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Anxiety Attacks
I've worked with a client who has anxiety attacks with a referral from her Doctor. When she came here we did the session and she came out of it saying she knew she was in hypnosis cause she could see herself spinning at times. We had talked about how many sessions she would need and I had said I would do one and then she could decide if she needed more. Well she called today and said she feels a little bit of anxiety is still there. Now she has stated she doesn't feel like she was in hypnosis. Any suggestions on what to do for the next session would be great.
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on -
Hi jagi,
Or you could use an intervention like the blow out.
The blow out is a technique that has the subject feed the anxiety feeling back on itself, thus amplifying it enough that it over-inflates it like a balloon and then it pops and is gone. This is a one session technique.
The reason it works is because we have a finite limit as to how much of a feeling we can experience, and when that point gets exceeded, the feeling causing it self-destructs. The reactive mind sees the reaction as destroyed, and no longer provides that reaction to the trigger that causes the feeling.
The technique requires only light trance to start with (like so many techniques, the trance deepens as they use it).
Have a pre-talk that explains the concept to the subject and ask them if they are willing to experience the anxiety one more time, if they can be rid of it forever. Explain that it is an opportunity for some pay back (revenge) against the anxiety feeling. You will guide them to literally force feed the anxiety back on itself, and they must continue to amplify it until it finally pops, and it will.
After establishing a light trance, have them try to experience the feeling again and rate it on a scale of one to 10. Then make the feeling go weaker, then stronger, to make sure you have control of it. (If starting at a 6...have them make it a 5...then when a 5...have them make it a 7 etc). Once you have control, just having them adjust the level continually higher. Stress that the must get mad at the anxiety, and amplify it with extreme prejudice. Continue to amplify..100..500..1000 time stronger... until it pops. Just when the subject thinks they can't take anymore.. that's when it pops. Then it will be gone for good.
I hope this helps you
John
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Permalink Reply by Jagi Egnell on -
Thank you for the great input...will put into play both of these suggestions for our next session (she wants to come back to me, which I hope means that rapport between us has developed) as they both make great sense. Once again thank you for the information.
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Permalink Reply by Pattie Freeman CH.t, MST on -
John,
I like that techique I had used that one before and haven't in awhile but it is effective and it is a one session type of relief.
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on
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Glad you found it useful.
Pattie Freeman Ch.t, said:John,
I like that techique I had used that one before and haven't in awhile but it is effective and it is a one session type of relief.
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Permalink Reply by Jagi Egnell on
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Hi John,
I did the anxiety intervention blow out. She has just called me back and stated that for the last week she felt no anxiety, an then she noticed she went off her diet and gained weight then all anxiety came back. Any suggestions would be great. By the way your book about Trance is great.
many thanks,
Jagi Egnell
John Cleesattel said:Hi jagi,
Or you could use an intervention like the blow out.
The blow out is a technique that has the subject feed the anxiety feeling back on itself, thus amplifying it enough that it over-inflates it like a balloon and then it pops and is gone. This is a one session technique.
The reason it works is because we have a finite limit as to how much of a feeling we can experience, and when that point gets exceeded, the feeling causing it self-destructs. The reactive mind sees the reaction as destroyed, and no longer provides that reaction to the trigger that causes the feeling.
The technique requires only light trance to start with (like so many techniques, the trance deepens as they use it).
Have a pre-talk that explains the concept to the subject and ask them if they are willing to experience the anxiety one more time, if they can be rid of it forever. Explain that it is an opportunity for some pay back (revenge) against the anxiety feeling. You will guide them to literally force feed the anxiety back on itself, and they must continue to amplify it until it finally pops, and it will.
After establishing a light trance, have them try to experience the feeling again and rate it on a scale of one to 10. Then make the feeling go weaker, then stronger, to make sure you have control of it. (If starting at a 6...have them make it a 5...then when a 5...have them make it a 7 etc). Once you have control, just having them adjust the level continually higher. Stress that the must get mad at the anxiety, and amplify it with extreme prejudice. Continue to amplify..100..500..1000 time stronger... until it pops. Just when the subject thinks they can't take anymore.. that's when it pops. Then it will be gone for good.
I hope this helps you
John
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Permalink Reply by Walt Potter on
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John,
Does this work with fear?
Walt
John Cleesattel said:Hi jagi,
Or you could use an intervention like the blow out.
The blow out is a technique that has the subject feed the anxiety feeling back on itself, thus amplifying it enough that it over-inflates it like a balloon and then it pops and is gone. This is a one session technique.
The reason it works is because we have a finite limit as to how much of a feeling we can experience, and when that point gets exceeded, the feeling causing it self-destructs. The reactive mind sees the reaction as destroyed, and no longer provides that reaction to the trigger that causes the feeling.
