Age Regression Question

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Permalink Reply by Craig Homonnay on November 28, 2009 at 3:18pm

Hi Sue
There are many different ways to do AR some are very gentle (my prefered method )
With out meeting your client it is hard to really give you advice on where to go from here .....I usually will talk to them about how people use food to distract from feelings they dont like ...and how the feeling returns when they stop distracting ...so then they eat again ....to distract from this feeling ...and this cycle over time turns to frustration ....because the food is not solving the problem .....but as they become even more frustrated ...they distract from this feeling ..again with food ....which helps them for a short time...but does not takeaway the cause of their over eating ...which is ..the feeling they dont like .....and if this goes on long enough ..the mind body will shut down .....ie depression ....a feeling of just giving up ....whats the use ?......
The cause of this symptom (the overeating) is the FEELING she is trying to self medicate from with food
you need to find out what is causing her to feel this way .....I explain that " it is ok to feel your feelings .....because something happened to you to make you feel this way" I then get her to close her eyes and describe the feeling ...how does it feel ?...where do you feel it in your body ? is it a good feeling or a bad feeling? ..etc...then ask What does this feeling remind you of ?............this will usually start a regression back to an event where someone hurt her .....or where she feels guilty about hurting some one ......and this is where I would start my work .....useing your skills to release the emotional pressure ....release the Anger ,Guilt ,Fear etc ...and get some clarity so that she can see the good in the event and forgive the offenders and herself ....and start to feel better ....when you have done this ....and you have taken the emotional charge away from this event you can go to earlier times she felt this way .....slowly , gently clearing out all of the negative emotions untill you reach the ISE ( the very first event that caused this feeling)
Always installing Love and acceptance of themselves ...just the way they are ...(inner child work etc)
The key is to get them to love and accept themselves just the way they are ......and let go of the past ....
AR and release work is not really something you can learn from a book ...or a 2 week course...( which is why so many on here have trouble using it )
but a good start would be Cal Banyans 5-PATH course ......and find a good Mentor to help you when you get stuck :-)

Craig

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on November 28, 2009 at 8:02pm

Sue,
I would be happy to share techniques with you, if interested, drop me an email :)

John

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Permalink Reply by Ricky Strode on November 28, 2009 at 8:55pm

Pesonaly you don't have to do anykind of regression that really just draws out the session and actually makes it harder on you and them. Their unconcious knows what stands between x,y and z so state specifically what they want the outcome to be and work backwards to have y and x, because you already have z by then. Want to know more ? If so you know what to do.

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on November 29, 2009 at 8:28pm

Some of the clients some of the time WILL need regression in order to discover and release the core cause, otherwise the results might be either temporary or partial.

Roy Hunter, M.S., FAPHP
www.royhunter.com
PS: If you are not trained in regression, don't criticize those who use it.

ricky strode said:

Pesonaly you don't have to do anykind of regression that really just draws out the session and actually makes it harder on you and them. Their unconcious knows what stands between x,y and z so state specifically what they want the outcome to be and work backwards to have y and x, because you already have z by then. Want to know more ? If so you know what to do.

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Permalink Reply by Dennis Atkinson on January 17, 2010 at 2:38pm

To answer your question, I think contacting Roy Hunter (royhunter.com) is an excellent place to start in gaining an understanding of regression technique. He has some excellent materials on this subject. Katherine Zimmerman, California Hypnotherapy Academy (trancetime.com) is also an excellent source, as is Melissa Roth, Alabama Hypnotherapy.

I think you are correct in gaining a good understanding of regression before attempting it with a client. It is a very powerful tool, but one needs to know how to handle what may come up during regression, especially if the client has an abreaction. There are different theories on abreactions; I am of the belief they are a breakthrough for the client and useful exploring ... others are of the belief you should avoid working with them.

I virtually always use regression at some point with weight release clients. Gaining an understanding of our relationship with food is essential in regaining our personal control over our eating habits.

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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on January 17, 2010 at 5:50pm

Most folks who currently do age regression do not limit themselves to AR alone but are performing Hypnoanalysis which combines AR with Parts Therapy with a number of Gestalt and Forgiveness techniques and the like.

Solid information on regression technique can be found in Dave Elman's HYPNOTHERAPY book, although most folks who currently teach regression have also added some of the gestalt additions that Gil Boyne's TRANSFORMING THERAPY describes. Cal Banyan & Jerry Kein's book is excellent and anything and everything by Roy Hunter is a MUST HAVE.

Get the books and devour them.

Hunter, Kein, Banyan, and Boyne all have DVDs.

If you can take a live course with any of those folks, do so. Roy's work with PARTS THERAPY is very very much worth learning and has become a staple of hypno-analysis.

