Group Smoking Cessation Programs

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Permalink Reply by Donna Carter on January 27, 2010 at 4:43pm

Anytime someone puts together Easy + Money
it usually is accompanied by
Hard work trying to hide your own deficiencies.

It reminds me of the word 'white lie'.
Seems so innocent.
So, like...if one is ever to do it... it is accompanied by a billion questions.

For example, if I were to say to a person of whom I wanted to buy a dog:
ME: I would like a contract - when I give you money now - in 2 months you will give me a dog.
seller: why? you don't trust me?
ME: No, no...it's not that it's just (white lie follows) my parents had an incident when purchasing a horse and now I am cautious (mainy, it could be I am just cautious but thought it sounded better with an excuse?)
seller: what kind of horse?
ME: (....WHAT? who cares what kind of horse.... crap....find an answer) a quarterhorse.
seller: what happened?
ME: (WHAT?? who cares what happened..it's about the dog...lady....stay on topic!) Well, you see....when my parents did x,y, z,.... they got p.

You see my point. haha...
I mean, this was a total fictional story!
WHAT?
you don't believe me?
well, it doesn't matter,
easy money is like white lies.
It's easier to do the work up front and have more than a bogus foundation.

Oh... and I haven't seen either of those two you mentioned. I've been on a roll today, just talking about random stuff that comes to mind.
Carry on...
~D.
P.S. not sure where my spell check went. You can't tell me I spelled all those words correctly.

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 27, 2010 at 5:12pm

Donna,

That was quite a reply. I did not make much sense of it, but I appreciate your input.

First I would suggest that you look up David Botsford's program and you will see that it is very comprehensive and first class.

I assume from your profile picture that you are a young person with some very good ideals, but I think you missed my point. David Botsford charges somewhere around $350.00 for a person to attend his stop smoking seminar and he has a very good reputation. The seminar I purchased teaches one how to conduct his seminars. I am just wondering if there is anyone else out there conducting group seminars and yes there is good money in it.

I have an MBA and in business school the one thing they teach you very clearly is the "Theory of the firm" which basically states that business only exist to make profit and if the business does not make a profit the business will cease to exist. I bought the seminar to make money utilizing proven techniques and skills that are effective and that people are willing to pay for.

David

Donna Rodolph said:

Anytime someone puts together Easy + Money
it usually is accompanied by
Hard work trying to hide your own deficiencies.

It reminds me of the word 'white lie'.
Seems so innocent.
So, like...if one is ever to do it... it is accompanied by a billion questions.

For example, if I were to say to a person of whom I wanted to buy a dog:
ME: I would like a contract - when I give you money now - in 2 months you will give me a dog.
seller: why? you don't trust me?
ME: No, no...it's not that it's just (white lie follows) my parents had an incident when purchasing a horse and now I am cautious (mainy, it could be I am just cautious but thought it sounded better with an excuse?)
seller: what kind of horse?
ME: (....WHAT? who cares what kind of horse.... crap....find an answer) a quarterhorse.
seller: what happened?
ME: (WHAT?? who cares what happened..it's about the dog...lady....stay on topic!) Well, you see....when my parents did x,y, z,.... they got p.

You see my point. haha...
I mean, this was a total fictional story!
WHAT?
you don't believe me?
well, it doesn't matter,
easy money is like white lies.
It's easier to do the work up front and have more than a bogus foundation.

Oh... and I haven't seen either of those two you mentioned. I've been on a roll today, just talking about random stuff that comes to mind.
Carry on...
~D.
P.S. not sure where my spell check went. You can't tell me I spelled all those words correctly.

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 27, 2010 at 5:26pm

Ian,

Thanks for the reply. I guess I should clarify what I consider easy money. To do that one must consider how much work you put into something for how much you get paid. I worked as a welder for a good part of my life and that is physically hard, dirty, hot, smokey work. $20.00 an hour for welding is not much pay the the work put out. On the other hand I did a 60 minute stage show in a small bar with only two people and had a hell of lot of fun and got paid $60.00 now that is what I call easy money. I also have an MBA so I understand how business works real well and if I can put out a 4 hour seminar and make $1000.00 I call that easy money. Just my humble opinion.