The technique requires only light trance to start with (like so many techniques, the trance deepens as they use it).
Have a pre-talk that explains the concept to the subject and ask them if they are willing to experience the anxiety one more time, if they can be rid of it forever. Explain that it is an opportunity for some pay back (revenge) against the anxiety feeling. You will guide them to literally force feed the anxiety back on itself, and they must continue to amplify it until it finally pops, and it will.
After establishing a light trance, have them try to experience the feeling again and rate it on a scale of one to 10. Then make the feeling go weaker, then stronger, to make sure you have control of it. (If starting at a 6...have them make it a 5...then when a 5...have them make it a 7 etc). Once you have control, just having them adjust the level continually higher. Stress that the must get mad at the anxiety, and amplify it with extreme prejudice. Continue to amplify..100..500..1000 time stronger... until it pops. Just when the subject thinks they can't take anymore.. that's when it pops. Then it will be gone for good.
I hope this helps you
John
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on
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Walt,
Anxiety is a form of fear. It is stress that has reached it's limits of control and starts passing over into survival mode causing panic attacks to kick in (hyperventilating, dizziness, feeling like you are going to fall over)
and if you don't realize it is caused by anxiety, a more intense fear that something is seriously wrong forms.
So to answer your question, yes it would work with a fear. It is in the desensitization category, where the cause of the fear (the fear reaction trigger) is not addressed, but just how we experience the symptoms.
John
Walt Potter said:John,
Does this work with fear? Walt John Cleesattel said:Hi jagi,
Or you could use an intervention like the blow out.
The blow out is a technique that has the subject feed the anxiety feeling back on itself, thus amplifying it enough that it over-inflates it like a balloon and then it pops and is gone. This is a one session technique. The reason it works is because we have a finite limit as to how much of a feeling we can experience, and when that point gets exceeded, the feeling causing it self-destructs. The reactive mind sees the reaction as destroyed, and no longer provides that reaction to the trigger that causes the feeling.
The technique requires only light trance to start with (like so many techniques, the trance deepens as they use it).
Have a pre-talk that explains the concept to the subject and ask them if they are willing to experience the anxiety one more time, if they can be rid of it forever. Explain that it is an opportunity for some pay back (revenge) against the anxiety feeling. You will guide them to literally force feed the anxiety back on itself, and they must continue to amplify it until it finally pops, and it will.
After establishing a light trance, have them try to experience the feeling again and rate it on a scale of one to 10. Then make the feeling go weaker, then stronger, to make sure you have control of it. (If starting at a 6...have them make it a 5...then when a 5...have them make it a 7 etc). Once you have control, just having them adjust the level continually higher. Stress that the must get mad at the anxiety, and amplify it with extreme prejudice. Continue to amplify..100..500..1000 time stronger... until it pops. Just when the subject thinks they can't take anymore.. that's when it pops. Then it will be gone for good.
I hope this helps you
John
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on
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She "noticed" that she went off her diet and gained weight? and that brought back the anxiety? What was her first clue?
Forgive me Jagi... something just doesn't sound quite right here. On the small chance that she has a legitimate issue, I would recommend doing parts therapy to see what the problem is. Once you find that out it should give you direction.
Glad you liked my book :)
John
jagi egnell M.H.C.Ht said:Hi John,
I did the anxiety intervention blow out. She has just called me back and stated that for the last week she felt no anxiety, an then she noticed she went off her diet and gained weight then all anxiety came back. Any suggestions would be great. By the way your book about Trance is great.
many thanks,
Jagi Egnell
John Cleesattel said:Hi jagi,
Or you could use an intervention like the blow out.
The blow out is a technique that has the subject feed the anxiety feeling back on itself, thus amplifying it enough that it over-inflates it like a balloon and then it pops and is gone. This is a one session technique.
The reason it works is because we have a finite limit as to how much of a feeling we can experience, and when that point gets exceeded, the feeling causing it self-destructs. The reactive mind sees the reaction as destroyed, and no longer provides that reaction to the trigger that causes the feeling.
The technique requires only light trance to start with (like so many techniques, the trance deepens as they use it).
Have a pre-talk that explains the concept to the subject and ask them if they are willing to experience the anxiety one more time, if they can be rid of it forever. Explain that it is an opportunity for some pay back (revenge) against the anxiety feeling. You will guide them to literally force feed the anxiety back on itself, and they must continue to amplify it until it finally pops, and it will.
