Group Smoking Cessation Programs

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 28, 2010 at 5:08pm

Jonathon,

Thanks for chiming in. I believe you are absolutely correct in what you teach in your dvd's and it was really your dvd's that convinced me I could do this right away. I don't know why a lot of other hypnotists make such a big fuss over the issue of offering group stop smoking sessions. I look at it just like any other therapy. People certainly don't get a guarantee when the drop their $40.00 a week at Walmart for the patches or if they pay to go to talk therapy with a psychologist. Anyway I have very thick skin and a high level of confidence so I don't let other peoples opinions deter me. I just thought I would get more honest feed back from people who have either conducted group sessions or are thinking about it themselves.

David

Dr. Jonathan Royle aka Alex Smith said:

Do what I say on the dvds yu have David and you can and will make money just like the many people I have taught thi process to who are doing the same!

Last group session I did earnt me over £2K profit for 90 minutes work and the organisation was done by someone else (my profit was after paying them to organise : )

Stay away from negativ poeple who tell you it cant be done or should not be done,

My system has got me on TV and Radio and they did follow up checks weeks later and discovered that people were still NON smokers,

By the way David Botsford attended my Theres No Such Thing As Hypnosis Semiar many years ago and only a few years later after help nd advice from me started to run his own events...

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 28, 2010 at 5:19pm

Michael,

Thanks for the response. You give some good advice and I would normally start outside the town I am living in but this town is ready for this and it is convenient, not to mention I am currently unemployed and need to kick this off before I am completely out of money.

I did look into purchasing a Peavey Escort 3000 portable PA system today and stoped by a place and discussed having them produce professional dvds and cds as well as filming some of the events that I put on locally. I am also only 45 minutes from the world famous "Branson" home of all the country stars show palaces. I am going to try and get in one of the comedy clubs there.

David

Michael Ellner said:

Daivd-

I led dozens of free stop smoking workshops for people with AIDS related fears and conditions-

Ddepending on your skills a high percentage of attendees will stop smoking -- As others have pointed out results can vary depending on the motivation and desires of the participants.

My advice is experiment outside of your practice area and offer your services where you live and plan to work after you have mastered running these groups.

Best of luck-

Michael E.

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Permalink Reply by Donna Carter on January 28, 2010 at 6:27pm

I don't know you, yet, but uh...have you noticed how I tend to answer all questions as if I know exactly what I am talking about? Like... hello! Wooooo....Well, I know it can be considered an annoyance to some people (my husband?) and I do try to be self aware, but even after saying that...I wrote this:

I Love Allen Carr and would be interested to see how you put it all together. Crud, with all this talking...and moving...and motivational energy....
I feel when I read all your posts, Ohhhh my heck! it's electric in here!
you almost have me convinced I need to go do this, too. haha You Go Guy!! I'm all for moving forward and getting stuff done. Movin' on up!

Ya, but tell me... Do you read my missives in the pub?. ~the sauce?~
I have not done....like, .....group group work.
No...I have done presentations.
So, I suppose if you call.... imagining a lemon - group work, well okay now! that's what I'm talkin' about.
But hey, my uneducated group work opinion is... you rock! moving forward, making progress....ouch.
My opinion on the:
Time: depends on the content.
Content: I can only presume what the content is since only the basic titles were shared.... however, if you see gold nuggets in the information you have...I think it is a good guess others will see those gold nuggets as well.
Pricing: I think it's too low. What? It is! Your information has VALUE. If you believe in it, you have used some part of this process successfully with clients in your own office, You have researched, organized, and are giving them the best of three great products in one? You are saving them a lifetime of ill health. You are saving them thousands of dollars just by not having to purchase cigarettes and lighters ever again. You are saving them social pariah syndrome (DSM IV?) - geez...
That price reeks of doing it because you need the money.
What would the price be if you didn't need the money...and instead placed a value on your information?
If it's still $75 after you ask that...
well then,
the price is correct.

