Anxiety Attacks

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on February 20, 2010 at 6:45pm

Hello Jadi, See it as a challenge :) beside being a newbie can be fun since you are just in the beginning and the word "discouraged" need to be replaced with "an exciting challenge", trust me It's all about you, and It is your responsibility to grow from what ever you may still holding back that lets you or "US" to feel discouraged :)

One more thing I have learned, that some great people here just love to push our buttons, and see how far we go, and you know what, I love it, because It does not affect me in a bad way, It just means that I need to change.

I don't know but when my clients leave my office, they always end with this sentence," Doreen you are a good therapist", and this is what I love to hear and I never ever get tired from hearing it.

Ask yourself, M I a good therapist, and pause... listen to your breathing, close your eyes if you need to, and hear your subconscious mind answers back, and If it is hard for you to do it, that's OK, that means you need to do some self work on yourself and improve your feelings, grow and be the kind of hypnotherapist you want and desire to be, and remember no one ever learned to become good in their mothers womb, but they did studied what they know now and progressed with time.

Just me I guess :)
Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.EnterYourMind.com

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Permalink Reply by Janice Vivienne Shaw on February 22, 2010 at 12:01am

Thank you very much - I just might try that with my anxiety client. Sounds weird and I hope you're right on the statement that it "always pops" and that you really mean "always works". Oh well, if it doesn't, I'll just go the Randy Shaw way and get her to regress off of the feeling that comes up to release it. thanks!

Karl weg said:

Hi John,

thanks for your comments. Mmmmh. This is really interesting. So it is a fact, that the brain provides such strong limiting procedures? Thats a cool fact.

I once tried to put my anxiety level kinda high as a posthypnotic suggestion (or however professionals call it). As I was walking on the street, anxiety became so strong, I almost forgot that I installed it.

To give a little contra, I think If I had suggested myself to let the anxiety level get higher continuously...conscience couldn't have helped. Nor any limiting reaction of my brain.

Don't get me wrong but I won't try it out ;D maybe if I am on an adventure trip and trying to get rid of boredom.

Thanks a lot for your inspiration.

Cheers.

John Cleesattel said:

Hi jagi,
Or you could use an intervention like the blow out.

The blow out is a technique that has the subject feed the anxiety feeling back on itself, thus amplifying it enough that it over-inflates it like a balloon and then it pops and is gone. This is a one session technique.

The reason it works is because we have a finite limit as to how much of a feeling we can experience, and when that point gets exceeded, the feeling causing it self-destructs. The reactive mind sees the reaction as destroyed, and no longer provides that reaction to the trigger that causes the feeling.

The technique requires only light trance to start with (like so many techniques, the trance deepens as they use it).
Have a pre-talk that explains the concept to the subject and ask them if they are willing to experience the anxiety one more time, if they can be rid of it forever. Explain that it is an opportunity for some pay back (revenge) against the anxiety feeling. You will guide them to literally force feed the anxiety back on itself, and they must continue to amplify it until it finally pops, and it will.

After establishing a light trance, have them try to experience the feeling again and rate it on a scale of one to 10. Then make the feeling go weaker, then stronger, to make sure you have control of it. (If starting at a 6...have them make it a 5...then when a 5...have them make it a 7 etc). Once you have control, just having them adjust the level continually higher. Stress that the must get mad at the anxiety, and amplify it with extreme prejudice. Continue to amplify..100..500..1000 time stronger... until it pops. Just when the subject thinks they can't take anymore.. that's when it pops. Then it will be gone for good.

I hope this helps you
John

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Permalink Reply by Randy Clere on February 25, 2010 at 8:09am

Use suggestibility tests with her... and remember the only way someone can "do" anxiety is to be out of the present moment... They are either worrying about something that has not happened in the future, or something that happened in the past... ALso, find out somatically where in her body she is feeling this when it comes on. You might have her bring up the feeling "just enough" to know it is there, and then have her take the feeling away... Interrupt the pattern, and show her that she has the resources to overcome this. Also, find out what "pictures" she is making in her mind just before the anxiety takes hold.