I plan on conducting one locally and if it goes well I'm am going to hit the road. I just received my Jonathon Royale's Stop Smoking Group Session DVD's and I can do what he does in those videos easily ( I am a former school teacher, US Coast Guard Boat Captain, and Master Scuba Diving Instructor that trained 1231 people how to scuba dive). I should also mention that I just quit smoking myself after 40 years using NLP and Self Hypnosis so I am primed for this.

David

David

Ian Jay said:

Smoking cessation is hard work!

First, you should accept only clients who are totally committed to stop. If the correct motivation is not there, no amount of CBT and/or hypnosis will have a lasting effect.

If you live in a small community you will wish to develop a good reputation. If you offer the traveling roadshow, you visit a new town every week, leave the next morning, and smile as you pay the cash into the bank.

I am not trying to discourage you, but do a few sessions for free, in the guise of an experiment - so there is no loss of face if it fails. (A good tip from Jonathon Chase there). Also, don't be over confident if the client walks out a none smoker - keep in touch and see how they are doing after 3 & 6 months.

In answer to your question - yes, I do (6 hour+) smoking cessation group sessions. And it is NOT easy money!

Best of luck ...

Ian

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 27, 2010 at 6:11pm

Ian,

Thanks again for the reply. The one thing I like about this site is it does allow one to connect with other hypnotists who have similar beliefs. It is responses from people like yourself that keep me coming back to this site.

I would really like to hear more about your 6 hour sessions. I have sent you a friend request and maybe you can send me some more detailed information. I would love to hear more about your experiences in conducting group sessions.

David

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Permalink Reply by Donna Carter on January 27, 2010 at 9:04pm

David,
As I said, I was commenting on a random thing that you said, so...yes, I did go off topic. But I think I said as much which indicates that since I said so...I'm not sure how you missed my point. Normally people follow me off topic quite easily...unless they are on the sauce. ~eyebrows raised~
I'm not sure where I went wrong with this paricular communication.
But, then...it was off topic - so you can easily pretend I wasn't here and disregard the entire thing.
Yes, yes...you'll find it easy to forget I said anything.
~D.
P.S. thank you - I do have good ideals...


David Lynn said:

Donna,

That was quite a reply. I did not make much sense of it, but I appreciate your input.

First I would suggest that you look up David Botsford's program and you will see that it is very comprehensive and first class.

I assume from your profile picture that you are a young person with some very good ideals, but I think you missed my point.

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Permalink Reply by Pattie Freeman CH.t, MST on January 27, 2010 at 10:05pm

It's all timing...I have done them some went well and others didn't. Actually certain time of the year wil bring more and the right pricing and .location. You can make good money doing it and I find I got alot of calls wanting private sessions instead so it helped my provate practice to gain more clients and also do the seminar...Good Luck and I will have to look at his site and see what he offers and what is different ....but I agree with the others It's alot of work but once you learn the outline of setting it up the next one after that becomes easier...sometimes you invest in the Advertisement and it doesn;t pan out and sometimes dont cover the expenses and other times you might get a big enough crowd that gets you some profit...Its harder work then a stage show..at least with a stage show when I show up I know I will be paid and there will be a audience...

All I know is that the smoking seminars I see offer guranatees. which we all know there is no guarnatees then these people think this is for other sessions with other hypnotherapist referring to guarnatees. So be careful what you tell them and make sure not to promise something you can not deliver....

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 28, 2010 at 4:34am

Thanks Pattie,

Your response is the genuine type of response that I am looking for. I appreciate your honesty and advice. I have checked with the local library and they offer large meeting rooms for free. I am thinking I will put an ad in the paper for people who are interested in finding out more about stopping smoking to come to the library on a scheduled date. Then I can promote the seminar and private sessions without any great expense.

Also thanks for the advice on the sound system.

David

Pattie Freeman Ch.t, said:

It's all timing...I have done them some went well and others didn't. Actually certain time of the year wil bring more and the right pricing and .location. You can make good money doing it and I find I got alot of calls wanting private sessions instead so it helped my provate practice to gain more clients and also do the seminar...Good Luck and I will have to look at his site and see what he offers and what is different ....but I agree with the others It's alot of work but once you learn the outline of setting it up the next one after that becomes easier...sometimes you invest in the Advertisement and it doesn;t pan out and sometimes dont cover the expenses and other times you might get a big enough crowd that gets you some profit...Its harder work then a stage show..at least with a stage show when I show up I know I will be paid and there will be a audience...

