Ecstacy and hypnosis

Anyone know of a hypnotherapist who can facilitate one going into a non-sexual state of ecstasy?

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Permalink Reply by Aino / Akpolarmom on December 23, 2008 at 12:06am

Justine,
I could not see why that would not be possible, as with any other feeling one can suggest to a person in trance. I guess it depends on defining what the person considers "bliss" as it would be rather subjective?

One of our members, Brian David Phillips, had some great mp3's downloads (before they were taken off his site,) that were pertaining to creating a actual physical and emotional responds by conditioning to a trigger word. He does this rather effectively, I can say from experience. My favorite is one of his DRTRC, Deep Relaxation Trigger Response Conditioning, named "The Color Purple Associated Synthesia Response Conditioning." It is described as "a special conditioning file which incorporates a playful experiment in associated synthesia response conditioning to create a rather intriguing positive kinesthetic and emotional response to the color purple." Another one is "DTM Feel the Glow " (Deep Trance Modeling) about which he says, "This rather fun session creates a trigger response for feeling wonderful that can be very enjoyable.
So in a sense one could take this to a point of "bliss" depending on practice, expectations etc. Is that where you are going with this? I guess I should copy this to your discussion too?

Aino

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Permalink Reply by Jaime Nichols on December 23, 2008 at 8:19am

Justine,

Is this a state you have experienced before, or a state you're trying to attain? I may be reading in between the lines here, but what you describe may be what Maslow called a "peak experience." My experience is that these can be cultivated through hypnosis and meditation, and achieve maximum effect through a series of progressive activities that may encompass multiple sessions. You may be able to get a quick buzz from a single session or recorded product, but the peak experience takes a bit of building-up to create a state independent of time and past experience.

--Jaime

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Permalink Reply by Ken Dubner, C.Ht. on December 23, 2008 at 10:20am

Justine

As Jaime said the first thing you need to do is be more clear on what you uniquely understand the subjective experience of "ecstasy" to be. Yours, mine and everyone else's is probably very different.
It could be the "peak experience" described by Maslow but could also be something quite different.
The next question of whether you have experienced before is very important, because it is incredibly simple to bring that feeling back. If you you have not experienced it yet its OK, that's just going to mean going a slightly different route.

Either way- YES- you can do it.
Both hypnosis and NLP techniques would be of useful in that.

I see you are in my area, feel free to contact me, my info is on my page and I'd be happy to talk to you more about it.

Ken Dubner

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Permalink Reply by Gaia on January 16, 2009 at 1:47am

I emailed you and you never emailed me back.

Justine

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Permalink Reply by Bonnie Robinson on January 16, 2009 at 7:19am

Why were they taken off the site do you know and also where else could I find them?

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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on January 16, 2009 at 3:29pm

Justine, I have done this sort of work quite a bit and it can be very rewarding work indeed. I also teach it in a number of my courses (depending upon the context). For instance, in the upcoming "psychic hypnosis" courses in Mumbai and New Delhi, I will be including the "Engineered Ecstatic Experiences" process ( http://www.pradeepaggarwal.com/mp/ ) while in other contexts the flooded state might be of a less esoteric but still ecstatic nature. A number of my free mp3s were taken off my webpages because I have updated variations in the collection in my CD shop.

All the best,
Brian David Phillips
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan on January 16, 2009 at 3:47pm

Werd, but would it not be interesting to find out if there were other times when the "roll" came on (perhaps even naturally?) and work to re-vivify that experience?

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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on January 17, 2009 at 6:02am

Brian, do you mean the hypnotist must have experienced some form of ecstasy first or that the trance partner should have experienced ecstasy first? I have guided plenty of folks into "drunken" or hypnotic "high on drug" type states through suggestion alone yet I have never been drunk (I don't drink). I've also guided folks who don't drink into a drunken state via suggestion alone . . . they may not be experiencing "genuine" drunkenness but they certainly can imagine what it might feel like and so experience what for them is a drunken state. I have guided anorgasmic women into orgasm through hypnosis. They may not have experienced an orgasm before but they certainly experience something that is just as valuable to them. I would strongly suggest that suggested ecstatic experiences need not be informed by previous ":genuine" ecstatic experiences. Sure, if one is informed by experience the suggested state will certainly be easier to achieve and will likely be closer to the biochemical sets of the previous non-suggested experience, but that does not mean that the suggested experience is no less valuable an experience.

All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on January 17, 2009 at 7:35am

I certainly agree with Brian,

It is possible to facilitate a client to expereience all sorts of sensations that they have never been aware of experiencing before, and to amplify, stack, and extend the duration of various experiences/ sensations/ emotions that they have experienced before if even only fleetingly. Plus everyone has internal models of experiences they have heard about, read about, observed in others, or on film or TV.

There are certainly enough resourses available in the average client to construct just about any state you can imagine, and describe.

