Dave Elman

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on February 5, 2010 at 3:44pm

Ian,

Thanks for the response.

Yes, I know of Gerald Kein and have seen some of his material and he is good, but I still consider him modern a modern day hypnotist. Everything I have seen that Mr. Kein does, which is great, is still basically the same stuff that was pioneered by Elman. I would like to know who was instrumental in getting hypnosis accepted by JAMA in 1958 as I am sure there had to be some scientific evidence presented during that time.

I am like Sargent Friday of the old Dragnet TV series and looking for "Just the facts". I read to many modern day opinions of hypnotists that try and explain what hypnosis is and can and can not do based only on their frame of reference. I am looking for confirmed historical information supported by empirical data.

As a side bar, I rented both of the Svengali movies, the original 1931 version and the 1954 colored remake. I liked the original version the best. Hence my change of profile picture :)

Ian Jay said:

Gerry Kein
http://www.omnihypnosis.com/

A student of Elman's, so I heard. If not, he's a great tutor anyway.

Ian

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on February 5, 2010 at 4:18pm

That's a good idea. I think I might have to get his book.

Ian Jay said:

Maybe Erickson? I read something about his battle with 'conventional' medicine to get hypnosis accepted, somewhere.

Ask Saul Rosenfield, a member here, and author of a popular book on the history of hypnosis.
http://www.hypnothoughts.com/profile/SaulRosenfeld

Ian

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 5, 2010 at 4:57pm

As another "just the facts" kind of guy, you might want to check out the how and why of hypnosis and trance with my book :) My website where my book "The Nature of Trance" is available, is on my profile.

John

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on February 5, 2010 at 5:22pm

Thanks John, I will do that.

John Cleesattel said:

As another "just the facts" kind of guy, you might want to check out the how and why of hypnosis and trance with my book :) My website where my book "The Nature of Trance" is available, is on my profile.

John

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on February 6, 2010 at 2:21am

I don't think there's any such thing as 'the foundation upon which all modern day hypnosis is based on.'

Obviously, there's the two great E's, but if you want one point I guess it's Mesmer. Personally, I'd rather claim a wider foundation.

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on February 6, 2010 at 6:59am

Thanks Adrian, I will look those up.

Adrian Tannock said:

Saul's book comes highly recommended (to my shame, I've yet to buy a copy :-S )

I'd hoover up work by Erickson - balancing Elman and Erickson seems smart to me.

Also, I'd go for Gil Boyne's book / materials.

Finally, Hull L Clark's book on suggestion & suggestibility is worth ploughing through.

Cheers,

Adrian

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on February 6, 2010 at 7:07am

Thanks for the reply Graham,

When I speak of "foundation" I am referring to those techniques and methods that produce results that can be scientifically proven through repeatable experimentation. Everyone, these days seems to throw a new spin on what is basic, i.e. all the different types of inductions when the foundation is just to get a person to focus on one thing and then bypass the critical faculty. Elman explains this point very well in his tapes. I consider that kind of information to be foundational.

Graham Old said:

I don't think there's any such thing as 'the foundation upon which all modern day hypnosis is based on.'

Obviously, there's the two great E's, but if you want one point I guess it's Mesmer. Personally, I'd rather claim a wider foundation.

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Permalink Reply by John R. Brochu on February 6, 2010 at 9:55am

David:

I applaud you quest for knowledge. That’s why most of us are here.
I would suggest that your viewpoint of the bedrock of hypnosis might be a tad myopic. I have studied Elman’s work and I agree with you that his approach is sound. It appears that you are working in the public/stage arena and are looking medical validation and are in search of the nexus of modern hypnosis.
Elman worked in the medical/dental fields in his later years his roots were in stage hypnosis and vaudeville.
As for someone that was in the same class as Elman I couldn’t say.
I will tell you that if I needed to give someone just one book on hypnosis, it would be Charles Tebbetts book “ Self Hypnosis and other mind-expanding techniques”.
Charles studied under Gil Boyne and was Roy Hunter’s instructor I believe.
Best of luck on your quest…

Yours in Health.

John Brochu
BrochuHypnosisCenter.com




David Lynn said:

Thanks for the reply Graham,

When I speak of "foundation" I am referring to those techniques and methods that produce results that can be scientifically proven through repeatable experimentation. Everyone, these days seems to throw a new spin on what is basic, i.e. all the different types of inductions when the foundation is just to get a person to focus on one thing and then bypass the critical faculty. Elman explains this point very well in his tapes. I consider that kind of information to be foundational.