After establishing a light trance, have them try to experience the feeling again and rate it on a scale of one to 10. Then make the feeling go weaker, then stronger, to make sure you have control of it. (If starting at a 6...have them make it a 5...then when a 5...have them make it a 7 etc). Once you have control, just having them adjust the level continually higher. Stress that the must get mad at the anxiety, and amplify it with extreme prejudice. Continue to amplify..100..500..1000 time stronger... until it pops. Just when the subject thinks they can't take anymore.. that's when it pops. Then it will be gone for good.
I hope this helps you
John
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Permalink Reply by Pattie Freeman CH.t, MST on
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I also was sent a client for a medical doctor and he had .anxiety over hos divorce and he had uncontrolled crying. Not to have a long history on this guy it took about 3 sessions and he felt better and stop the crying but he couldnt figure why he is still having this gut stressful feeling. Oh I forgot to tell you that he had brought his so call partner with him and he had been divorced about 1 year and off of work medically for 6 months.
I had done parts therapy and some regression also he seems better but found the anxiery was coming from the girlfriend that he felt obligated to for taking care and being with him..so the situation was figured out and he is on his way to a positive results.
Maybe your client has a situatoion and maybe parts therapy can help...hope this helps..
Pattie
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John,
Just can imagine doing this with a client. Driving someone into a very high state of fear/anxiety sounds/feels really bad to me. How does being in a state of hypnosis help one with the experience of induced, high states of fear/anxiety?
If I were afraid of snakes putting me into a snake pit would drive my fear to extreme heights. When that balloon pops I'm not sure where I would be. Inducing this via hypnosis sounds just as bad.
I'd rather see other methods.
Walt
John Cleesattel said:Walt,
Anxiety is a form of fear. It is stress that has reached it's limits of control and starts passing over into survival mode causing panic attacks to kick in (hyperventilating, dizziness, feeling like you are going to fall over)
and if you don't realize it is caused by anxiety, a more intense fear that something is seriously wrong forms.
So to answer your question, yes it would work with a fear. It is in the desensitization category, where the cause of the fear (the fear reaction trigger) is not addressed, but just how we experience the symptoms.
John
Walt Potter said:John,
Does this work with fear? Walt John Cleesattel said:Hi jagi,
Or you could use an intervention like the blow out.
The blow out is a technique that has the subject feed the anxiety feeling back on itself, thus amplifying it enough that it over-inflates it like a balloon and then it pops and is gone. This is a one session technique. The reason it works is because we have a finite limit as to how much of a feeling we can experience, and when that point gets exceeded, the feeling causing it self-destructs. The reactive mind sees the reaction as destroyed, and no longer provides that reaction to the trigger that causes the feeling.
The technique requires only light trance to start with (like so many techniques, the trance deepens as they use it).
Have a pre-talk that explains the concept to the subject and ask them if they are willing to experience the anxiety one more time, if they can be rid of it forever. Explain that it is an opportunity for some pay back (revenge) against the anxiety feeling. You will guide them to literally force feed the anxiety back on itself, and they must continue to amplify it until it finally pops, and it will.
After establishing a light trance, have them try to experience the feeling again and rate it on a scale of one to 10. Then make the feeling go weaker, then stronger, to make sure you have control of it. (If starting at a 6...have them make it a 5...then when a 5...have them make it a 7 etc). Once you have control, just having them adjust the level continually higher. Stress that the must get mad at the anxiety, and amplify it with extreme prejudice. Continue to amplify..100..500..1000 time stronger... until it pops. Just when the subject thinks they can't take anymore.. that's when it pops. Then it will be gone for good.
I hope this helps you
John
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Permalink Reply by Susan French on -
Hi Jagi,
It sounds like you might be struggling with a couple of concepts that I have been struggling with.
It sounds like you are feeling that you should be able to use hypnosis like magic, one session does it all. I was hung up on that for a long time, especially for smoking cessation. While I have learned much technique that has helped me be better at hypnotherapy,. I realized that the concept of "hypnosis works like a magic wand...poof and you're healed" was getting in my way. What I've learned is that it takes what it takes.
I teach all of my clients self-hypnosis in which I include the Yogic or calming breathing technique, which I have written up and posted somewhere here. I think it might be in the Script Bank group. I give my anxiety people this relaxation deep breathing technique to use when they feel the anxiety coming on, assuming that the hypnosis is working but most changes that involve physiology or brain retraining aren't usually completed in one or even two sessions. Giving them control in their present, when their awake, at work, driving, etc., reduces the fear level because it gives them control, even if it does make use of the conscious mind.
You're probably having some doubts about your own effectiveness in inducing trance. You could go back over basics and make sure you're using some convincers and deepeners. Convincers are as good for you in the beginning as they are for the client. At this point, I usually take them so deeply that there's no doubt but I also tell them in front that it's common to be in hypnosis and not recognize it, especially in the beginning.
