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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on September 3, 2010 at 7:55am

Perhaps I should have said... Free = no value?

Jan Krüger said:

John Cleesattel said:

If you are serious about pursuing hypnosis, get live training. I understand you are opposed to spending money on it, but understand that you get what you pay for.

The thing with that adage is that there are more currencies than just money. I agree with the sentiment but when I say, "you get what you pay for", I don't mean it in the literal sense.

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Permalink Reply by joelturner on September 4, 2010 at 4:02am

@ michael, its not that i cant afford it, i mean im by no means well off but i can afford it but many people seem to agree that elman's style of hypnosis is second to none (correct me if im wrong) and i dont want to go to a 3 day course as i am looking for experience now. i feel that it would be a waste of money that could go towards something else, after all im not looking to go into hypnosis as a profession.

"I am not sure if I have any interest in helping you or not. It depends on if you are unable to afford live trainings in which case - I am happy to help or if you are just opposed to investing in your education in which case I will just ignore your posts."

im sorry that you feel so strongly but dont you think that is a little harsh coming from someone of experience to a beginner? after all you were in my shoes once and im not convinced you would have liked being patronized like that.

thanks everyone for suggestions, keep em coming, the more the better!

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Permalink Reply by Cheryl Westley on September 4, 2010 at 7:25am

Joel, please consider that the opinions you are receiving here ARE born of actual experience. And you DO get experiences in Live training courses... You are disagreeing with people who actually have the experience you are seeking. Don't knock it.

joelturner said:

im sorry that you feel so strongly but dont you think that is a little harsh coming from someone of experience to a beginner? after all you were in my shoes once and im not convinced you would have liked being patronized like that.

thanks everyone for suggestions, keep em coming, the more the better!

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on September 4, 2010 at 10:04am

Hello Joel,

In the late 1970's my interest in hypnosis skyrocketed after being helped personally by hypnotherapy. Although I did experiment on a few friends in 1981 and 1982 with some good results, it seemed apparent to me that I could not adequately learn to use hypnosis professionally without "hands on" training...so in 1983 I decided to make the investment in live training.

Fortunately a friend recommended Charles Tebbetts, who was my trainer and mentor. His opinion was that one cannot master any art, hypnosis included, simply by reading a few books or attending a short workshop of only two or three days. He believed that there is no substitute for practice to master an art with confidence and competence, and that one's training should include width and depth in a number of different techniques.

If you ever plan on using hypnosis professionally, you owe it to both yourself and your clients to invest in live training from a competent hypnosis instructor. Choose wisely, as there are some courses that are not worth the investment.

Review the hypnosis FAQ at my website:
http://www.royhunter.com/hypnofaq.htm

Many hypnosis schools around the world use one or more of my hypnosis texts for their students, so my comments come from years of experience using the art of hypnosis to help clients...as well as 23 years of experience teaching professional hypnosis to others.

Roy Hunter, PhD, FAPHP
www.royhunter.com

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Permalink Reply by joelturner on September 5, 2010 at 8:22am

thanks guys i'm kinda thinking about finding a training now but im gonna try to hypnotize some people first i think. theres no way i can hurt anyone so i might as well give it a shot as my suggestions would be for feeling refreshed etc at this level

@Connor: thats quite a coincidence, did you begin by reading that or by something else? i assume you still havent had training?

thanks everyone

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Permalink Reply by Mohammed Magsi on September 5, 2010 at 9:06am

Hi Joel,

Wayne is right to say that harm can be done using hypnosis without prior training and knowledge. While training we were suggested some script books and other books to read but when it comes to working professionally, some of those scripts don't work. Every session is different cos of client's needs or thinking pattern. While working as a therapist, I had a client who would not want to come out of hypnosis and after good 10mins of trying different techniques, I was able to bring the client back in the room and had to make sure that client was full awake before leaving my clinic.

The books only tell you so much about different techniques and ideas but a trainer will be able to share her/his knowledge, skills and experience which is essential. And the most important point is that your trainer to be there when you need help.