All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on January 17, 2010 at 7:24pm

There is no best technique -- Sue. But, hey, that's just my opinion.

FYI- I agree with John, Ricky, Adrian and Brian. I disagree with Roy and Aleksonder and again it's just my opinion.

1. John R. advised against addressing self-sabotage in your next session, suggesting that it was an assumption on your part. I agree.

My advice is: Believe in your clients! Imagine that they are doing their best and believe that you have the skills and abilities to help them reach and maintain their goals. Just my opinion- mind you...

I agree with Ricky and Adrian -- AR is not necessary -
I think Brian gave you excellent advice. If you are interested in adding AR to your toolbox I recommend adding Boyne-enhanced-AR and/or Hunter-enchanced-AR. Both approaches can be very effective! Once again, just my opinion --

Roy Hunter is an outstanding hypnosis professional and educator and I consider him a friend. Roy and I have as they say history, in that we have been teaching at the same conferences for decades and we have both enjoyed watching each other grow and distinguish ourselves in the field. The only problem that I have with Roy is that he sometimes forgets to say "In my opinion" or "I believe"

Roy posted: "Some of the clients some of the time WILL need regression in order to discover and release the core cause, otherwise the results might be either temporary or partial."

I disagree with Roy's opinion and belief that some clients WILL need regression. I do believe that for some clients -Enhanced RA is the best way to go in terms of their world views and culture, but there are many ways to stroke a cat, but first you must be naturally able to or learn how to earn the clients trust. After that it's different strokes for different folks.

Back to your client- If I read you correctly - You are not sure if you are ready to use RA with this client.

Here is an alternative -

Intro: if ever a client doesn't get a desired result you have to give them a reason to continue believing that you can help them--
It could be as simple as telling her - Every one responds to hypnosis in their own way and some people seem to need to take a step back, before moving forward and reaching and maintaing their goals - Recommend a several session program that will
help her think and feel in ways that promote feeling and looking great-

Meet your clients expectation for a hypnotic experience using your induction of choice for this client and
1. Focus the client's attention on the benefits and advantages of feeling and looking great
2. Teach the client to relax more and stress less
3. Motivate the client to eat less and exercise more -- (Benefits and Advantages of Feeling and Looking Great!)
And all of this moves us into the realm of helping clients discover that there is a direct relationship between their health and weight and the choices they make.
Hint- I would check out the nutritional counselors in my hood and identify the ones who are hypno-friendly and recommend that she forget about dieting and put her energy on developing a healthy diet while you support her hypnotically--

If you learn anything from this thread, I hope it is that you are too smart to pay attention to any one who tells you that there is only one way to help clients... Again, just my opinion...

Warmest regards,

Michael E.

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Permalink Reply by Niki on January 20, 2010 at 10:27am

Michael,

Thank you for the great response. Your email made so much sense to me. I appreciate the detail in your answers. Some of the responses can be distracting, however, I appreciate everyone and it is interesting to see everyone's views.



Michael Ellner said:

There is no best technique -- Sue. But, hey, that's just my opinion.

FYI- I agree with John, Ricky, Adrian and Brian. I disagree with Roy and Aleksonder and again it's just my opinion.

1. John R. advised against addressing self-sabotage in your next session, suggesting that it was an assumption on your part. I agree.

My advice is: Believe in your clients! Imagine that they are doing their best and believe that you have the skills and abilities to help them reach and maintain their goals. Just my opinion- mind you...

I agree with Ricky and Adrian -- AR is not necessary -
I think Brian gave you excellent advice. If you are interested in adding AR to your toolbox I recommend adding Boyne-enhanced-AR and/or Hunter-enchanced-AR. Both approaches can be very effective! Once again, just my opinion --

Roy Hunter is an outstanding hypnosis professional and educator and I consider him a friend. Roy and I have as they say history, in that we have been teaching at the same conferences for decades and we have both enjoyed watching each other grow and distinguish ourselves in the field. The only problem that I have with Roy is that he sometimes forgets to say "In my opinion" or "I believe"

Roy posted: "Some of the clients some of the time WILL need regression in order to discover and release the core cause, otherwise the results might be either temporary or partial."

I disagree with Roy's opinion and belief that some clients WILL need regression. I do believe that for some clients -Enhanced RA is the best way to go in terms of their world views and culture, but there are many ways to stroke a cat, but first you must be naturally able to or learn how to earn the clients trust. After that it's different strokes for different folks.

Back to your client- If I read you correctly - You are not sure if you are ready to use RA with this client.

