Can you be a successful hypnotist without NLP?

It seems to me, that hypnosis and NLP go hand and hand. However not all training provides the combination of the two. So my question is this, do any of you think your practice would be as successful if you had only trained in hypnosis, or only trained in NLP?

Regards,
Jen

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on February 10, 2012 at 6:25pm

@ Jen -- Great discussion! Thanks for starting it!

@ Roy-

It is not disrespectful to Charlie's memory to change one's opinion as more and more information becomes available. Science and medicine are filled with phases like we used to think and now we don't -- That's certainly the case concerning "repressed causes" in mental health and behavioral medicine. The ruling modality in modern psychological practice is CBT and the ruling modality in medicine is mind-altering drugs -

NLP and hypnosis are very effective as stand alone and combined modalities and yet Kevin, Barry, Scott (S), Richard (N), you and I have helped many clients who had previously not been helped by the hypnosis, NLP or hypnosis/NLP practitioners that they saw before us. I believe it's simply a matter of Kevin, Barry, Scott (S), Richard (N), you and I using the same set of tools -- more effectively.

@ DonnaC-

I agree and it's good. Feel free to play "NLP" backwards -- We say the ancient Greeks practiced hypnosis in sleep temples long before Braid coined the term -- "hypnosis"

Michael E.

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on February 10, 2012 at 7:09pm

To add to that, I wish I could say I've been able to help every single client that walked through my door to the degree they would have liked, but fact is... I haven't.

Most? Yes... All? No.

That tells me that there's a good chance they ended up in someone else's office at one point in time- and that practitioner may have thought "Well, I guess what I do works and what the other person did doesn't."

A skilled practitioner of any good modality can most definitely help most of the people, most of the time- but I don't know of anyone with a 100% track record.

Maybe it's not always entirely what the practitioner did or didn't do right before us, as perhaps the client may just not have been ready for the results they got when we "succeeded" with them.

Just a thought...

-Kevin

Michael Ellner said:

@ Jen -- Great discussion! Thanks for starting it!

@ Roy-

It is not disrespectful to Charlie's memory to change one's opinion as more and more information becomes available. Science and medicine are filled with phases like we used to think and now we don't -- That's certainly the case concerning "repressed causes" in mental health and behavioral medicine. The ruling modality in modern psychological practice is CBT and the ruling modality in medicine is mind-altering drugs -

NLP and hypnosis are very effective as stand alone and combined modalities and yet Kevin, Barry, Scott (S), Richard (N), you and I have helped many clients who had previously not been helped by the hypnosis, NLP or hypnosis/NLP practitioners that they saw before us. I believe it's simply a matter of Kevin, Barry, Scott (S), Richard (N), you and I using the same set of tools -- more effectively.

@ DonnaC-

I agree and it's good. Feel free to play "NLP" backwards -- We say the ancient Greeks practiced hypnosis in sleep temples long before Braid coined the term -- "hypnosis"

Michael E.

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig - HypnosisAustin on February 10, 2012 at 8:22pm

I knew an "energy healer" who complained that he'd had to help a lot of people who were screwed up by their hypnotists. I said, "Of course. The 95% we help don't have any reason to go to you."

It's important to remember that we will never get a client who says, "I had fantastic success with (psychotherapy, EFT, NLP, RTC, EMDR, fill in the blank), but I thought I'd come see you just in case."

If a client comes to you after seeing a different practitioner for the same problem, it's because the other approach didn't work for that client.

So we really cannot draw any conclusions from observing that we helped clients who had failed with other modalities--because our clients are not a representative sample by a long shot.

Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com said:

Roy said:I've lost track of the number of clients I've seen over the years who FAILED to enjoy lasting success after seeing an NLP practitioner."

---That's funny... I've lost track of the number of clients I've had that FAILED to enjoy lasting-or any success- after seeing a traditional hypnotherapist.

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Permalink Reply by Lisa on February 10, 2012 at 8:52pm

Hi,

Sometimes people are helped just by working together with someone regardless of the approach and techniques they use. It is the relationship.

gentle day,

Lisa

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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on February 11, 2012 at 8:09am

Yep

I work about 21 years in natural medicine and I did learn a lot

70%-80% are the pro healer's results

If someone promise he have 100% its mean he is 100$%$ fake

[Having some fun]

This world is not perfect and that what make him perfect ;-)

NLP=GREAT TOOL - PART THERAPY=GREAT TOOL- REGRESSION=GREAT TOOL AND ON AND ON

Hypnosis is the basic knowledge how to art the subconscious and trance

All the tools we can get make us better

Deep technique can solve deep problems

Fast technique can give us coaching and quick motivation abilities

The best therapist is the one that always on learning and development like all professions

If you are wise and ingenious you can be a good healer

If you are close reserve and fix mind maybe it's maybe not for you

All we need is to be good and really care learn a lot take all we can and knowing that the patient is the most important person in the world for the moment

And then we can start really to help others

Old Far East saying:

If you want to be a king and you can't

Be a healer

So to be a healer its power and with power come responsibility

So lets be good :-)

Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com said:

To add to that, I wish I could say I've been able to help every single client that walked through my door to the degree they would have liked, but fact is... I haven't.

Most? Yes... All? No.

That tells me that there's a good chance they ended up in someone else's office at one point in time- and that practitioner may have thought "Well, I guess what I do works and what the other person did doesn't."

A skilled practitioner of any good modality can most definitely help most of the people, most of the time- but I don't know of anyone with a 100% track record.

Maybe it's not always entirely what the practitioner did or didn't do right before us, as perhaps the client may just not have been ready for the results they got when we "succeeded" with them.

