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Associated trance
In another discussion, someone mentioned "Associated trance". I have been looking around the internet trying to figure out what is meant by this term, but I am not finding what I'm looking for. Can someone explain what this means?
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on -
I'm afraid you will have to give just a bit more information than that if you want a serious answer. Like perhaps: what discussion you heard it in? The context in which it was said, etc.
John
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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on -
Perhaps in context...
The Power Trance and Other Everyday Trances
The Everyday Trance of divided consciousness is the ideal trance for managing pain and reducing the effects of symptoms. It’s necessary to experience divided consciousness if you are going to ride a bike and think about other things at the same time. There is another kind of trance that is experienced by many people everyday and it is called the “flow state” of mind or the associated trance. You might also call it the Power Trance because of the amazing things that people can do while in this state of mind.
This kind of trance happens when you are thoroughly engrossed in some activity that you obviously are challenged by or simply love to partake in. You may have found yourself reading a book and being oblivious to the world around you. Maybe you remember a time when you were watching your favorite TV show and found yourself crying because of the reality of the fictional drama. Perhaps you have played a game and lost track of everything outside of the game to the point where the rest of the world just “disappeared.”
During these kind of experiences you become completely wrapped up in whatever you are doing. What’s going on in the outside world just becomes unimportant. You lose track of anything outside of your desired experience. These periods of everyday trance remind us how easy it is to associate to, or step into, a different reality other than our own. Remember this as you read on!
Have you ever played a game or done some activity where everything else around you just seemed to disappear?
An excellent chess player will play an entire game of chess and not think of anything but that game of chess. We call this being associated. The chess player has no other thoughts, no other distractions. The chess player’s mind is only in the chess game.
A great tennis player is completely “in the zone” when playing the game. There are no thoughts of what to make for dinner, the trip home or paying taxes. Her thoughts are completely involved in the game and when the tennis player is really good the thoughts almost seem to disappear and she is simply playing the game as if she is a part of the game.
Two things happen when you are completely in the moment in this kind of everyday trance. The first is that the world dissolves around you and you become part of the experience. You don’t experience the game, you are the game. The other thing that happens is that you are completely focused. You don’t worry about what other people think of you, you don’t think anything that isn’t relevant to your actions, you simply experience the moment as you are.
This “flow state” is the optimal state for peak performance and one we will return to over and over again throughout this book. When you are in flow, everything you experience in flow is like making love. It could go on forever and you would be happy and successful, never wanting to leave.
Source: http://www.kevinhogan.com/hypnosis-positive-change.htm
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on
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I figured it might also be what the person seated next to a subject being hypnotized might experience.
Doc Regal said:Perhaps in context...
The Power Trance and Other Everyday Trances
The Everyday Trance of divided consciousness is the ideal trance for managing pain and reducing the effects of symptoms. It’s necessary to experience divided consciousness if you are going to ride a bike and think about other things at the same time. There is another kind of trance that is experienced by many people everyday and it is called the “flow state” of mind or the associated trance. You might also call it the Power Trance because of the amazing things that people can do while in this state of mind.
This kind of trance happens when you are thoroughly engrossed in some activity that you obviously are challenged by or simply love to partake in. You may have found yourself reading a book and being oblivious to the world around you. Maybe you remember a time when you were watching your favorite TV show and found yourself crying because of the reality of the fictional drama. Perhaps you have played a game and lost track of everything outside of the game to the point where the rest of the world just “disappeared.”
During these kind of experiences you become completely wrapped up in whatever you are doing. What’s going on in the outside world just becomes unimportant. You lose track of anything outside of your desired experience. These periods of everyday trance remind us how easy it is to associate to, or step into, a different reality other than our own. Remember this as you read on!
Have you ever played a game or done some activity where everything else around you just seemed to disappear?
An excellent chess player will play an entire game of chess and not think of anything but that game of chess. We call this being associated. The chess player has no other thoughts, no other distractions. The chess player’s mind is only in the chess game.
A great tennis player is completely “in the zone” when playing the game. There are no thoughts of what to make for dinner, the trip home or paying taxes. Her thoughts are completely involved in the game and when the tennis player is really good the thoughts almost seem to disappear and she is simply playing the game as if she is a part of the game.
Two things happen when you are completely in the moment in this kind of everyday trance. The first is that the world dissolves around you and you become part of the experience. You don’t experience the game, you are the game. The other thing that happens is that you are completely focused. You don’t worry about what other people think of you, you don’t think anything that isn’t relevant to your actions, you simply experience the moment as you are.
