Help for salt addiction

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Permalink Reply by Natalie on June 12, 2009 at 5:51am

Hi Debbie
I done a little research and it seems that for every ounce of salt intake the body holds 6 pounds of excess fluid, so that in itself can cause a weight problem long term, then the body becomes dependant on the salt to mainatain , thus if one was to drasticallt reduce the salt intake it could cause physical withdrawel. Therefore changes to diet would be a start, organic salt or sodium would be more benefical and this is a natural substance present in fruit, vegetables, nuts and seeds. Personally i would suggest addiction and withdrawel therapy, and the use of auto and subliminal suggestion for healthier diet. Dont know if that is of any help
Natalie

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Permalink Reply by Donna Carter on June 12, 2009 at 7:08am

I would educate her on salt....what it is and what it isn't.

Unrefined sea salt has over 100 minerals that are beneficial to the body. Natural salts are 'needed' by the body and functions properly in the body when all these other components are still intact. (it is even studied, tested, and documented...people with high blood pressure (with no weigh issues) who have changed from poison salt to a good sea salt...found reduction in their blood pressure! 'tis true.)
Refined Salt, however....is nothing more than poison. ~grin~ Can we all say: Heroin or white sugar? (no wonder it is addicting).
She should immediately change from the crud salt to the Celtic Sea Salt in its natural form. (sold at most health stores). It is good to note, though...the salt should be slightly colored. Some are a tint of gray and some a tint of purple. Some products on the market call themselves "sea salt" but it is nothing more than crap processed salt. Don't buy it...if you can't see it through the container.

The addiction to the chips, peanuts, and salty foods... can be more than just salt addiction. Many of the foods that the heroin salt ~evil grin~ is on...are products that also are loaded with the bad fats that, too, are addicting. You would have to battle both in order to combat effectively, the one. Many things when it comes down to health issues (be it weight, pain, illness)...can be helped with focusing on a healthy diet.

Education is KEY to changing a lifestyle. Lately...I have recommended a book(s) to a few people and it looks like it is more motivating than most. I think it is because it is written by the son of the man who helped create Baskin & Robbins franchise. His name is: John Robbins: The Food Revolution (his latest) and Diet for a New America (one of his best). Both his books, at the very least, help a person to become aware of misconceptions. They both are interesting reads...full of helpful information. I have also recommended these books on CD for those people who do not like to read. Education, education, education. haha. It changes lives.

Good luck with your client.
~D.

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Permalink Reply by the grumpy hypnotist on June 12, 2009 at 7:20am

Especially since this person presents anxiety along with cravings, you may want to study "The Secret Language of Feelings" model developed by Cal Banyan. It is a useful way of thinking about how people use various substances to satisfy emotions inappropriately. When this model is explained to this type of client during pre-talk you can often see a light-bulb going off above their head. Along with that model there is a good free script on his site called "overeating rut" --- but it can be applied to any craving type of scenario. The combination can work very well to help clients easily disconnect emotions from food.

PS. I would not encourage the client to frame this behavior as a "salt addiction". It's unnecessary to emphasize or suggest that this behavior will be difficult to change.

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Permalink Reply by Neil on June 12, 2009 at 10:44am

How-de,

Make the client phobic of raw-salt.

Give the client a compulsion to eat and live healthily.

Love and respect Neil.

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Taylor on June 12, 2009 at 10:45am

I agree that the "Secret Language of Feeling" is a wonderful book and helps me explain to my customer a great deal of what may be behind their issues.

Also I heard and am wondering if anyone else has heard that some alcaholics have depleted salt and crave it. I've known a couple and work with one. The one I work with takes salt and puts it on the back of his thumb as if he were doing shots of tequila at lunch time. Has anyone heard this? Just curious.

Bruce Taylor

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Permalink Reply by Steve Andrade on June 12, 2009 at 10:55am

Hello Mr. Grumpy,

Excellent piece of advice to remember not only here for this situation, but any other chance this bit of advice can fit.

Grumpy says: PS. I would not encourage the client to frame this behavior as a "salt addiction". It's unnecessary to emphasize or suggest that this behavior will be difficult to change.

Also I get a good feeling about the direction regarding, "The Secret Language of Feelings." I plan on looking into it, it sounds like good stuff.

the grumpy hypnotist said:

Especially since this person presents anxiety along with cravings, you may want to study "The Secret Language of Feelings" model developed by Cal Banyan. It is a useful way of thinking about how people use various substances to satisfy emotions inappropriately. When this model is explained to this type of client during pre-talk you can often see a light-bulb going off above their head. Along with that model there is a good free script on his site called "overeating rut" --- but it can be applied to any craving type of scenario. The combination can work very well to help clients easily disconnect emotions from food.

PS. I would not encourage the client to frame this behavior as a "salt addiction". It's unnecessary to emphasize or suggest that this behavior will be difficult to change.

Neil,
I'm sure there are times where it can be good to create phobia's but I think if there is another way to make things work, I would personnally lean that way.
I also think it can be hit and miss giving someone something, (the suggestion for a complusion to eat and live healthily), that they may, or may not want, ....not saying it is impossible, just thinking out loud.

Enjoy,
Steve

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Permalink Reply by Donna Carter on June 12, 2009 at 11:44am

Neil,
I would strongly hesitate to suggest a phobic reaction to salt.

It is essential to get small amounts of sodium in your diet each day. It helps transmit nerve impluses and influences contraction and relaxation of muscles, as well as...helping to keep your body in balance and maintain fluid levels.
The problem more likely isn't the salt per say...
If the person notices they are eating too much salt, it is an indicator that their ENTIRE diet is poor.
Without salt... we would all die.


