curse unraveling

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Permalink Reply by Antoine Pruyssers on May 14, 2010 at 8:49am

This is a very gray area between hypnosis, and religion, that must be tread on with gentle steps.
I believe the best way to help this client, is to get a "priest" of that religion, to fight off the "evil spirit".
while giving the client good suggestions to abide by the uplifting of the curse.
You would probably run into a lot of resistance (no, not a bunch of french-liberals), when you try to get your client off of these religious convictions.

The reason I say "evil spirit", is because a "spirit" can be sent away, as for a curse, may be sent by a living person, which could lead to resentment towards possible "suspects".

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Permalink Reply by AJ on May 14, 2010 at 9:01am

I have handled this type of situation with hypnosis. I combine spirit release therapy with energy release techniques that I have acquired during my metaphysical studies and practice.

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Permalink Reply by Robert A Roberts on May 14, 2010 at 4:21pm

I often come across cases such as your's. You really do not have to induce hypnosis. I would recommend reading Bill Baldwin's Spirit Releasement Therapy A Technique Manuel. As you describe the family situation, I would recommend clearing the family members of entities. Finding out from the entities if there is a contract or agreement and then mutually ending the contract by both parties.
Good Luck, Bob Roberts

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Permalink Reply by Donna Carter on May 14, 2010 at 7:21pm

as a side note; it would also be beneficial to research and find people who have had huge tragedies and how they turn it around positively, using the knowledge that comes with experience to...benefit themselves and the people around them. Very inspirational and a reframe.

my best,
~D.

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Permalink Reply by Susan French on May 15, 2010 at 6:36am

Hi Jagi,

This is a ticklish situation for sure. I was taught to "meet the client in his world." What I interpreted that to mean is to find a way to connect with the client, let him feel heard, acknowledged and understood. From there you have to find a way to suggest a "way out," a reframe as Donna suggested, or some way of giving the client a strategy or insight without having to challenge his belief system.

I had to do this a couple of times in my practice. Once was with a woman who insisted she could see dis-incarnate spirits who were always pinching her and badgering and touching her in inappropriate places. She was diagnosed as schizophrenic (which I didn't necessary consider to be 100% accurate, but I'm not a doctor). She seemed very, very rational to me and other than this experience, seemed very much in touch with reality.

I approached as I would any other belief system that seemed to be working against the client but the client was not open to changing his belief. I gave her some suggestions to block out the spirits, to send them on their way, to put herself in a protective bubble, to ask the angels or God or divine source for help.

I was able to elicit enough of her words and beliefs that I was able to create some suggestions that allowed her to feel that she was free of them. I also suggested in a semi-Ericksonian way that there were probably many ways to interpret her experience and that disturbing dis-incarnate spirits was one of them. Then I suggested a few others, one of which was that she might be sensing something that the rest of us didn't understand and couldn't see.

As Antoine suggested, if you can find similar cases of people who thought they were "cursed" and found holy people or incantations or whatever to remove the curse, it opens the clients mind to the idea that 1) this can be overcome and 2) there are others similar to him who have overcome the problem.

I'm certain that there are tons of stories of people who unraveled themselves from curses (usually with the help of a respected spiritual authority, like a priest, or Guardian Angels or whatever). Use those stories as metaphors to help the client see that there is a way out.

It's tricky for sure. You can't say that you believe what your client believes but you also can say or imply that you don't believe in his "model of the world." By finding third-person stories, it gives you a way to be a person who can help without lying and saying you accept his world.

It's kind of like the Ericksonian story of his being in a mental hospital and having to find a way to connect with a man who thought he was Jesus. Erickson apparently went up to the person and said "I hear you are a carpenter." Then he gave some indirect suggestions to guide the patient to help him navigate and move ahead in his behavior.

I don't know if this helps but hopefully it will be a guide for you. You might ask the client how he thinks people are relieved of curses and see what he says. Priests? Incantations? Spell-breakers? Anti-curse spells?

How do they deal with this kind of material on TV? They present it as it is suggested to them and then they find a way through it that doesn't demand that the viewer give up his belief. Once you've gotten that far, the client might allow his thinking to become organized in a less rigid and more open way, so that he can see some kind of new way at looking at his problem.

Even with the idea of reincarnation, which some people believe in and other don't, you can see it all as metaphor and not 100% objective reality.

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Permalink Reply by tc_Burt on May 15, 2010 at 6:57am

You have to keep in mind that you are working in her belief system, either you have to support it, or diffuse it, or disparage it

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Permalink Reply by Jagi Egnell on May 15, 2010 at 7:50am

Thank you everyone for some really good ideas. As she feels comfortable working only with me (I know this because I did suggest someone else for her to work with)...I will implement some of the ideas from here...and just go from there and see what happens.

many thanks,

Jagi

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on May 15, 2010 at 3:28pm

Hi Jagi,

If a client believes that she was/is hexed or cursed - She experiences her life as if she was/is hexed or cursed and every thing that happens in her life seems to prove it... The great news is that you can help her give herself a new lease of life

Now that you are confident that hypnosis can help set her free--

Ask her: How she will know the curse/hex has been lifted? Pay attention to her answer and utilize her answer in your session-

A simple way to break the curse without worrying about entities or spooks is to have her imagine that her curse is like a large dark cloud that has been following her family and then have her imagine that the hypnosis is enabling her to vaporize the cloud and let the light back into her life and lift the curse... Blah, blah, blah...


You can do this...

Best,
Michael E.

jagi egnell M.H.C.Ht said:

Thank you everyone for some really good ideas. As she feels comfortable working only with me (I know this because I did suggest someone else for her to work with)...I will implement some of the ideas from here...and just go from there and see what happens.
many thanks,
Jagi

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