Here is an alternative -

Intro: if ever a client doesn't get a desired result you have to give them a reason to continue believing that you can help them--
It could be as simple as telling her - Every one responds to hypnosis in their own way and some people seem to need to take a step back, before moving forward and reaching and maintaing their goals - Recommend a several session program that will
help her think and feel in ways that promote feeling and looking great-

Meet your clients expectation for a hypnotic experience using your induction of choice for this client and
1. Focus the client's attention on the benefits and advantages of feeling and looking great
2. Teach the client to relax more and stress less
3. Motivate the client to eat less and exercise more -- (Benefits and Advantages of Feeling and Looking Great!)
And all of this moves us into the realm of helping clients discover that there is a direct relationship between their health and weight and the choices they make.
Hint- I would check out the nutritional counselors in my hood and identify the ones who are hypno-friendly and recommend that she forget about dieting and put her energy on developing a healthy diet while you support her hypnotically--

If you learn anything from this thread, I hope it is that you are too smart to pay attention to any one who tells you that there is only one way to help clients... Again, just my opinion...

Warmest regards,

Michael E.

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on January 21, 2010 at 9:45pm

Hi Adrian,

While I do agree that the client/therapist relationship is important, I have worked with a number of clients over the years who failed to enjoy lasting results from NLP and/or suggestion and scripts...because the core cause remained buried in the subconscious. This is especially true for analytical clients who need deep trance states in order to better access the subconscious.

Also, you might benefit from reading the discussion on "Keep it professional and courteous." My reason for stating this is because of your quote: "Well - I could suggest that you re-read my post (so you can address what I actually wrote) rather than fixating on winning an imaginary message-board pissing contest via straw-man fallacy and flannel... Most unregal, doctor... ;-)

In other words, please tone down the personal criticism.

Roy Hunter

Adrian Tannock said:

Hiya Alexsonder,

Apologies - I certainly would not want you to feel unwelcome. It seemed to me that our debate was simply a bit spicy...

Lets try again.

I think you're saying: you have to address the root cause of a person's presenting issues in order for a person to fully and truly heal, and that direct suggestion wouldn't be enough to do that due to negative forcing functions (which require some form of associated regression-to-cause / affect ventilation to remove). Anything else is 'band-aid' therapy and the effects typically temporary.

(This is a position taken by many on this board, especially those who've trained with Kein / Banyan etc. I can relate to it, in that I have had cases - many cases, where this has seemed true).

However, not always true. So, I'm simply saying in return that non-regressive techniques can be highly effective when it comes to removing "negative forcing functions" in order to bring about true healing. True healing, not "band-aid therapy". Essentially, there is more than one way to skin a cat, and hypnos (in my opinion) should avoid ossification at all costs.

My point isn't a million miles away from yours, but I guess it is different. Again apologies if I pissed you off. I hope that we can now debate the points and I'll play nice as it were, we're here to learn after all.

Cheers,

Adrian

PS: I find it hard to place myself as either idealist or realist. I can see how you're an idealist, but it seems that John is in fact just a miserablist! ;-)

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on January 22, 2010 at 9:55am

Thank you for debating the issue in a more diplomatic manner.

I certainly agree that regression to core cause is NOT a panacea for all problems; but I do find it very beneficial for certain types of issues. My professional opinion is that there is no technique that is good enough to help all the clients all the time, and there are numerous techniques to choose from. There are ways of helping a client release a cause without either regression or parts...and a prime example is contained in a script written by the late Arthur Winkler. Paul Durbin has it posted on his website:
http://www.durbinhypnosis.com/script.htm#CONTENTS (select #23)

Note that I occasionally use this script with excellent results.

Roy

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on January 22, 2010 at 3:17pm

Hi Adrian,

The script at Paul's site is item #23: "HAND TO FACE FOR THERAPY."
I'm not sure why the title is in all caps, but I've used the script (often slightly modified) numerous times over the years.
The link is:
http://www.durbinhypnosis.com/script.htm#CONTENTS

Best wishes,
Roy

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Permalink Reply by AJ on January 22, 2010 at 5:58pm

Hello Sue,

"A hypnotic diet, without the removal of causative fear, may provide only temporary help. The doctors who recognize the problem are remarkably successful with obesity cases, and some of them actually specialize in obesity problems. Excessive overweight is often caused by strong emotional conflicts which can be resolved...utilizing hypnoanalysis."
D. Elman, pg. 167, Hypnotherapy ©1964

Getting to the source of your client's presenting issue is of concern here. You can learn a variety of methods to do this. Consider exploring and learning in addition to regression therapy methods, both: parts therapy procedures and energy clearing techniques. That will give you a well-rounded background for dealing with a variety of circumstances.

All the best,

Doc Regal
regalhypnosis.com

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