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Permalink Reply by Karl weg on February 26, 2010 at 6:36am

Lol,

this is great. Great point. So, what did Adolf Hitler do, as he was loosing the war. He was anxious, because the americans came.

And the soldiers where totally free of any anxiety and dancing around before they fell in war.

Got to drink some milk now. ???.

Randy Clere said:

Use suggestibility tests with her... and remember the only way someone can "do" anxiety is to be out of the present moment... They are either worrying about something that has not happened in the future, or something that happened in the past... ALso, find out somatically where in her body she is feeling this when it comes on. You might have her bring up the feeling "just enough" to know it is there, and then have her take the feeling away... Interrupt the pattern, and show her that she has the resources to overcome this. Also, find out what "pictures" she is making in her mind just before the anxiety takes hold.

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on February 26, 2010 at 10:51am

Hey karl, I don't find your comment being amusing... :(

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Karl weg on February 26, 2010 at 1:00pm

...so you misagree?

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht said:

Hey karl, I don't find your comment being amusing... :(

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Karl weg on February 26, 2010 at 1:03pm

...well it wasn't that much about hitler. I was just thinking about this could work out in war. I don't know hitler personnaly nor his children. I never did.

Ok, I give another example of hitler. How about hitler and the handshake induction. That would be quit amusing...hands up...

Cheers

Ian Jay said:

Hitler was more concerned about the Russians than the Americans, I can assure you. And he had every reason to be so ...

IJ

Karl weg said:

Lol,

this is great. Great point. So, what did Adolf Hitler do, as he was loosing the war. He was anxious, because the americans came.

And the soldiers where totally free of any anxiety and dancing around before they fell in war.

Got to drink some milk now. ???.

Randy Clere said:

Use suggestibility tests with her... and remember the only way someone can "do" anxiety is to be out of the present moment... They are either worrying about something that has not happened in the future, or something that happened in the past... ALso, find out somatically where in her body she is feeling this when it comes on. You might have her bring up the feeling "just enough" to know it is there, and then have her take the feeling away... Interrupt the pattern, and show her that she has the resources to overcome this. Also, find out what "pictures" she is making in her mind just before the anxiety takes hold.

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on February 26, 2010 at 5:04pm

WHATEVER!!!

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Robert S on February 26, 2010 at 5:10pm

This derailed thread may neatly illustrate that not all re-frames are useful.

reductio ad Hitlerum

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Permalink Reply by Karl weg on February 27, 2010 at 5:25am

The theory is quit interesting but what reframe?

The positive intention of the writer is proofed by the circumstance, that the name Hitler was not important at all. Next time I'll mention Idi amin. That could sound interesting.

I am really sorry if I touched someones feeling just by mentioning a person that is not important to me. Though I saw many funny english scetches about the person itself.

If there might have been any kind of amusement in my opinion it was never an intention in the writing that related to victims. It could have been about the insane character of the dictator himself

Thank for the time

R Coyote said:

This derailed thread may neatly illustrate that not all re-frames are useful.

reductio ad Hitlerum

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Permalink Reply by Cheryl Westley on February 27, 2010 at 5:47am

Karl weg said:

It could have been about the insane character of the dictator himself

This is how I understand it. The man, Hitler, was (is) an incredible mental case-study.

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Permalink Reply by Karl weg on February 27, 2010 at 9:15am

If there is any direction I would like to develop to I think its yours...

Maybe I overgeneralize. Future comments will tell.

In the end it's a great site to find some idols. Even if their not the most obvious ones I suggest

Cheers

R Coyote said:

A peer of mine was experiencing a self described "anxiety attack" while at school
I use a rapid handshake induction while pre-talking about how he is experiencing the emotional state of "panic", as a way to re-frame the nominalized "panic attack" from a THING that was happening TO him to an natural emotional something he owned himself.

Panic about panic is a tricky thing.

The instant induction into total relaxation, and subsequent rapid (seconds) relief from panic was a powerful proof that he had full control of a natural state, its not an "attack that happens to him".

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