I've certainly had many subjects experience all the known pleasures and perceived enlightenment /peak expereiences of an LSD trip, without any of the drawbacks. This works with both subjects who have and have not experienced a trip before.

A good resource for ideas on how to do this is 'Mind Games' writen my Masters and Houston 1972

Also in conjunction, read the complete works of Milton Ericson. After that get back to me if you are still having problems.

Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Gaia on April 18, 2009 at 12:07am

I am just curious if many hypnotherapists use hypnosis for the sheer pleasure that the hypnotic state can bring, and, in my experience, generally does. In other words, does anyone know of many hypnotherapists who do what might be called "recreational hypnosis," not for any particular personal challenge or concern, but rather just for the client to feel just great and wonderful, during, and after the session.

The reason I am asking this is because, although I have been certified since 1994, I really know very few hypnotherapists, and the ones I do know do not offer hypnosis just for the sake of what hypnosis can bring, and no hypnotherapist that I know, nor through research I have done, where I have anonymously contacted various hypnotherapists around the country, just to see if they do hypnotherapy for the "fun" of it. I do not find anyone who does this. In fact, when i have phoned many different hypnotherapists, randomly, and not telling them that I am myself a hypnotherapist, but just someone who wants to "enjoy" an hour of hypnosis, most every hypnotherapist i have spoken with has balked at such a request. Most all of them think it is a quite WEIRD request, and without exception, not a single hypnotherapist i have contacted has been willing (or is the word "able"?) to put me into a deep trance state where I will experience ecstasy. They all think i must be some sort of a pervert or something, lol.

Sure, hypnotherapists are willing to deal with the "spirit world" or "past life regression" but find me any hypnotherapist who is qualified to put people into deep trances where they will experience non-sexual ecstatic bliss, and there does not seem to be anyone qualified to do this.

I happen to have been trained by a hypnotherapist who DOES put tons and tons of people into states of such exquisite ecstacy, that NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING can compare so far as the pleasure one fills due to his facilitation. I learned from him, and he shall remain nameless, but I can do what he can do now too. I am not as good at it as he is, but I can easily bring people into states of ecstasy, and i dont know anyone else but this mentor of mine who can do this (but me now).

I have no idea WHY anyone would wish to experience the feelings of being DRUNK. There is nothing really all that great about feeling that way, unless someone likes to feel sick, and dizzy, and unable to walk straight or think straight, so why anyone would actually request to be put into such a trance makes no sense to me. I did see some You Tube video where some English guy got some kid drunk on water, and i found it extremely boring, but maybe that is just my own prejudice, because drunkeness i find to be a total turn off.

However, i cannot imagine ANYONE who would not like to experience ECSTASY! And, if case the people on this forum believe that the concept of "ecstasy" is subjective, I would both agree and disagree. Mostly, i would disagree, and say, if you've experienced ecstasy, there is no way to explain what it feels like, and if you haven't, then no explanation is possible. Although ecstasy is not sexual, it does have one thing in common with sex, and that is, if one has experienced an orgasm, then there is no way to truly describle what it feels like, and if you have not experienced an orgasm, again, no description would be possible to convey what it feels like, ditto for ecstasy.

I would also say that I do not think it would be possible to induce ecstasy in another unless one had experienced it themselves. The reason seems obvious. If one does not know what ecstasy is, how would it be possible to know how to induce it. It is not as if one is a medical doctor who is injecting a patient with morphine, yet has never experienced morphine himself. that would be a ridiculous analogy. For to experience ecstasy there are certain "triggers" as there are "triggers" for sex and i cannot imagine any therapist who was unfamiliar with sex to be very good at facilitating enhanced sexuality if they were not very sexual themselves, or had not been at one time or another.

I will confess here that up until yesterday I was a two pack a day smoker, and have been since my husband died just about 11 years ago. Before that I had been a very happy and content non smoker for just about 18 years. When my husband died, it was very much a shock, and as foolish as it was, i sought solace in smokes, and i got "hooed" again.

Now, during the past 11 years i have successfully facilitated legions for people quit cigarettes, but to tell everyone the truth, my heart was never in it. Not that i felt like a hypocrite, because I do not consider myself anyone's role model, and what i do in my private life is my business, and just because someone else wishes to quit smoking, and i am able to get them to quit, does not mean that I must be a non smoker. At least this is my thinking on the matter. Still, smoking cessation was the one thing i did not enjoy helping people with, even though i was good at it.

Now that I am again a non smoker, i know i will feel just fine with my clients who wish to stop smoking.

I do not understand how someone who does not drink and has never drank would have a clue as to how to induce fake drunkenness in anyone. What one fantasizes drunkedness to be is not necessarily drunkenness, probably it is not. Sounds more like someone here is a stage hypnotist or something like that which i know very little to nothing about other than it is apparently "entertaining" .... I do not find it so, but to each his own.

Gaia
http://www.redesignyourmind.net