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Bipolar disorder and hypnosis
I would like to know from the hypnotherapists, if there are some concerns about threating bipolar disorders linked with panic attacks, with the use of hypnosis. Should self-hypnosis be useful in this cases?
Thanks
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Permalink Reply by Jeff on -
I have used hypnosis with individuals who are bipolor. They have seemed to response well and giving them a way to calm down when over excited about a situation. I use the movie theater NLP technique in which allows distance between them and the situation along with taking out the color out of scenes making it black and white. This helps remove the strong emotions from the situation.
Hope this helps,
Jeff
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on -
I would be careful to ensure that healthcare professionals are aware that you are helping 'their' patient. A referral would be ideal.
Working WITH other agencies to help the person is great. Working against others' treatment because our way differs from theirs risks alienating healthcare professionals and the client suffering as a consequence.
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Permalink Reply by Bill Kennedy on -
I have a bipolar friend who has been on medication for decades. Recently, she started seeing a therapist. She loves his manner and has found that it helped her smooth out the emotional highs and lows and gave her a feeling of having more control. I asked her to describe what he does. It was clearly a hypnotic induction, so, even though it may not be given the name "hypnosis", it is certainly being practiced.
Bill
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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on -
Absolutely, hypnosis will help ease those panic attacks. As with any other medical condition, a doctor's referral is necessary and I caution clients not to adjust their medication without their physician's guidance. I have helped several clients with bi-polar diagnosis take control of the way that they feel, think and behave.
Self-hypnosis, in motivated clients, helps them take it to the next level of healing.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on -
@ Henxy and Kelley,
I agree. When we are functioning as an adjunct to a client's mental health or medical care, a medical referral and/or a prescription is highly recommended.
However, hypnosis professionals who are not also licensed health care providers can operate as adjuncts (complement) to conventional medical/mental health practice or as alternatives to conventional medical/mental health practice in the US.
Like many of the members of this group, I am generally a client's last resort. And like many hypnosis practitioners in the US - I am seeing more and more clients who have abandoned conventional medical and/or mental health care by the time they are seeking our help. Example, a client received a BiPolar diagnosis two years ago and found that 2 years of talk therapy didn't help them and/or the adverse effects of the drugs that they were taking were intolerable and they quit therapy and/or doctors.
So, here is the deal - These people are now suffering from panic attacks and are seeking our help as an alternative to conventional medical/mental health care ... What to do?
I help them and I believe that any skilled hypno can help many of these people learn how to neutralize their panic triggers and/or shift into calm and peaceful states which is within of our scope of practice as I understand our scope of practice.
I'm just saying...
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on
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I don't like the us and them stuff.
As I've said far too many times already, I have a boot in both camps, and both camps attack a part of me.
That's why my recommendation is to work with, not against. It doesn't mean literally holding hands with drs, but it may do.
I have a healthy respect for all my colleagues, which is not what I can say about many hypnotherapists and many medical staff; both of whom seem to be threatened by the other and judge the other without really knowing them.
Safety for the client is paramount. Then comes the safety of the practitioner. Vulnerable people may lack the capacity to provide the informed consent required. If this occurs, yet the practitioner is unable to determine this, and acts with the best intentions (the road to hell being paved with such), the practitioner, as we say in the NHS, is f*cked.
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Permalink Reply by Bill Kennedy on
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I like what Henxy says and I would only add that bipolar is a spectrum not a point. Individuals vary widely, both from case to case and over time. Self-hypnosis is a powerful tool in the hands of someone with a certain amount of experience and self-knowledge. It may be ineffective in other hands.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on
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@ Henxy,
I am not advocating an us and them situation-- I work and network with more licensed health care professionals than most and I have a respect for my clients who tell me they are not being helped by conventional treatments. I am simply reporting on the fact that many people are dissatisfied and seeking alternatives -- Ignore that fact if you wish --
In terms of protecting ourselves and our clients it is important to understand just how much junk medical science is out there, especially in the realm of "mental health" before we think that we must act as if our clients are not able to decide if they are being helped or not -- That's not science or medicine - that's tyranny!
Read this before bed and lets compare notes in the morning:
http://www.hypnothoughts.com/forum/topics/i-thinkthat-this-is-a-must
Michael E.
Henxy said:I don't like the us and them stuff.
As I've said far too many times already, I have a boot in both camps, and both camps attack a part of me.