This “flow state” is the optimal state for peak performance and one we will return to over and over again throughout this book. When you are in flow, everything you experience in flow is like making love. It could go on forever and you would be happy and successful, never wanting to leave.
Source: http://www.kevinhogan.com/hypnosis-positive-change.htm
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Permalink Reply by Shen Client on -
John - the other discussion was the one I started yesterday about "dissociation and hypnosis". Someone in there wondered if it was easier to be in an "associated trance" if one was used to dissociating or if it was a separate skill. I don't really know, but after reading what Doc posted, I can say that I commonly and easily enter the state described in what he posted.
Doc, Thank you for this reply. Now I've added more reading to my list. :)
The state described in those paragraphs is how I am anytime I'm writing or painting. It's why I enjoy it so much - and why I have to make certain I have a block of uninterupted time and set a timer before I dive into writing or painting. I forget everything else. Just tonight, I was working on the rewrite of my book. I started around one this afternoon. My husband walked in and said, "Whenever you're ready" and I was completely confused. I looked at the clock, and it was 6:15. We had dinner reservations, but I had not concept of time passing.
When I am depressed, I paint or do computer art. I imagine an image I want to create and then I dive into it until it's done. It's wonderful because I don't have to think about anything else. Only the tiny world of my canvas (or screen) exists, and only the task at hand is of any consequence.
In addition, my kids have always complained that I don't hear them I'm watching TV or playing a video game. I know it's true. I am not trying to ignore them, I simply can't seem to be present to both the program/game and what is happening in the room.
Doc Regal said:Perhaps in context...
The Power Trance and Other Everyday Trances
The Everyday Trance of divided consciousness is the ideal trance for managing pain and reducing the effects of symptoms. It’s necessary to experience divided consciousness if you are going to ride a bike and think about other things at the same time. There is another kind of trance that is experienced by many people everyday and it is called the “flow state” of mind or the associated trance. You might also call it the Power Trance because of the amazing things that people can do while in this state of mind.
This kind of trance happens when you are thoroughly engrossed in some activity that you obviously are challenged by or simply love to partake in. You may have found yourself reading a book and being oblivious to the world around you. Maybe you remember a time when you were watching your favorite TV show and found yourself crying because of the reality of the fictional drama. Perhaps you have played a game and lost track of everything outside of the game to the point where the rest of the world just “disappeared.”
During these kind of experiences you become completely wrapped up in whatever you are doing. What’s going on in the outside world just becomes unimportant. You lose track of anything outside of your desired experience. These periods of everyday trance remind us how easy it is to associate to, or step into, a different reality other than our own. Remember this as you read on!
Have you ever played a game or done some activity where everything else around you just seemed to disappear?
An excellent chess player will play an entire game of chess and not think of anything but that game of chess. We call this being associated. The chess player has no other thoughts, no other distractions. The chess player’s mind is only in the chess game.
A great tennis player is completely “in the zone” when playing the game. There are no thoughts of what to make for dinner, the trip home or paying taxes. Her thoughts are completely involved in the game and when the tennis player is really good the thoughts almost seem to disappear and she is simply playing the game as if she is a part of the game.
Two things happen when you are completely in the moment in this kind of everyday trance. The first is that the world dissolves around you and you become part of the experience. You don’t experience the game, you are the game. The other thing that happens is that you are completely focused. You don’t worry about what other people think of you, you don’t think anything that isn’t relevant to your actions, you simply experience the moment as you are.
This “flow state” is the optimal state for peak performance and one we will return to over and over again throughout this book. When you are in flow, everything you experience in flow is like making love. It could go on forever and you would be happy and successful, never wanting to leave.
Source: http://www.kevinhogan.com/hypnosis-positive-change.htm
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Permalink Reply by Rob McKeon on -
Shen Client said:The state described in those paragraphs is how I am anytime I'm writing or painting. It's why I enjoy it so much - and why I have to make certain I have a block of uninterupted time and set a timer before I dive into writing or painting. I forget everything else.
What you are describing is the state of flow. You may wish to read the work of the positive psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi who first described and studied the subject scientifically. Here is his book on it:
http://www.amazon.com/Flow-Psychology-Optimal-Experience-P-S/dp/006...
Here he is talking about it on TED talks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXIeFJCqsPs
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