Experience with clients on pain killers?

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on March 29, 2010 at 4:28am

I did not mean to be confrontative John.

I agree that generally speaking, in just about all acute situations hypnotically masking pain without medical attention is irresponsible, but I repeat, most hypnos will be assisting people in chronic pain. These are people who have been to several doctors and have had dozens of tests and have received medical attention... Many of these potential clients would not appreciate our insisting on a medical referral and I agree with them.

FYI - I was responding to your statement: I Always get a medical referral when working with pain management

I thought every one understood that Michael M. had a medical referral and it seemed to me that we all agreed that it was essential to do so in this situation -- In my opinion, your reply went beyond this situation and topic - when you said ALWAYS.

Hugs,

Michael E.



John R. Brochu said:

Michael E:
I respect your opinion and understand the work that you do in the industry. Your position in the industry in itself doesn’t validate your opinion.

The client is taking Lora tabs and also taking morphine to sleep.
Either this client is scoring drugs on Main Street or she has an ongoing relationship with a physician. I think Michel Miller was prudent in getting a referral from this client’s doctor. This (how did you put it?) Jackass would have asked the client in question for a referral also. Don’t see that as a lack of compassion for her condition but rather that she has an attending physician. I respect that relationship.
We each must define our scope of practice.


I believe the original question was about a client that over medicates before a session. Perhaps we should focus on that and less on how differently we conduct our practices…

Yours in Health,
John Brochu
BrochuHypnosisCenter.com








Michael Ellner said:

John,

My point was that flexibility saves the day and you agreed: "Each pain management case is unique."
You asked:
"How can one work with blatant disregard of the attending physician and then hope to be accepted by those we have chosen to circumvent. "

I don't know what you are talking about John? I haven't seen any evidene of any thing like a blatant disregard of the attending physician in any post in this thread.

FYI- I work and play very well with licensed frontline pain practitioners and I am regarded as a leading expert in the field hypnotic pain relief

The fact is that many chronic pain clients will have give up on their attending physicians long before they see us -- the meds didn't help or the adverse effects were just too much. These people have been told by their attending physcians that that's the best that they can do and that they will have to live with their pain and no disrespect intended -- my thinking is only a jackass would insist that such a client get a medical referral --

You asked:
"Michael are we part of the health care team or are we the primary care giver"

Every client is unique and I am well aware of when to insist on a doctor's referral and when it is not necessary.

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Permalink Reply by Walt on March 29, 2010 at 4:40am

If she takes the pain medicines just before she arrives for her session they will start to act as she is going into trance. Can you piggy-back on that experience, anchor it, so that she can re-experience the effects with a post-hypnotic suggestion, without the pills? This way you can use the pills to help remove the dependency on the pills.


When one is in pain they can feel the pain medicines begin to work--unless they take them when they don't need them. Teach her how to re-experience the feeling of that pain washing away.

If your client has a substitute for the pain medicine it will be easier to reduce her dependence on the pain pills. If not, it can be very frightening.

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Permalink Reply by Jackie Spencer on April 5, 2010 at 6:29pm

Michael, you had a great session with your client. You were able to communicate clearly your abilities and expectations, and clarify her goals. You were able to confirm a deep trance which left your client feeling incredible. Good work all the way around.

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