That's why my recommendation is to work with, not against. It doesn't mean literally holding hands with drs, but it may do.
I have a healthy respect for all my colleagues, which is not what I can say about many hypnotherapists and many medical staff; both of whom seem to be threatened by the other and judge the other without really knowing them.
Safety for the client is paramount. Then comes the safety of the practitioner. Vulnerable people may lack the capacity to provide the informed consent required. If this occurs, yet the practitioner is unable to determine this, and acts with the best intentions (the road to hell being paved with such), the practitioner, as we say in the NHS, is f*cked.
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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on
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I see the distinction, Michael. I, too, have had clients who have abandoned their psychiatric deadends and I am happy to help them. However, when they are currently taking medications prescribed and monitored by their docs, I consider myself a complementary caregiver. The client's best interest is in my heart, always.
Muah!
Kelley
Michael Ellner said:@ Henxy and Kelley,
I agree. When we are functioning as an adjunct to a client's mental health or medical care, a medical referral and/or a prescription is highly recommended.
However, hypnosis professionals who are not also licensed health care providers can operate as adjuncts (complement) to conventional medical/mental health practice or as alternatives to conventional medical/mental health practice in the US.
Like many of the members of this group, I am generally a client's last resort. And like many hypnosis practitioners in the US - I am seeing more and more clients who have abandoned conventional medical and/or mental health care by the time they are seeking our help. Example, a client received a BiPolar diagnosis two years ago and found that 2 years of talk therapy didn't help them and/or the adverse effects of the drugs that they were taking were intolerable and they quit therapy and/or doctors.
So, here is the deal - These people are now suffering from panic attacks and are seeking our help as an alternative to conventional medical/mental health care ... What to do?
I help them and I believe that any skilled hypno can help many of these people learn how to neutralize their panic triggers and/or shift into calm and peaceful states which is within of our scope of practice as I understand our scope of practice.
I'm just saying...
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on
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Ouch!
'Ignore that if you wish' is a little unnecessary! Spank!
I didn't say you were advocating 'us and them', I said I don't like 'us and them'. Because I don't.
I am also not suggesting that no clients have capacity, nor am I advocating tyranny! I am saying that there are people who DO lack capacity; and ascertaining this is not a weekend course anyone can take! Those of us who have a legal obligation to assess capacity in their role know that it's not an exact science; but a thorough and educated assessment, using the best information available at the time, and a person's capacity can fluctuate.
Unsurprisingly, there are many psych patients in treatment who 'hate' their psychiatrists. This isn't always because the psychiatrist is the big bad wolf. It's mainly because the person's condition dictates that they perceive the world fundamentally differently from the way most of the rest of the people do, that they can be a real danger to themselves or those around them, and that as a result of this, their liberty may ?need to be restricted until they are in a better place.
I know a good few of these people who have received traditional psychiatric treatment, and have gone from hating their shrink to recovering, and saying that they saved their life.
p.s. your link doesn't work.
Michael Ellner said:@ Henxy,
I am not advocating an us and them situation-- I work and network with more licensed health care professionals than most and I have a respect for my clients who tell me they are not being helped by conventional treatments. I am simply reporting on the fact that many people are dissatisfied and seeking alternatives -- Ignore that fact if you wish --
In terms of protecting ourselves and our clients it is important to understand just how much junk medical science is out there, especially in the realm of "mental health" before we think that we must act as if our clients are not able to decide if they are being helped or not -- That's not science or medicine - that's tyranny!
Read this before bed and lets compare notes in the morning:
http://www.hypnothoughts.com/forum/topics/i-thinkthat-this-is-a-must
Michael E.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on
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Permalink Reply by Karena on -
Henxy said:I don't like the us and them stuff.
As I've said far too many times already, I have a boot in both camps, and both camps attack a part of me.
That's why my recommendation is to work with, not against. It doesn't mean literally holding hands with drs, but it may do.
I have a healthy respect for all my colleagues, which is not what I can say about many hypnotherapists and many medical staff; both of whom seem to be threatened by the other and judge the other without really knowing them.
Safety for the client is paramount. Then comes the safety of the practitioner. Vulnerable people may lack the capacity to provide the informed consent required. If this occurs, yet the practitioner is unable to determine this, and acts with the best intentions (the road to hell being paved with such), the practitioner, as we say in the NHS, is f*cked.
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