be their for your daughter love her unconditionally and let her get the help she needs, before she'll knows it, she will realize that being a doormat will not make her happy.

I wish you and your daughter all the best...

Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

Permalink Reply by Vince Black on September 12, 2009 at 12:16am

I have to ask you Richard, why do you think that it would be better to send this girl to a battered women's type of thing over using hypnosis with her? Maybe your suggestion is well founded but I do not see it. I think part of the problem was that this Girl did not want to leave this situation so I do not see how that would work.

I would also not trust my Daughter to a counselor that I don't know when I have 50 different ways to help her myself. That is me. I would not let her suffer for 60 days and take a look and lets see attitude. I may be in a unique situation that I know how to use this stuff well enough to get results often times in 20 minutes. One way is through the use of anchors.

Why would you not use anchors. I believe that you have a video out on anchoring. I guess it is important that one knows what to anchor and how to collapse those anchors, or how to build a chain to pop some one out of a loop of less than useful behavior like that. I am curious to why you would not use that tool.

I am very curious to know, being as involved with hypnosis as you obviously are why you would totally set it aside in favor of an abused womans shelter?
Also why would you listen to Ross Jeffries with your kids? To me that is a very poor example of artful persuasion or hypnosis. Crude to say the least.

I gather your position is that only people with low ego strength can be persuaded covertly. From my direct experience that is not in the least bit true.
I know 2 Doctors and a handful of others, who were all very dynamic and sophisticated people that were leaders fall into a highly manipulative situation. One 25 year old woman that was very well educated was aiding and abetting in crimes where she had never done anything of the sort before and was left flabbergasted after the chickens came home to roost. I staunchly believe that you are wrong about this ego strength thing based on what I have seen.

Lastly do you really believe that it is totally outside the realm of possibility that this guy did hook her with a little nlp or hypnosis? I am gathering that you think that couldn't be done but do not know that for sure.

I am looking forward to your reply.

With all due respect, Vince

Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on September 12, 2009 at 12:49am

Hello Vince,

This question is a little personal, nothing to do with the discussion but with your response.
May I ask, why are you so angry?

I could be wrong, but you said "Most posts were attacking the poster" and here you are attacking and questioning the other hypnotherapist advice? You know, I thought also that place was a hypnosis list where people talked about hypnosis techniques and helped support each other, I didn't think it will be a place to question other experts ability and or knowledge?

Do you mind explaining that to me please?

Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht.

Permalink Reply by Vince Black on September 12, 2009 at 4:20am

I am not angry. What is wrong with questioning other peoples advice? Is there something wrong with spirited debate?

Some people on this list may or may not be experts. I don't know that. I will always challenge anyone who claims to be an expert. Being frank and direct has nothing to do with being angry.

Vince.


Doreen Cohanim C.Ht said:

Hello Vince,

This question is a little personal, nothing to do with the discussion but with your response.
May I ask, why are you so angry?

I could be wrong, but you said "Most posts were attacking the poster" and here you are attacking and questioning the other hypnotherapist advice? You know, I thought also that place was a hypnosis list where people talked about hypnosis techniques and helped support each other, I didn't think it will be a place to question other experts ability and or knowledge?

Do you mind explaining that to me please?

Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht.

Permalink Reply by Vince Black on September 12, 2009 at 4:41am

What you are saying here is not accurate. The way that you are testing and evaluating information here is not valid. Just because you don't have all the hot guys to yourself does not mean that one guy could not use Nlp and hypnosis and cause a situation like the one with Sheridans Daughter to occur.

A hammer is meant to pound nails. That doesn't mean you can't hit someone with it. You said you were defensive because you thought someone was criticizing hypnosis and Nlp. So what if someone said that? It is just a tool that can be abused like any other tool. You put these answers out on this list based upon what feels good or bad to you emotionally and not upon facts.
Just because you are unaware of something or it doesn't feel right or sound right does not make that thing any more or less true.

Vince.





Just think about it, If that was true, I would have all the hot guys strictly for me lol... therefore their is no such a thing, and yes their are seduction tools and communication patterns, but it meant to help the person to attract a good looking partner, not for the purpose of hurting them... Usually this type of guys who take this type of training would be the one who have no self esteem or confidence, perhaps even being shy to date beautiful women...

Permalink Reply by Scott Sandland on September 12, 2009 at 8:38am

Okay People-

This thread has clearly been devolving into something off topic for a while. I'm going to close this discussion and encourage us to move on. Should you wish to continue your side conversations, you can take them to private messages.

Thanks,

Scott Sandland

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