Dealing with possible vertigo during trance

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Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on September 12, 2009 at 12:55pm

Hi Sarah, Does your fellow student experience the floor moving from underneath during normal full awareness or is it only while entering trance? If there is no underlying medical condition and the described experience only happens while inducing a hypnotic trance then there is an explanation. There are a numer of posssibilities so if you can answer my query I'll let you know my view on reaching a solution.
Regards,
Paul Dee

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on September 12, 2009 at 3:45pm

Each individual experiences hypnosis in thier own personal private way. No two people are exactly the same. My first thought would be to innoculate against it. I would do that by saying ... "can't fall can't lose your balance ... feet firmly beneath you feel your body melting down down down ,,, etc" If I am working with someone standing which I usually am, that is an important part of the setup/pretalk. Even if they are sitting it is important to keep them balanced. Before I started doing that I had some seated subjects "slither" to the floor.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on September 12, 2009 at 6:39pm

If it's not neurological or caused by something else it can be defused in the way Hugh suggests with a positive rider suggestion to associate good feelings to any trance sensations - you will stay firmly in the chair, allowing yourself to feel those wonderful sensations.

If the sensation of spinning or turning is not uncomfortable - some folks find it a pleasant sensation - you can utilize them within the induction proper. See http://briandavidphillips.typepad.com/brian/2009/09/exotic-hypnosis... for an example (I will also use an induction called "inner vertigo" in the exotic set which purposefully creates this sensation).

Utilize whatever they are giving you, within a context of comfort and positive support.

All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

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Permalink Reply by sarah dawn skinner on September 13, 2009 at 7:14am

Hi paul ,

she doesnt have any medical conditions and she only expereince this during trance , She is afraid of heights but she isnt visualising being in a high place so its a bit of a mystery to me .


many thanks for your help

Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) said:

Hi Sarah, Does your fellow student experience the floor moving from underneath during normal full awareness or is it only while entering trance? If there is no underlying medical condition and the described experience only happens while inducing a hypnotic trance then there is an explanation. There are a numer of posssibilities so if you can answer my query I'll let you know my view on reaching a solution.
Regards,
Paul Dee

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Permalink Reply by sarah dawn skinner on September 13, 2009 at 7:21am

HI hugh,

we have been only trained to use a seated position (feet flat on floor , hand comfortably on lap)
She isnt actually physically moving. She just feels that she is.

thanks for the advice



Hugh Cole said:

Each individual experiences hypnosis in thier own personal private way. No two people are exactly the same. My first thought would be to innoculate against it. I would do that by saying ... "can't fall can't lose your balance ... feet firmly beneath you feel your body melting down down down ,,, etc" If I am working with someone standing which I usually am, that is an important part of the setup/pretalk. Even if they are sitting it is important to keep them balanced. Before I started doing that I had some seated subjects "slither" to the floor.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on September 13, 2009 at 10:19am

Hi Sarah,
Actually vertigo is something you can easily utilize in a seated subject, Brian has a nice video up where he gets the subject to vertigo herself using a headroll. John Harlzig has a video of the "vertigo" induction using a spinning chair. It's a novelty induction developed by Bob Otto, and very effective. All of which means that vertigo is not an impediment to trance. It is a "serious" helper. Your subject is emerging because she has no instruction of what to do with the state. It sounds like it is actually "anchored" to her concept of hypnosis. USE IT. incorporate something like "down and down ,,, round and round spinning deeper into trance. with each beat of your heart" into the induction and set up. You can also ask her (unconcious) mind to signal the moment she begins to feel the sensation. of movement. (finger raise) .. If it were me.... I would consider that my split second window to seriously "lay her down" on a chair/body next to her using a shock induction, (Watch Brian's videos he is a master at gentle shock,).
Anyway happy trancing .. Don't be afraid to play with it. Opening her eyes doesn;t mean you have failed. It means you have to think fast enough to say Close your eyes for me, and just keep going with something differant, YOUR state may be the most important determining factor here. Visualize and expect success.

Hugh Cole
Making Folks dizzy one post at a time.

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Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on September 16, 2009 at 2:22pm

Hi Sarah,
Your colleague seems to have a fear of losing control, or not being in controll. Entrering hypnotic trance is actually taking control of self but is widely and wrongly perceived as submitting control to another. Something caused that fear. If you use the tools in your toolbox correctly you'll find that the cause is most likely a control issue linked to fear, rather than anything to do with heights.
I hope this is helpful.


sarah dawn skinner said:

Hi paul ,

she doesnt have any medical conditions and she only expereince this during trance , She is afraid of heights but she isnt visualising being in a high place so its a bit of a mystery to me .


many thanks for your help

Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) said:

Hi Sarah, Does your fellow student experience the floor moving from underneath during normal full awareness or is it only while entering trance? If there is no underlying medical condition and the described experience only happens while inducing a hypnotic trance then there is an explanation. There are a numer of posssibilities so if you can answer my query I'll let you know my view on reaching a solution.
Regards,
Paul Dee

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on September 17, 2009 at 4:06am

Thanks Scott,

I think you are pretty much right.

another point for consideration,
is that when there is a slight problem with the balance mechanism,
it often does not show up when the person is calm and relaxed,
but is exacerbated, by fear and stress,
due to the oculo-motor vestibular reflex arc,
being so closely affected by the vagus nerve
which is in tuurn, affected by stress/fear.

perhaps starting with eyes open,
and making sure the client is fullly comfortable and feels safe,
will help.
Then if it feels appropriate,
clossing the eyes when the client feels safe and ready,
with the rider that she can open them again whenever she needs to.
and that each time she does this, she can feel even safer afterwards,
and so relax even more and more,
and enjoy the experience more and more.

LOve and hugs,

Fable

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