~D.



David Lynn said:

What do you think about the time, content, and pricing? I would like your opinion since you have done group work. Thanks
David

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 28, 2010 at 7:23pm

Thanks for the reply Donna. Now we are getting somewhere... I choose the price of $75.00 because the average wage in this area is about $10.00 an hour (Southern Missouri) and the two hypnotists that I talked to who live here charge $125.00 for an hour to an hour and a half, but they haven't been getting a lot of business.

I agree with you that the information is worth more but I am not sure the market will bear more. Therefore, I have adapted Walmart's philosophy, sell more for less and make a lot more people happy.

You are right about the material having golden nuggets. I am an educator by profession and have completed all but my dissertation in a PhD program in Leadership in Educational Administration. I tell you that not to brag, but so that you will know that I am a professional researcher and when I research a topic I do a thorough job of it. I also specialize in developing customized curriculum. You can bet the course I put together will be pulled from the best of what is out there.

I will let you know how it all turns out. Thanks again for your input.

David

Donna Rodolph said:

I don't know you, yet, but uh...have you noticed how I tend to answer all questions as if I know exactly what I am talking about? Like... hello! Wooooo....Well, I know it can be considered an annoyance to some people (my husband?) and I do try to be self aware, but even after saying that...I wrote this:

I Love Allen Carr and would be interested to see how you put it all together. Crud, with all this talking...and moving...and motivational energy....
I feel when I read all your posts, Ohhhh my heck! it's electric in here!
you almost have me convinced I need to go do this, too. haha You Go Guy!! I'm all for moving forward and getting stuff done. Movin' on up!

Ya, but tell me... Do you read my missives in the pub?. ~the sauce?~
I have not done....like, .....group group work.
No...I have done presentations.
So, I suppose if you call.... imagining a lemon - group work, well okay now! that's what I'm talkin' about.
But hey, my uneducated group work opinion is... you rock! moving forward, making progress....ouch.
My opinion on the:
Time: depends on the content.
Content: I can only presume what the content is since only the basic titles were shared.... however, if you see gold nuggets in the information you have...I think it is a good guess others will see those gold nuggets as well.
Pricing: I think it's too low. What? It is! Your information has VALUE. If you believe in it, you have used some part of this process successfully with clients in your own office, You have researched, organized, and are giving them the best of three great products in one? You are saving them a lifetime of ill health. You are saving them thousands of dollars just by not having to purchase cigarettes and lighters ever again. You are saving them social pariah syndrome (DSM IV?) - geez...
That price reeks of doing it because you need the money.
What would the price be if you didn't need the money...and instead placed a value on your information?
If it's still $75 after you ask that...
well then,
the price is correct.

~D.



David Lynn said:

What do you think about the time, content, and pricing? I would like your opinion since you have done group work. Thanks
David

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Permalink Reply by Saul Rosenfeld on January 28, 2010 at 8:48pm

Greetings all,

It's half past the "witching hour" (at least it is here in scenic New Joisey), and I feel the need to offer a bit of sardonic "advice" to end the day (or actually, to start off the NEW day!), so here goes:

My wife and I smoked for almost 25 years (Marlboro was our poison of choice). She smoked about a pack a day, and I smoked almost two-and-a-half packs a day (that was NOT a typo!). My parents nagged me to stop. My WIFE nagged me to stop (because she couldn't stop if I kept smoking in the same house). I didn't WANT to stop. I was able to jog 10 kilometers on the beach 4 times a week, and played tennis every single day (usually for at least 2 hours but sometimes for 3 or 4) in SPITE of my nasty disgusting habit. My lungs were functioning perfectly, and I was NEVER short of breath.
But then, ONE fateful day, I mistakenly sat in the "no smoking" section of a train; and when I felt an urge/craving to light up, I walked over to the adjoining "smoking" car. As soon as I opened the connecting door I was almost bowled over by this filthy cloying STENCH of old smoke and butts from the unemptied ashtrays, and it grossed me out SO much that I decided to quit right then and there. I told my wife when I got home, and that was it:
cold turkey!
Was it easy? Nah, we felt like shyt warmed over for a week or so, and irritable to boot. The second week was much easier, and it only felt like we had a very mild flu. After the second week had passed, no problemo!
Over and out!
That was waaaaaay back in April, 1982.

