Anxiety Attacks

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Permalink Reply by Melanie Parker on February 17, 2010 at 10:10am

There is no way I would ever make a client who already feels petrified when they feel anxiety attacks amplify that feeling even more. I know this is a common psychological technique - to get the person to "face their fears", but I think this practice is appalling. We are hypnotherapists and hopefully have been taught ways to help clients with their issues in a way that feels safe and comfortable for them.

Why not go to the root cause of the anxiety? Have her view it from a distance, like watching a movie, or put the scene in a snowglobe. Something where she can deal with the initial cause of her anxiety while feeling safe and calm. Then she can heal in a positive way.

Melanie
ParkerHypnosis.com
MyMagicalJourney.com

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 17, 2010 at 10:46am

No problem Melanie, as I said earlier in a different post, you have rights to use whatever technique you choose. In this case, the client makes the choice to do it or not. If you think this is just getting the client to face their fears, you are way off. But nevertheless, keep doing what you have been doing then. Ignorance is bliss.

John

Melanie Parker said:

There is no way I would ever make a client who already feels petrified when they feel anxiety attacks amplify that feeling even more. I know this is a common psychological technique - to get the person to "face their fears", but I think this practice is appalling. We are hypnotherapists and hopefully have been taught ways to help clients with their issues in a way that feels safe and comfortable for them.
Why not go to the root cause of the anxiety? Have her view it from a distance, like watching a movie, or put the scene in a snowglobe. Something where she can deal with the initial cause of her anxiety while feeling safe and calm. Then she can heal in a positive way. Melanie
ParkerHypnosis.com
MyMagicalJourney.com

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Permalink Reply by Karl weg on February 19, 2010 at 7:53pm

Hi John,

thanks for your comments. Mmmmh. This is really interesting. So it is a fact, that the brain provides such strong limiting procedures? Thats a cool fact.

I once tried to put my anxiety level kinda high as a posthypnotic suggestion (or however professionals call it). As I was walking on the street, anxiety became so strong, I almost forgot that I installed it.

To give a little contra, I think If I had suggested myself to let the anxiety level get higher continuously...conscience couldn't have helped. Nor any limiting reaction of my brain.

Don't get me wrong but I won't try it out ;D maybe if I am on an adventure trip and trying to get rid of boredom.

Thanks a lot for your inspiration.

Cheers.

John Cleesattel said:

Hi jagi,
Or you could use an intervention like the blow out.

The blow out is a technique that has the subject feed the anxiety feeling back on itself, thus amplifying it enough that it over-inflates it like a balloon and then it pops and is gone. This is a one session technique.

The reason it works is because we have a finite limit as to how much of a feeling we can experience, and when that point gets exceeded, the feeling causing it self-destructs. The reactive mind sees the reaction as destroyed, and no longer provides that reaction to the trigger that causes the feeling.

The technique requires only light trance to start with (like so many techniques, the trance deepens as they use it).
Have a pre-talk that explains the concept to the subject and ask them if they are willing to experience the anxiety one more time, if they can be rid of it forever. Explain that it is an opportunity for some pay back (revenge) against the anxiety feeling. You will guide them to literally force feed the anxiety back on itself, and they must continue to amplify it until it finally pops, and it will.

After establishing a light trance, have them try to experience the feeling again and rate it on a scale of one to 10. Then make the feeling go weaker, then stronger, to make sure you have control of it. (If starting at a 6...have them make it a 5...then when a 5...have them make it a 7 etc). Once you have control, just having them adjust the level continually higher. Stress that the must get mad at the anxiety, and amplify it with extreme prejudice. Continue to amplify..100..500..1000 time stronger... until it pops. Just when the subject thinks they can't take anymore.. that's when it pops. Then it will be gone for good.

I hope this helps you
John

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 19, 2010 at 7:58pm

Karl,
This is not the type of thing to do with self-hypnosis.

John

Karl weg said:

Hi John,

thanks for your comments. Mmmmh. This is really interesting. So it is a fact, that the brain provides such strong limiting procedures? Thats a cool fact.

I once tried to put my anxiety level kinda high as a posthypnotic suggestion (or however professionals call it). As I was walking on the street, anxiety became so strong, I almost forgot that I installed it.

To give a little contra, I think If I had suggested myself to let the anxiety level get higher continuously...conscience couldn't have helped. Nor any limiting reaction of my brain.

Don't get me wrong but I won't try it out ;D maybe if I am on an adventure trip and trying to get rid of boredom.

Thanks a lot for your inspiration.

Cheers.

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on February 19, 2010 at 8:56pm

Dear Jagi,

You said: Now she has stated she doesn't feel like she was in hypnosis.
My question is: Is she coming back?

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.www.HypnoCruise.com

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Permalink Reply by Karl weg on February 20, 2010 at 5:16am

???

I am not getting it. Tell me why.

John Cleesattel said:

Karl,
This is not the type of thing to do with self-hypnosis.

John

Karl weg said:

Hi John,

thanks for your comments. Mmmmh. This is really interesting. So it is a fact, that the brain provides such strong limiting procedures? Thats a cool fact.

I once tried to put my anxiety level kinda high as a posthypnotic suggestion (or however professionals call it). As I was walking on the street, anxiety became so strong, I almost forgot that I installed it.

To give a little contra, I think If I had suggested myself to let the anxiety level get higher continuously...conscience couldn't have helped. Nor any limiting reaction of my brain.