Just a thought...

-Kevin

Michael Ellner said:

@ Jen -- Great discussion! Thanks for starting it!

@ Roy-

It is not disrespectful to Charlie's memory to change one's opinion as more and more information becomes available. Science and medicine are filled with phases like we used to think and now we don't -- That's certainly the case concerning "repressed causes" in mental health and behavioral medicine. The ruling modality in modern psychological practice is CBT and the ruling modality in medicine is mind-altering drugs -

NLP and hypnosis are very effective as stand alone and combined modalities and yet Kevin, Barry, Scott (S), Richard (N), you and I have helped many clients who had previously not been helped by the hypnosis, NLP or hypnosis/NLP practitioners that they saw before us. I believe it's simply a matter of Kevin, Barry, Scott (S), Richard (N), you and I using the same set of tools -- more effectively.

@ DonnaC-

I agree and it's good. Feel free to play "NLP" backwards -- We say the ancient Greeks practiced hypnosis in sleep temples long before Braid coined the term -- "hypnosis"

Michael E.

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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on February 11, 2012 at 8:54am

NLP have 2 main subjects

1 the art: chemistry and communication - language pattern - modalities -models

2 the therapeutic: technique and models of healing

The art can take you to be better hypnotist's better communicator better person

The NLP therapeutics technique you can do or not by us other methods but they need the trance work to solve deep issues

So when we discuses this matter we need to separate the topics

Can you use the art of NLP without hypnosis = YES

Can we use NLP therapeutics technique without hypnosis = NO [we do can if we will learn pro ericksonian hypnosis]

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on February 12, 2012 at 2:48pm

I've often told my students over the years that no matter how good you are, you will never help all the people all the time; but it is better to help most of the people most of the time rather than some of the people some of the time.

The only perfect track record I've ever had is with cocaine addition...which is why I have not accepted a client for that problem in over 15 years. (In other words, a perfect zero percent.) Instead, I refer them to a CDC.

Roy

Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com said:

To add to that, I wish I could say I've been able to help every single client that walked through my door to the degree they would have liked, but fact is... I haven't.

Most? Yes... All? No.

That tells me that there's a good chance they ended up in someone else's office at one point in time- and that practitioner may have thought "Well, I guess what I do works and what the other person did doesn't."

A skilled practitioner of any good modality can most definitely help most of the people, most of the time- but I don't know of anyone with a 100% track record.

Maybe it's not always entirely what the practitioner did or didn't do right before us, as perhaps the client may just not have been ready for the results they got when we "succeeded" with them.

Just a thought...

-Kevin

Michael Ellner said:

@ Jen -- Great discussion! Thanks for starting it!

@ Roy-

It is not disrespectful to Charlie's memory to change one's opinion as more and more information becomes available. Science and medicine are filled with phases like we used to think and now we don't -- That's certainly the case concerning "repressed causes" in mental health and behavioral medicine. The ruling modality in modern psychological practice is CBT and the ruling modality in medicine is mind-altering drugs -

NLP and hypnosis are very effective as stand alone and combined modalities and yet Kevin, Barry, Scott (S), Richard (N), you and I have helped many clients who had previously not been helped by the hypnosis, NLP or hypnosis/NLP practitioners that they saw before us. I believe it's simply a matter of Kevin, Barry, Scott (S), Richard (N), you and I using the same set of tools -- more effectively.

@ DonnaC-

I agree and it's good. Feel free to play "NLP" backwards -- We say the ancient Greeks practiced hypnosis in sleep temples long before Braid coined the term -- "hypnosis"

Michael E.

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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on February 13, 2012 at 6:12am

great topic

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on February 14, 2012 at 7:08pm

Indeed, RAPPORT is a very important ingredient for client success, regardless of which techniques we use.

Roy

Lisa said:

Hi,

Sometimes people are helped just by working together with someone regardless of the approach and techniques they use. It is the relationship.

gentle day,

Lisa

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on February 16, 2012 at 11:08am

Excellent post...and I especially like the first sentence!

Back in the mid-1980's, I witnessed a debate at a local networking meeting in the Seattle area between a hypnosis instructor and an NLP trainer. The impression given by several NLP practitioners then (25 years ago) was that one of their attractions to getting involved with NLP was in order to avoid learning hypnosis.

That was confirmed by a couple of NLP practitioners who took my hypnosis training course in the late 1980's...and unfortunately those experiences from the 1980's tainted my opinion of NLP until getting to know Tad James personally during the 1990's. Tad told me over lunch that he felt that hypnosis and NLP were "married" and he wanted to help make that happen.

Roy Hunter

Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com said:

You can do hypnosis without NLP, but in most cases, you can't do NLP without hypnosis.

I'm a huge advocate for NLP, simply because it involves so much more than just traditional hypnosis- but that doesn't mean you can't do excellent work with just hypnosis. There were amazing hypnotists long before NLP came along.

That said, most excellent hypnotists I know of (although not all) in the "modern age", also utilize NLP.

And I soooooo wish people would stop thinking that what the PUA community uses is actually effective NLP or hypnosis. In my not so humble opinion, 99% of what makes some of these lame "techniques" that they use effective, is the fact that they have the confidence to attempt some of this stuff (including self anchoring to their crotch as they use the embedded command, "do you want to come with me to grab a drink?" as just one of many really lame examples)...

What's interesting is the fact that most laymen that have never really studied hypnosis are confused about what hypnosis really is, where as most hypnotists that have never really studied NLP are confused about what NLP really is...

-Kevin