So here's the "sardonic" part: NO hypnosis; NO "nicotine patches"; no NOTHING! Just this little thing called
"SELF CONTROL"!
Tell your groups to quit whining like pathetic wimps and SUCK IT UP (well, that's probably a poor choice of words LOL)!
MILLIONS of people are going around bitching & moaning as if it's as bad as kicking HEROIN for Christ's sake!
They hear it from their "friends" who don't have the stones to quit themselves and, as we all know,
"misery loves company".
They hear it from all those commercials that tout all kinds of pharmaceutical aids to help them kick the habit without climbing the walls or going stark raving MAD from "withdrawal".
But all they really NEED is some "help" in the form of stern encouragement to MAN UP and GROW A PAIR! (sorry ladies, I don't mean to sound "sexist"- I just don't know what politically correct analogy would be appropriate for the female anatomy).
LOL

Anyway, that felt good to finally get off my (smoke free) chest!

Saul

www.HistoryOfHypnotism.com

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 28, 2010 at 9:28pm

Saul,

That was an excellent story and I agree with you 100% and that is why I am going to do stop smoking seminars as a business. I get the feeling there are a lot of hypnotist out there who won't do the group stop smoking seminars because they will feel some moral or ethical quilt if the people don't stop smoking. Hypnosis is just another option they have to choose from, I am not going to guarantee them they will stop. I am going to offer them an alternative solution for those who are really ready and willing to quit. My wife goes to this psychologist for some personal guidance and I can guarantee you I pay the bill whether she gets the right answers she's seeking or not. When it comes to therapy of any kind there are no guarantees.

Therapy (in Greek: θεραπεία), or treatment, is the attempted remediation of a health problem, usually following a diagnosis. In the medical field, it is synonymous with the word "treatment".

A supportive therapy is one that does not treat or improve the underlying condition, but instead increases the patient's comfort.[1] Supportive treatment may be palliative care.
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David

Saul Rosenfeld said:

Greetings all,

It's half past the "witching hour" (at least it is here in scenic New Joisey), and I feel the need to offer a bit of sardonic "advice" to end the day (or actually, to start off the NEW day!), so here goes:

My wife and I smoked for almost 25 years (Marlboro was our poison of choice). She smoked about a pack a day, and I smoked almost two-and-a-half packs a day (that was NOT a typo!). My parents nagged me to stop. My WIFE nagged me to stop (because she couldn't stop if I kept smoking in the same house). I didn't WANT to stop. I was able to jog 10 kilometers on the beach 4 times a week, and played tennis every single day (usually for at least 2 hours but sometimes for 3 or 4) in SPITE of my nasty disgusting habit. My lungs were functioning perfectly, and I was NEVER short of breath.
But then, ONE fateful day, I mistakenly sat in the "no smoking" section of a train; and when I felt an urge/craving to light up, I walked over to the adjoining "smoking" car. As soon as I opened the connecting door I was almost bowled over by this filthy cloying STENCH of old smoke and butts from the unemptied ashtrays, and it grossed me out SO much that I decided to quit right then and there. I told my wife when I got home, and that was it:
cold turkey!
Was it easy? Nah, we felt like shyt warmed over for a week or so, and irritable to boot. The second week was much easier, and it only felt like we had a very mild flu. After the second week had passed, no problemo!
Over and out!
That was waaaaaay back in April, 1982.