Don't get me wrong but I won't try it out ;D maybe if I am on an adventure trip and trying to get rid of boredom.

Thanks a lot for your inspiration.

Cheers.

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 20, 2010 at 5:39am

Karl,
It is better to have someone guiding you with this that is not involved in how it feels. As you stated yourself, when you did it, it became so strong you almost forgot you installed it. Its best that a surgeon not use the knife on himself.

John

Karl weg said:

???

I am not getting it. Tell me why.

John Cleesattel said:

Karl,
This is not the type of thing to do with self-hypnosis.

John

Karl weg said:

Hi John,

thanks for your comments. Mmmmh. This is really interesting. So it is a fact, that the brain provides such strong limiting procedures? Thats a cool fact.

I once tried to put my anxiety level kinda high as a posthypnotic suggestion (or however professionals call it). As I was walking on the street, anxiety became so strong, I almost forgot that I installed it.

To give a little contra, I think If I had suggested myself to let the anxiety level get higher continuously...conscience couldn't have helped. Nor any limiting reaction of my brain.

Don't get me wrong but I won't try it out ;D maybe if I am on an adventure trip and trying to get rid of boredom.

Thanks a lot for your inspiration.

Cheers.

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Permalink Reply by Karl weg on February 20, 2010 at 6:05am

...see me laughing, don't ya?

I am no surgeon. No knife. I am human.

Feels good to have you around ;D At the moment the sun comes out over here in germany. It's saturday. I passed about 25 minutes walking very slowly on a sunny street. Very cool. People just standing on the street here in berlin and everybody starts talking with each other ;D - I love this city





John Cleesattel said:

Karl,
It is better to have someone guiding you with this that is not involved in how it feels. As you stated yourself, when you did it, it became so strong you almost forgot you installed it. Its best that a surgeon not use the knife on himself.

John

Karl weg said:

???

I am not getting it. Tell me why.

John Cleesattel said:

Karl,
This is not the type of thing to do with self-hypnosis.

John

Karl weg said:

Hi John,

thanks for your comments. Mmmmh. This is really interesting. So it is a fact, that the brain provides such strong limiting procedures? Thats a cool fact.

I once tried to put my anxiety level kinda high as a posthypnotic suggestion (or however professionals call it). As I was walking on the street, anxiety became so strong, I almost forgot that I installed it.

To give a little contra, I think If I had suggested myself to let the anxiety level get higher continuously...conscience couldn't have helped. Nor any limiting reaction of my brain.

Don't get me wrong but I won't try it out ;D maybe if I am on an adventure trip and trying to get rid of boredom.

Thanks a lot for your inspiration.

Cheers.

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Permalink Reply by Jagi Egnell on February 20, 2010 at 8:37am

Yes she has come back, and we still have some work to do. I realize now one session is not enough for the work we are doing. I have approached from a direction of 5path hypnosis, for which I completed the training and integrated some of the suggestion which were mentioned here. She actually called and said, she was feeling better and less anxious then before and we are still working on it to dissolve it for long term.

warmest regards,

Jagi

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht said:

Dear Jagi,

You said: Now she has stated she doesn't feel like she was in hypnosis.
My question is: Is she coming back?

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.www.HypnoCruise.com

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on February 20, 2010 at 9:20am

Hello Jagi,



Thanks for your answer and I am glad she's back, since I was going to advice you that id she is not planing to come back looking for excuses, for you not to worry, apparently some people are looking for quick fix and this is not what hypnosis is about, therefore you don't need as it could be your failure, because It's not :)

People need to understand that some cases will take one session and some up to eight session and some even more, based on their habits, behavior mental state, health and medical conditions, meaning if they are taking medication.

All the best and don't let some jokes or annoying answers to intimidate you, not suggestion that it happened :) but If it is somewhere here or in other discussion, just take it as a learning information and use it for your own benefit and of leave at this.

Blessing, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.HypnoCruise.com

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Permalink Reply by Robert S on February 20, 2010 at 9:29am

A peer of mine was experiencing a self described "anxiety attack" while at school
I use a rapid handshake induction while pre-talking about how he is experiencing the emotional state of "panic", as a way to re-frame the nominalized "panic attack" from a THING that was happening TO him to an natural emotional something he owned himself.

Panic about panic is a tricky thing.

The instant induction into total relaxation, and subsequent rapid (seconds) relief from panic was a powerful proof that he had full control of a natural state, its not an "attack that happens to him".

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Permalink Reply by Jagi Egnell on February 20, 2010 at 10:37am

Doreen,

Being a newbie at this I sometimes get discouraged, but I really do appreciate the input you have given me(truly and seriously very valuable). That's not to take something so personal as to effect of it affecting me to the kind of hypnotherapist I desire to be.

many thanks,

Jagi

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht said:

Hello Jagi,



Thanks for your answer and I am glad she's back, since I was going to advice you that id she is not planing to come back looking for excuses, for you not to worry, apparently some people are looking for quick fix and this is not what hypnosis is about, therefore you don't need as it could be your failure, because It's not :)

People need to understand that some cases will take one session and some up to eight session and some even more, based on their habits, behavior mental state, health and medical conditions, meaning if they are taking medication.

All the best and don't let some jokes or annoying answers to intimidate you, not suggestion that it happened :) but If it is somewhere here or in other discussion, just take it as a learning information and use it for your own benefit and of leave at this.

Blessing, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.HypnoCruise.com

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