How to bring someone out of Trance that isn't responding?

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Permalink Reply by Robert Shanks on November 16, 2009 at 7:10am

Although I like Stephen Gruber's idea of telling them you will charge them double, the simplest one is what John Cleesattel said - "If you don't come out when I tell you, you won't ever be able to reach this state again". I've used it myself, and seen it used in both stage and therapy scenarios.

If you make a habit of the touch-on-the-arm approach, then make sure you include that in your comment. E.g. "If you don't come out when I count to three and touch your arm". This way their subc will be prepared. Don't feel pressured into avoiding contact, as it will give the impression that contact equates to bad things. As we all know, the subc responds to impressions, so you will only be feeding a negative impression.

Well done on getting someone to that state, if I was you, I would take that as my benchmark for hypnotizing someone, and aim for that every time ;-)

Robert

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on November 16, 2009 at 10:58am

There is nothing more rude and unprofessional (and untrue) than to state "I will make it so you can't enter this state again" if this rather poor technique had not been taught by a big name nobody would have ever accepted this as a valid technique but since someone famous taught it people think it's great - it's not, it's bad hypnosis. In my opinion hypnosis at it's worst

Jeannie Martin said:

Hi, When someone is that deep and wont come out, you say "If you don't come back when I count to 5, I will make sure that you cannot go into this feeling again". Then count to 5. You can also say something like, "your car may get towed away if you don't come back very soon" or..."your husband is here to pick you up".. Use whatever you think might work, knowing your client's circumstances. You might also say something like, "another client is coming in two minutes, you must emerge now...and count again. If they don't come back then, they will eventually emerge. I have had plenty of people that took awhile to come back. Our training told us about the first part I mentioned. They are in a beautiful blissful state, and they just don't want to come back. Also, if they are challenged with depression, they need rest. Don't worry...they will emerge.

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on November 16, 2009 at 11:30am

Richard Nongard - HypnosisGurus.com said:

There is nothing more rude and unprofessional (and untrue) than to state "I will make it so you can't enter this state again" if this rather poor technique had not been taught by a big name nobody would have ever accepted this as a valid technique but since someone famous taught it people think it's great - it's not, it's bad hypnosis. In my opinion hypnosis at it's worst

I agree 100% Richard.

Clients deserve a lot more respect, using this form of emotional blackmail, smacks of criminality to me. And is spossibly an arrestable offence. (tongue only slightly in cheek here!)
It is certainly unethical in any clinical sense of the word.

As you say, If it had not first been suggested by a well known and respected teacher. and somebody just came up and suggested it today, I am sure that many people would be up in arms saying it is outrageous.

But because the great one, (jokingly ?) said this was the way to do it,

people follow like sheep.

Baa Baa Baaa.

Love and hugs,


Fable

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on November 16, 2009 at 1:03pm

by the way I was NOT picking on Jeannie Martin nor implying she was no good. No doubt she was passing along what she was taught, as many others in this post have. This has been taught for decades, to thousands of people, and like the artery squeeze induction taught in McGill's book, should probaly be a technique left for the history books. I meet students all over the world though who were taught the "coma" command, and otherwise are good therapists; in reality, they probaly have never used it (because someone who will not emerge happens so rarely) and are simply repeating what they have been taught rather than what they actually do... I have also heard other authors and "respectable" hypnotists espouse this method, again, because it was what they were taught, and to me it ranks right up there with "hypnotic locks" as unacceptable methodology.

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on November 16, 2009 at 2:26pm

I saw a video of someone using the artery squeeze. Boy she went out like a light alright. Then they were running what looked like Knitting needles through her cheeks. That's not Hypnosis... It's sadism. It was a spanish language video. But I agree with you Richard (and Fable) there really is no need to use the coma or blackmail command to bring someone back. I think also that it is manipulitive and coercive to do something like that and it sets the "wrong" tone for future sessions. If you are REALLY a hypnotist.... you realize that everything you think do say or wear is an implicit suggestion. Instead of panicking and demanding "I am going to take away your Toy if you don't OBEY ME" It may be a better option to give them an emergence suggestion that they are going to obey, no matter what happens... and adjust the enviorenment.. lights noise etc in a way the reinforces thier obedience to YOUR suggestion, so you can take credit for it afterward,

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by Tommy Vee on November 16, 2009 at 3:01pm

Amber-

First, remember that no one has ever got stuck in hypnosis and no one ever will.

Here is a statement that should be stated by all stage and clinical hypnotists, right before your induction, that will nip this issue in the bud:

"No Matter how deeply you go into hypnosis, you will always hear the sound of my voice and I can awaken you by counting from 1 to 5."

That statement was developed by Jerry Valley and is brilliant.

Now here are the steps to take if some one does not awaken from hypnosis. This must be done in an authoritarian manner:

1. Do a stronger awakening

2. Ask Why They Do Not Awaken (they will often tell you)

3. Blow on The Eye LidsTell

4. Them Hypnosis Is Better Next Time If They Emerge Now

5. Leave & Go Home

That's it. Don't worry. Nothing will happen to the person.

I hope this helps.

Tommy Vee

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on November 16, 2009 at 3:15pm

Speaking of credit I believe it was dr sleeeep (Obert Brinley) who taught me the light blow to the eyelid technique.