So here's the "sardonic" part: NO hypnosis; NO "nicotine patches"; no NOTHING! Just this little thing called
"SELF CONTROL"!
Tell your groups to quit whining like pathetic wimps and SUCK IT UP (well, that's probably a poor choice of words LOL)!
MILLIONS of people are going around bitching & moaning as if it's as bad as kicking HEROIN for Christ's sake!
They hear it from their "friends" who don't have the stones to quit themselves and, as we all know,
"misery loves company".
They hear it from all those commercials that tout all kinds of pharmaceutical aids to help them kick the habit without climbing the walls or going stark raving MAD from "withdrawal".
But all they really NEED is some "help" in the form of stern encouragement to MAN UP and GROW A PAIR! (sorry ladies, I don't mean to sound "sexist"- I just don't know what politically correct analogy would be appropriate for the female anatomy).
LOL

Anyway, that felt good to finally get off my (smoke free) chest!

Saul

www.HistoryOfHypnotism.com

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Permalink Reply by David Lynn on January 29, 2010 at 4:17am

Ian,

I would be happy to read this research article. Could you please email it to me. Thanks

David

Ian Jay said:

It is universally accepted that empirical evidence to support smoking cessation claims is generally absent or flawed. Perhaps one of the best examples of a reasonable study is the 2006 trial by H. Moshammera and M. Neuberger. See below.

However, although this study indicated a 51.4% success rate at 12 months, one must note that it was undertaken in an Austrian steel plant, and one of the questions that you should ask yourself is - Is the psyche of the Austrian, say, the same as the British? I think not. Although I am no expert on the Austrian psyche, having lived close to their borders for 10 years has given me an insight into their culture. And it is far removed from that of the British. (I am British)

I suspect that if this study were replicated in the UK, then the results would not be the same. And I would offer a range of 35-45% success at 12 months.

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Long term success of short smoking cessation seminars supported by occupational health care

H. Moshammera and M. Neuberger
Department of Preventive Medicine, Institute of Environmental Health, Medical University of Vienna,

Abstract
The objective of this longitudinal (3 year) study was to determine predictors of abstinence in 515 employees of a steel plant (28% female, age 18–67 years) after participation in Allen Carr seminars (intensive group counselling in a single session of 6 h). Answers given in computer aided phone interviews were analysed by stepwise and Cox regression. Of 510 responding persons 262 (51.4%) reported continuing abstinence. In a random sample of 61 respondents cotinine concentration in urine was measured, showing high agreement with smoking history. Social support increased abstinence, which was more persistent in males and office workers. Also in female participants the non-smoking spouse was a significant predictor for abstinence while a higher body weight predicted relapse. Relapsed female smokers did not show a sustainable reduction of cigarette consumption. Compared to cessation clinics higher population coverage would be achievable by workplace seminars. Every second smoker motivated to participate seems to be able to quit even without medication and to stay abstinent. Especially in females these seminars should be followed by physical exercise and continued support of gender specific occupational health care.

> Should anyone want a copy of the study I have it in PDF format. Let me have your email and I will send it.

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Permalink Reply by Saul Rosenfeld on January 29, 2010 at 5:52am

Thanks for your comment David, much obliged.
Although I wrote that (100% TRUE) account in a sarcastic style, the point I was trying to make was that people who want to quit smoking should be treated to a little bit of "tough love" along with their hypnosis sessions, and made to realize that it WILL require some effort on their part (self control!!), and it WILL be somewhat uncomfortable for a week or so having to resist the urge- but SO WHAT!? It will be WORTH it, and they'll benefit for the REST of their LIVES if they just grow a backbone and "tough it out" for a few weeks!

I have no way to "prove" it to you (nor do I feel the slightest need to), but my success rate with smokers was around 90% (NOT a typo). On the other hand, I didn't conduct any "long term" studies, and have no idea how many of them REMAINED "non-smokers" permanently.