The hypnotherapist in the UK should have insurance before they start practise which you can't get until you can prove to the insurance company that you have trained from a registered institute. There are some really good training courses around the country and even Richard Bandler runs NLP courses in London which I am hoping to attend to expend my knowledge.

If you have any questions, send me an email.

Mohammed

PS: I am a full time practising advance clinical hypnotherapist and NLP consultant

joelturner said:

thanks guys i'm kinda thinking about finding a training now but im gonna try to hypnotize some people first i think. theres no way i can hurt anyone so i might as well give it a shot as my suggestions would be for feeling refreshed etc at this level

@Connor: thats quite a coincidence, did you begin by reading that or by something else? i assume you still havent had training?

thanks everyone

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Permalink Reply by Mohammed Magsi on September 5, 2010 at 12:58pm

Hi Connor,

You have given a very good example of 'robbing a bank'. You and I both know that it is possible to make certain people do something they do not want or wish to but are curious on conscious or subconscious level (and there was a case in Israel of man making women his slaves including investigation officer). Now I would like to believe that a professional and registered therapist would not cross the line.

If you were to practise hypnotherapy in the UK, you will find that training from recognised institute and insurance is essential. And the most important thing to consider is that you are working with an individual and her/his welfare is in your hands.

I hope this helps answer your question.

Mohammed

PS: I also provided an example of one of my client who would not come out of trance. The script books usually have a limited scripts on how to bring a client out of hypnosis.

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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on September 5, 2010 at 4:59pm

Joel, I favor Michael E.'s thinking (and others herein) that live training with a certified instructor is extraordinarily important and add that several hundred hours of study and practice are needed for adeptness. And if your goal is to practice hypnosis on a professional level, it is essential to have some bonafide certifications. That said, I will add for clarity, that an Elmanesque approach is just as respectable as a lot of others. Remember, however, that many methods, techniques and skills are needed to be a working hypnotist because different people will need different approaches. Thus it is useful, beneficial and practical to know a wide variety of inductions. Getting started in any way that you can, is commendable. However, be certain of your skill set before approaching and charging the general public for your services. As far as I know, insurance carriers only cover certified practitioners.

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Permalink Reply by Dennis Atkinson on September 5, 2010 at 5:55pm

I will add to the mix. Even a 3 day course that you mention will not prepare you for what you will encounter working as a hypnotist.

I would suggest completing a minimum of 300 hours in a comprehensive, hands on, live, in person school ... there are many around. And even with that, you will need to keep up with constant instruction just to keep up with the profession.

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Permalink Reply by Mohammed Magsi on September 6, 2010 at 9:27am

Hi Connor,

With respect to Joel, I would personally not agree with Joel using hypnosis on people without proper training and mentor but I do see your point in regards to using his learnt skills for legal and ethical suggestions.

I have not had a chance to read Dave Elman's book but I am curious and will get the book.

Mohammed

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on September 10, 2010 at 12:02pm

Hello Joel,

After reading everyone's comments as well as your responses to them, I would add some additional comments:

If you strongly wish to "practice" before getting training, LIMIT yourself to NON-therapeutic hypnosis only. There are some possible consequences if you use trance to help people without training, such as...

1. Most hypnosis professionals will not give suggestions to manage pain without a medical referral, because pain is a warning that something is wrong with the body. What if you gave suggestions to help remove a headache, but the headache was the symptom of either a brain tumor or internal bleeding?

2. Using hypnotic regression without adequate training can result in false memories and/or leave a client in a state of anxiety if he/she is jerked up immediately out of trance because the hypnotist does not know how to facilitate an abreaction.

3. Suggestion structure is important as well. If I say "Don't think of a dog" then most people will immediately imagine seeing a dog, or hearing a dog, and/or petting a dog. This is called "The law of reversed effect" and is often ignored by hypnotists who tell a client suggestions such as "You don't like chocolate any more..."

If you wish to practice non-therapeutic hypnosis sessions, consider my book, THE ART OF HYPNOSIS, which is available at my website:
http://www.royhunter.com/hypnosis_books.htm

Then before using hypnosis to help others overcome undesired habits, etc., get competent training.

Best wishes,
Roy Hunter, PhD, FAPHP
www.royhunter.com

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