Graham Old said:

I don't think there's any such thing as 'the foundation upon which all modern day hypnosis is based on.'

Obviously, there's the two great E's, but if you want one point I guess it's Mesmer. Personally, I'd rather claim a wider foundation.

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on February 6, 2010 at 10:37am

Thank John,

You are correct. I am mostly working in the stage/public arena. I will look up Charles Tebbetts book. I have been using the library to request as many books as possible and find it a great way to read a lot of resources without spending any money for books that I will only read once. Thanks again for your input.

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on February 6, 2010 at 10:48am

John,

Thanks again! I just bought Charles Tebbetts book Self-Hypnosis and Other Mind Expanding Techniques from Amazon for $0.01 cent plus $3.99 shipping!

John R. Brochu said:

David:

I applaud you quest for knowledge. That’s why most of us are here.
I would suggest that your viewpoint of the bedrock of hypnosis might be a tad myopic. I have studied Elman’s work and I agree with you that his approach is sound. It appears that you are working in the public/stage arena and are looking medical validation and are in search of the nexus of modern hypnosis.
Elman worked in the medical/dental fields in his later years his roots were in stage hypnosis and vaudeville.
As for someone that was in the same class as Elman I couldn’t say.
I will tell you that if I needed to give someone just one book on hypnosis, it would be Charles Tebbetts book “ Self Hypnosis and other mind-expanding techniques”.
Charles studied under Gil Boyne and was Roy Hunter’s instructor I believe.
Best of luck on your quest…

Yours in Health.

John Brochu
BrochuHypnosisCenter.com




David Lynn said:

Thanks for the reply Graham,

When I speak of "foundation" I am referring to those techniques and methods that produce results that can be scientifically proven through repeatable experimentation. Everyone, these days seems to throw a new spin on what is basic, i.e. all the different types of inductions when the foundation is just to get a person to focus on one thing and then bypass the critical faculty. Elman explains this point very well in his tapes. I consider that kind of information to be foundational.

Graham Old said:

I don't think there's any such thing as 'the foundation upon which all modern day hypnosis is based on.'

Obviously, there's the two great E's, but if you want one point I guess it's Mesmer. Personally, I'd rather claim a wider foundation.

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Lucas on February 4, 2011 at 3:37am

How was cds is there in the dave elman medical course? Is the hypno-analysis course included?

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on February 6, 2011 at 7:38pm

Indeed, Charles Tebbetts was my instructor...and the Elman book was one of the two required texts. I believe that every hypnosis professional should have the Elman book in his/her library.

Charles Tebbetts asked me to continue his work prior to his passing in 1992. He was one of the pioneers of client centered hypnosis, and was THE pioneer of parts therapy.

Roy Hunter
PS: Thank you, John, for promoting a parts therapy workshop last year!

 

John R. Brochu said:

David:

I applaud you quest for knowledge. That’s why most of us are here.
I would suggest that your viewpoint of the bedrock of hypnosis might be a tad myopic. I have studied Elman’s work and I agree with you that his approach is sound. It appears that you are working in the public/stage arena and are looking medical validation and are in search of the nexus of modern hypnosis.
Elman worked in the medical/dental fields in his later years his roots were in stage hypnosis and vaudeville.
As for someone that was in the same class as Elman I couldn’t say.
I will tell you that if I needed to give someone just one book on hypnosis, it would be Charles Tebbetts book “ Self Hypnosis and other mind-expanding techniques”.
Charles studied under Gil Boyne and was Roy Hunter’s instructor I believe.
Best of luck on your quest…

Yours in Health.

John Brochu
BrochuHypnosisCenter.com




David Lynn said:

Thanks for the reply Graham,

When I speak of "foundation" I am referring to those techniques and methods that produce results that can be scientifically proven through repeatable experimentation. Everyone, these days seems to throw a new spin on what is basic, i.e. all the different types of inductions when the foundation is just to get a person to focus on one thing and then bypass the critical faculty. Elman explains this point very well in his tapes. I consider that kind of information to be foundational.

Graham Old said:

I don't think there's any such thing as 'the foundation upon which all modern day hypnosis is based on.'

Obviously, there's the two great E's, but if you want one point I guess it's Mesmer. Personally, I'd rather claim a wider foundation.

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