Saul

www.HistoryOfHypnotism.com



David Lynn said:

Saul,
That was an excellent story and I agree with you 100% and that is why I am going to do stop smoking seminars as a business. I get the feeling there are a lot of hypnotist out there who won't do the group stop smoking seminars because they will feel some moral or ethical quilt if the people don't stop smoking. Hypnosis is just another option they have to choose from, I am not going to guarantee them they will stop. I am going to offer them an alternative solution for those who are really ready and willing to quit. My wife goes to this psychologist for some personal guidance and I can guarantee you I pay the bill whether she gets the right answers she's seeking or not. When it comes to therapy of any kind there are no guarantees. Therapy (in Greek: θεραπεία), or treatment, is the attempted remediation of a health problem, usually following a diagnosis. In the medical field, it is synonymous with the word "treatment".

A supportive therapy is one that does not treat or improve the underlying condition, but instead increases the patient's comfort.[1] Supportive treatment may be palliative care.
Contents
[hide]

David

Saul Rosenfeld said:

Greetings all,

It's half past the "witching hour" (at least it is here in scenic New Joisey), and I feel the need to offer a bit of sardonic "advice" to end the day (or actually, to start off the NEW day!), so here goes: My wife and I smoked for almost 25 years (Marlboro was our poison of choice). She smoked about a pack a day, and I smoked almost two-and-a-half packs a day (that was NOT a typo!). My parents nagged me to stop. My WIFE nagged me to stop (because she couldn't stop if I kept smoking in the same house). I didn't WANT to stop. I was able to jog 10 kilometers on the beach 4 times a week, and played tennis every single day (usually for at least 2 hours but sometimes for 3 or 4) in SPITE of my nasty disgusting habit. My lungs were functioning perfectly, and I was NEVER short of breath. But then, ONE fateful day, I mistakenly sat in the "no smoking" section of a train; and when I felt an urge/craving to light up, I walked over to the adjoining "smoking" car. As soon as I opened the connecting door I was almost bowled over by this filthy cloying STENCH of old smoke and butts from the unemptied ashtrays, and it grossed me out SO much that I decided to quit right then and there. I told my wife when I got home, and that was it:
cold turkey!
Was it easy? Nah, we felt like shyt warmed over for a week or so, and irritable to boot. The second week was much easier, and it only felt like we had a very mild flu. After the second week had passed, no problemo!
Over and out!
That was waaaaaay back in April, 1982.

So here's the "sardonic" part: NO hypnosis; NO "nicotine patches"; no NOTHING! Just this little thing called
"SELF CONTROL"!
Tell your groups to quit whining like pathetic wimps and SUCK IT UP (well, that's probably a poor choice of words LOL)!
MILLIONS of people are going around bitching & moaning as if it's as bad as kicking HEROIN for Christ's sake!
They hear it from their "friends" who don't have the stones to quit themselves and, as we all know,
"misery loves company".
They hear it from all those commercials that tout all kinds of pharmaceutical aids to help them kick the habit without climbing the walls or going stark raving MAD from "withdrawal".
But all they really NEED is some "help" in the form of stern encouragement to MAN UP and GROW A PAIR! (sorry ladies, I don't mean to sound "sexist"- I just don't know what politically correct analogy would be appropriate for the female anatomy).
LOL

Anyway, that felt good to finally get off my (smoke free) chest!

Saul

www.HistoryOfHypnotism.com

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Permalink Reply by Debi A. Johnson on May 5, 2010 at 3:12am

Hi David,

Which of the two DVD programs did you find most useful? I was going to order one of them ... I had an opportunity fall into my lap ... a large aviation company called me last week and their company is going smoke free at the end of the year. So they have asked me to come in and do group sessions for smoking cessation with their employees. So I am excited about the opportunity, but usually I do 4 individual sessions with my clients - so this will be fun to tailor it for a group setting. I will be going to their company once a week for 4 weeks, to work with their employees ... it should be fun, but I wanted to get one of the DVD programs you mentioned. so any feedback would be appreciated. :0

debi johnson

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