Hugh Cole said:

I saw a video of someone using the artery squeeze. Boy she went out like a light alright. Then they were running what looked like Knitting needles through her cheeks. That's not Hypnosis... It's sadism. It was a spanish language video. But I agree with you Richard (and Fable) there really is no need to use the coma or blackmail command to bring someone back. I think also that it is manipulitive and coercive to do something like that and it sets the "wrong" tone for future sessions. If you are REALLY a hypnotist.... you realize that everything you think do say or wear is an implicit suggestion. Instead of panicking and demanding "I am going to take away your Toy if you don't OBEY ME" It may be a better option to give them an emergence suggestion that they are going to obey, no matter what happens... and adjust the enviorenment.. lights noise etc in a way the reinforces thier obedience to YOUR suggestion, so you can take credit for it afterward, Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by Richard Blake on November 16, 2009 at 4:44pm

To elaborate on what Yusef said, I think Jerry Kein usually says something like: "You are perfectly welcome to remain in this wonderful, relaxing state of hypnosis for as long as you like. However, I charge $180 per hour for the use of my chair. That's $3 per minute. Please open your eyes and fully emerge from hypnosis whenever you are ready." That technique always seemed to work pretty well--and very quickly! It might even provoke a laugh. :)

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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on November 16, 2009 at 6:01pm

Hugh Cole said:

I saw a video of someone using the artery squeeze. Boy she went out like a light alright. Then they were running what looked like Knitting needles through her cheeks. That's not Hypnosis... It's sadism. It was a spanish language video.

The artery squeeze is not hypnosis period. It's a sleeper technique that has more to do with martial technique than with hypnosis. There are folks who foolishly think it can be combined with an induction but they are more often than not idjits playing with fire or idjits trying to build themselves up as hypnogods based upon showy and dangerous technique. The Spanish language video Hugh mentions seems to be of both types. Unfortunately, there are foolish people out there. I saw a DVD on rapid and instant inductions produced by an American hypnotist (I was rather shocked he was teaching it the way he was too, claiming it to be some sort of technique that renders folks into a form of ultradepth or the like; he was of the "keep pressing until they 'almost' pass out school" but the technique is still just as dangerous, just like those idjit kids on the internet playing the various "sleeper" or "pass out" games, it's all laughs until someone dies, and someone eventually does die). Note: yes, I teach "Nerve Cluster Pressure Point" style inductions on a number of my products and while these look to be improved variations of the artery press, they have NOTHING to do with such things and are built solidly upon the same sort of technologies that make the hypnotic variation of the Vulcan Nerve Pinch so effective (see http://briandavidphillips.typepad.com/brian/2009/11/vulcan-mind-mel...) . . . expectancy is a very kool thing. The best variation of the carotid artery pressure point induction is the one that never touches flesh. Expectancy, expectancy expectancy. "Real" Hypnotists don't need to resort to cheap theatrics or physical pressure or dangerous artery jabs or the like, not when they can create the experience through intensified imaginative involvement . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQsWdswdxpU . . . if I'm going to rely on theatrics, then they're going to be based upon suggestion!

All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on November 16, 2009 at 7:48pm

Amen Brian .....

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist On the Planet.

Brian David Phillips said ....
"Real" Hypnotists don't need to resort to cheap theatrics or physical pressure or dangerous artery jabs or the like, not when they can create the experience through intensified imaginative involvement . .

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Permalink Reply by Connor Wyatt on November 17, 2009 at 6:21am

Richard and Fable,

I totally agree with you when you say it like that but I do not mean that people should say it like that.

I do think it is unethical to tell them that you won't let them go this deep again but if you were to tell them that it is approaching the hour mark and you have a client booked in after then they will wake up and I don't consider that unethical.

Conca

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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on November 17, 2009 at 7:01am

Im just thinking loudly

I agree that it's not the way to treat people in daily clinic
But it's good to know in emergency time that its an option
On stag when you tell someone that is belt is a snake and he petrified is that ethical?
In emergency room some time you need to cut someone to save him
So don’t use it in your clinic but if someone stuck and nothing positive help
And there nothing else to help him even negative suggestion could be positive
With respect
Yosef





Richard Nongard - HypnosisGurus.com said:

There is nothing more rude and unprofessional (and untrue) than to state "I will make it so you can't enter this state again" if this rather poor technique had not been taught by a big name nobody would have ever accepted this as a valid technique but since someone famous taught it people think it's great - it's not, it's bad hypnosis. In my opinion hypnosis at it's worst

Jeannie Martin said:

Hi, When someone is that deep and wont come out, you say "If you don't come back when I count to 5, I will make sure that you cannot go into this feeling again". Then count to 5. You can also say something like, "your car may get towed away if you don't come back very soon" or..."your husband is here to pick you up".. Use whatever you think might work, knowing your client's circumstances. You might also say something like, "another client is coming in two minutes, you must emerge now...and count again. If they don't come back then, they will eventually emerge. I have had plenty of people that took awhile to come back. Our training told us about the first part I mentioned. They are in a beautiful blissful state, and they just don't want to come back. Also, if they are challenged with depression, they need rest. Don't worry...they will emerge.

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