I also take care in my general hypnosis pretalk to explain that hypnosis is not a mysterious or mystical state. I tell them that hypnosis is what they experience when they "space out" or "get lost in thought" (like driving hypnosis, getting lost in a movie, book or computer hypnosis, etc. Sometimes I tell them to close their eyes, wait a couple of beats and tell them that they are technically already in a light state of hypnosis. If they seem really doubtful, I use Ron Eslinger's juicy lemon convincer (it's not his but he has a good, detailed explanation of it and it kind of lightens the mood a little.)
I take the time to do several deepeners while seeding suggestions as I take them down and then I usually suggest some amnesia. I haven't really used time distortion, but that's also a very good convincer. A couple of my favorite phases is "you can remain alert as you wish or you can just decide to let go and go so much more deeply down" and "you may find, as you go deeper, that your conscious mind just drifts off into the background of your mind so you may hear a word her and miss a word there...that's find". That induces some amnesia but doesn't put you on the line.
When I get them very deep, and it takes them a while to emerge, that's usually convincer enough.
Tell her that different people's experience of hypnosis can be widely variant, but that she will definitely go deeper this time and that (Thanks, Cal Banyan) each session will taker her 10 times more deeply and reinforce by 10 times every suggestion she has taken in. Don't forget to give her a post-hypnotic suggestion for reinducing hypnosis.
Fractionation can be a really good deepener so if you through in amnesia or time distortion, it's usually enough.
My last bastion of defense is that these problems didn't occur overnight and it usually takes a little time for the brain to reprogram or recode responses. Using scaling (on a scale from 0 to 10) is also very helpful both as a convincer, a tangible mark of progress so they become aware of their progress.
Hope that helps.
Susan
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on -
Walt,
When a client is guided into a safe space and helped to dissociate from a painful experience or memory - and given the suggestion they are watching it as if it were happening to some one else -- it creates the space for desensitisizing the experience or memory --
In terms of an alternative -- Ellner's and Barsky's magic hammer is a great way to help clients make peace with their fears...You simply adapt it to fit your client's needs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7xp-hacrwo
Warmest regards,
Michael
Walt Potter said:John,
Just can imagine doing this with a client. Driving someone into a very high state of fear/anxiety sounds/feels really bad to me. How does being in a state of hypnosis help one with the experience of induced, high states of fear/anxiety?
If I were afraid of snakes putting me into a snake pit would drive my fear to extreme heights. When that balloon pops I'm not sure where I would be. Inducing this via hypnosis sounds just as bad.
I'd rather see other methods.
Walt
John Cleesattel said:Walt,
Anxiety is a form of fear. It is stress that has reached it's limits of control and starts passing over into survival mode causing panic attacks to kick in (hyperventilating, dizziness, feeling like you are going to fall over)
and if you don't realize it is caused by anxiety, a more intense fear that something is seriously wrong forms.
So to answer your question, yes it would work with a fear. It is in the desensitization category, where the cause of the fear (the fear reaction trigger) is not addressed, but just how we experience the symptoms.
John
Walt Potter said:John,
Does this work with fear? Walt John Cleesattel said:Hi jagi,
Or you could use an intervention like the blow out.
The blow out is a technique that has the subject feed the anxiety feeling back on itself, thus amplifying it enough that it over-inflates it like a balloon and then it pops and is gone. This is a one session technique. The reason it works is because we have a finite limit as to how much of a feeling we can experience, and when that point gets exceeded, the feeling causing it self-destructs. The reactive mind sees the reaction as destroyed, and no longer provides that reaction to the trigger that causes the feeling.
The technique requires only light trance to start with (like so many techniques, the trance deepens as they use it).
Have a pre-talk that explains the concept to the subject and ask them if they are willing to experience the anxiety one more time, if they can be rid of it forever. Explain that it is an opportunity for some pay back (revenge) against the anxiety feeling. You will guide them to literally force feed the anxiety back on itself, and they must continue to amplify it until it finally pops, and it will.
After establishing a light trance, have them try to experience the feeling again and rate it on a scale of one to 10. Then make the feeling go weaker, then stronger, to make sure you have control of it. (If starting at a 6...have them make it a 5...then when a 5...have them make it a 7 etc). Once you have control, just having them adjust the level continually higher. Stress that the must get mad at the anxiety, and amplify it with extreme prejudice. Continue to amplify..100..500..1000 time stronger... until it pops. Just when the subject thinks they can't take anymore.. that's when it pops. Then it will be gone for good.
I hope this helps you
John
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