~D.

Neil said:

How-de,

Make the client phobic of raw-salt.

Give the client a compulsion to eat and live healthily.

Love and respect Neil.

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Taylor on June 12, 2009 at 11:52am

I agree Donna, I think we are to elimate phobia's not create them even if it was meant well.

Bruce Taylor

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Permalink Reply by Donna Carter on June 12, 2009 at 11:54am

Grumpy,
I do plan on checking out "the secret language of feelings" it is one book I have yet to come across.
However, I am curious if the script follows what the title implies?
The title insinuates that a person should 'cut back' on what they are eating. This is 20th century thinking and it makes me annoyed ~grin~ that more people are not moving past that idea at a more rapid pace. It isn't an "Overeating rut" that people are in. It is an "Eating Crap rut" that seems to plague the masses.
The quicker people grab onto this new and improved 21st century idea...the quicker and more long lasting their (weight loss, illness recovery, etc.) results will be.
I have yet to see someone overeat good whole foods.
~D.

the grumpy hypnotist said:

Especially since this person presents anxiety along with cravings, you may want to study "The Secret Language of Feelings" model developed by Cal Banyan. It is a useful way of thinking about how people use various substances to satisfy emotions inappropriately. When this model is explained to this type of client during pre-talk you can often see a light-bulb going off above their head. Along with that model there is a good free script on his site called "overeating rut" --- but it can be applied to any craving type of scenario.

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Permalink Reply by Neil on June 12, 2009 at 2:06pm

Cheers,

Like my grand mother used to say (just before I learnt to instantaneously cringe at the thought of eating the cat-pooh I'd find in the garden) :

Some things are so not good for you, and that it's better to realised that on a deep level.
In fact, you shouldn't even have to think about it at all!

Isn't a phobia simply an instantaneous reaction to stimulus. One which does not require thought. It may be that you have no use for phobias in your life. Cool!

I prefer to keep mine. Like the one that prevents me, and presumably most people from telling the police officer to 'fuck-off' when he offers me a speeding ticket. I'm not phobic of the officer; just my reaction in given circumstance.

Isn't that an instananeous response that doesn't require thought?
Phobias are not 'bad'. Only phobias that are inappropriate.

The only reason you walked out of your home this morning with your pants on, is because you have a compulsion to do so. Compulsions are not bad. Only compulsions that are un-useful!

Compulsions are not necessarily driven by fear or negative energy. They simply are.
You can be compelled to do things at differing levels of intensity. I am compelled, in the right setting and at the right time (triggers) to explain to my wife in great detail why she is the most precious person I know. I haven't needed a therapist for that one yet!

Others are compelled to beat the crap out of theirs (with the right triggers). Now they do need a therapist!

The client presumably requires hypnotic work done that leads to 'not having a weight problem'.
Call me thick, but doesn't that by definition and all modern scientific research require 'a consistent and sustained approach to a healthy lifestyle'?

Being consistent in your food and exercise requires sustained effort. What is the difference between this and the word compulsion? The only difference is that you do not have to convince your self to go to the gym; you JUST DO IT!

If the client has a low-sodium blood level, send her to the medical doctor.
If she simply pigs out too often on flavour enhancing salt, then she's already got a compulsion. If she didn't, then why can't she just say no? Just like any addict, she's compelled to do it.

There are droves of people who don't touch raw salt under any circumstances. The British government won't even allow it to be added to school meals during cooking. It is too easily available in western diets to become a 'deficiency'. Don't take my word for it, ask the client's doctor.

Steve, I love your face. It's really happy.
Thanks for your thoughts.

I do not believe in suggestions in the way most others do. I prefer to make the client comply or die trying.
None of my clients have died yet; at least I don't think so.

I understand that there is a culture of 'suggestion-suggestion-suggestion' in hypnosis groups. The reality is, only a very few respond to 'suggestion'.

My experience is that the only type who responds to suggestion is a weak-willed people pleaser who's value to please is higher than the value attached to the problem. i.e. I'd better get rid of this problem because the big, important hypnotist says so.

If one is in the subconscious mind of another, what's the point of being there?
To give a suggestion?

Be real. You are there because you are in control of the clients subconscious processes.
If you are not, then what are you doing?
Just talking to a relaxed person that's what!

What is your client anxious about?

Love and respect Neil.

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Permalink Reply by Donna Carter on June 12, 2009 at 3:34pm

Neil said:

Phobias are not 'bad'. Only phobias that are inappropriate. .

The fact that a phobia is an 'unreasonable' fear...would indicate that all phobias are inappropriate, wouldn't it?

Also, if you can some how NOT eat cat poo or yell at police officer...I would like to label that as "common sense." I'm not sure how you can call that a phobia. Since, I believe most people would consider the thought of eating it a reasonable fear. Rendering it...not a phobia on grounds of reasonable fear as opposed to unreasonable. Same for being thrown in jail... it is a reasonable fear.

As for compulsions.... I believe these are also bad because compulsions are done regardless of rationality.
and that's....uh.....
..
bad. ~grin.

I come in peace.
~D.

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on June 12, 2009 at 3:37pm

I agree that installing a 'phobia' or an aversion is not a therapeutic manouvre. it is installing a problem.


There are elegant ways, to use hypnosis which help the client to acieve what they want and need, without installing another problem.

Encourage, through positive suggetions, the development of good healthy eating patterns, and deal with the anxiety issues. (clearly installing another phobia will not help resolve anxiety, and no reputable therapist would suggest this as a course of action)

LOve and hugs,


fable

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