All I know is that the smoking seminars I see offer guranatees. which we all know there is no guarnatees then these people think this is for other sessions with other hypnotherapist referring to guarnatees. So be careful what you tell them and make sure not to promise something you can not deliver....

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 28, 2010 at 4:39am

Donna,

Thank you for engaging in the topic. From your response I take it you have no experience doing group sessions?

David


















Donna Rodolph said:

David,
As I said, I was commenting on a random thing that you said, so...yes, I did go off topic. But I think I said as much which indicates that since I said so...I'm not sure how you missed my point. Normally people follow me off topic quite easily...unless they are on the sauce. ~eyebrows raised~
I'm not sure where I went wrong with this paricular communication.
But, then...it was off topic - so you can easily pretend I wasn't here and disregard the entire thing.
Yes, yes...you'll find it easy to forget I said anything.
~D.
P.S. thank you - I do have good ideals...


David Lynn said:

Donna,

That was quite a reply. I did not make much sense of it, but I appreciate your input.

First I would suggest that you look up David Botsford's program and you will see that it is very comprehensive and first class.

I assume from your profile picture that you are a young person with some very good ideals, but I think you missed my point.

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on January 28, 2010 at 6:31am

Hi David,

I have yet to conduct a group session for smoking cessation, but my county here in Wash. State has a couple of "Stop Tobacco Use" coalitions (one comprised of high school students). I've been in contact with them regarding offering hypnosis for group sessions and they are highly interested. They will do the promoting and provide the participants for me! Another approach is to contact hospitals who usually have health fairs and on-going classes and services for the general public. And, your local public library is often available for either free or inexpensive fees for group meetings.

Have fun and best wishes,

Kelley

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on January 28, 2010 at 7:33am

Daivd-

I led dozens of free stop smoking workshops for people with AIDS related fears and conditions-

Ddepending on your skills a high percentage of attendees will stop smoking -- As others have pointed out results can vary depending on the motivation and desires of the participants.

My advice is experiment outside of your practice area and offer your services where you live and plan to work after you have mastered running these groups.

Best of luck-

Michael E.

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Permalink Reply by Donna Carter on January 28, 2010 at 3:03pm

David,
No, I have not done group sessions.
I stutter, my hands go to sleep, and I nearly pass out...while giving presentations (thank god for hypnosis - I used to look like I was having 'fits' and would have to run from the room...just talking to PTA ladies).
I did a presentation a few weekends ago and from the clients I have received from it...I could tell they noticed how poised I was. If I repeated words it was on purpose and the dropping of the eraser was to get their attention...and the leaning against the bar (to be sure I didn't hit the floor too hard) was such a relaxed stance as to give the perception that I was calm and new what I was talking about.

It may be a while longer before I venture to group sessions.
I look forward to hearing of your progress.

~D.

David Lynn said:

Donna,
Thank you for engaging in the topic. From your response I take it you have no experience doing group sessions? David

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 28, 2010 at 4:55pm

Thanks Donna,

I appreciate you sharing your experiences with me. I have done a lot of teaching different subjects at the high school and community college level but stage and group hypnosis is something that I am just getting into. I did my first impromptu small show in a bar a couple of weeks ago and it really went well so now I am ready to expand it with sound effects which I didn't have then.

I am really serious about doing the smoking cessation group sessions and I have accumulated what I consider to be some top shelf training resources and advice. Now I am just seeking real life stories from people who have actually done smoking cessation group therapy. I realize not everyone is going to stop smoking through hypnosis and I don't plan on guaranteeing that they will. It is like any other therapy program, there are no magic panaceas, and if hypnosis was one we would all be rich. I am going to just market it has a highly effective method for those who are really ready to quit. It is like health equipment and diet programs. Consumers buy tons of it but it will only work if they use it correctly. I have no intentions of misleading anyone with the program that I am going to offer. I will tell you one thing that really surprised me in my research and that is the Allan Carr method. His book sold 12 million copies and a great majority of the people that just read his book stopped smoking. I plan to offer a program that will be a hybrid of Allen Carr's method, David Botsford's Method, and utilizing NLP and Hypnosis. I am thinking of a 4 hour seminar done on a weekend for $75.00. What do you think about the time, content, and pricing? I would like your opinion since you have done group work. Thanks

David

David

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