How to Hypnotize In Less Then 2 to 4 Minutes?

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Permalink Reply by Scott Brown on June 1, 2009 at 12:55am

Hi Dorreen

I can’t believe your asking that question, hypnosis inductions at best are irrelevant and merely for show.

But in therapy you would be doing your clients a disservice if you "don’t use" a slightly lengthy script design to induce relaxation.

As most of the benefits that come from hypnotherapy is due the relaxation thats induced not the suggestion or other any other mental techniques given.

Please consult books like the, The Relaxation Response by Herbert Benson and T X Barber Summary of the Evidence For Hypnosis.

I've just finshed reading lecture notes from a top Cambridge psychologist on the subject of why hypnosis works and it due mainly to the relaxation.

If you still want to do a so-called rapid induction then PM me and tell me how fast.

Warmest Regards

Scott

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on June 1, 2009 at 1:09am

I tend to agree with Scott,

In therapy clients want to have an experience that they can savour. Being rushed into hypnosis, I feel detracts from that, and can make people feel like produucts on a conveyer belt.

If you are working with the same client/s a few times, you could make each re induction a bit shorter, as they are learning to respond better each time.

I think there is a time and a place for rapid inductions. But with my clients, I like to take my time so that they can really enjoy the experience. They are worth it.

I know all the fans of rapid inductions, will now be chomping at the bit, so I expect you will get a few alternative views.

Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Sean Michael Andrews C.H. C.I. - WorldsFastestHypnotist.com on June 1, 2009 at 1:25am

Doreen:
When practiced, a Dave Elman induction should always take less than 3 minutes. It can be used very effectively as a script, but gets even better once you break it into its parts. Dave Elman used to teach his doctors to do it in one minute or less. That should fit the bill for your purpose. I thought you already used the Elman induction, Doreen.

Best Wishes,

Sean Michael Andrews
www.WorldsFastestHypnotist.com

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on June 1, 2009 at 1:41am

Doreen, I would like to suggest to you that you don't really focus on the suggestions, but rather learn new inductions, elman, rapids, confusion, etc. I'm wondering, what all inductions did you learn at HMI? Also, I would suggest that you get Sean Michael Andrews Rapid and Instant inductions (http://www.amazon.com/Hypnosis-Inductions-Sean-Michael-Andrews/dp/B...) and another one by him and Keith Livingston called 'Amazing Inductions' (http://www.hypnosis101.com/inductions-course.htm)

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on June 1, 2009 at 1:47am

Hi Scott,

I just want to do shorter version of relaxation, that's all, not a stage show.

Thanks Doreen

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on June 1, 2009 at 1:49am

Hi Fable,

I understand, I am not talking about rapid induction... just a shorter version, so i can work with the issue, like 1... 2.. 3... 4.. 5... body relaxation tense and release, feel the absence of relaxation... just differently... does it make sense now, what I am asking for?

Thanks Doreen

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on June 1, 2009 at 1:52am

With all respect Antonio, leave HMI out of it, also I would appreciate if you pay more attention to the question.
I know the elman, (rapid and I am not looking for rapid), also know confusion, I am talking about shorter version of PR to help client to get faster in a trance and I know it is possible.

Thanks Doreen

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on June 1, 2009 at 1:55am

Thanks Sean, Yes, I use Dave Elman induction but not all the time, since i tend to make it longer, but to break it into parts, sounds like a better idea...

Thanks, Doreen

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on June 1, 2009 at 2:19am

Sorry Scott, but I beg to differ on many of these points. How exactly are you doing a disservice if you use a shorter induction? Such as a rapid or an elman? I believe that a hypnotist that knows quite a few inductions is better suited that one that just knows perhaps a Progressive Muscle Relaxation or just an eye fixation induction.

Also I have heard that relaxation isn't always necessary to induce a state of hypnosis. I believe that if you were to take a look at lets say, the handshake interrupt, you're getting a hypnotic trance before you get relaxation. The same goes (in my opinion) for rapid inductions.

"As most of the benefits that come from hypnotherapy is due the relaxation thats induced not the suggestion or other any other mental techniques given."

Now this, I would like some kind of 'empirical' evidence. So in a way, we could just induce a trance in a client, not give them any suggestions and or use any kind of techniques and emerge them, right?

Also about that material from Tx Barber, I just did a google search and came up with this page below. Apparently he was a critic of hypnosis in the beginning and I believe he may have changed his mind in his later years.

http://www.hutch.demon.co.uk/hypnosum.htm

Also, this last statement might seem a bit harsh, but I believe it is fitting. About that 'top Cambridge psychologist' who believes that hypnosis works mainly due to relaxation, if you look back through the years, some 'top psychologists' believe that ECT was a good thing. Over the years, things can change. After all Freud believed that kids were sexually attracted to their parents. He also consumed a good amount of booger sugar, this may have tainted his 'map' of the world.

Antonio



Scott Brown said:

Hi Dorreen

But in therapy you would be doing your clients a disservice if you "don’t use" a slightly lengthy script design to induce relaxation.

As most of the benefits that come from hypnotherapy is due the relaxation thats induced not the suggestion or other any other mental techniques given.

Please consult books like the, The Relaxation Response by Herbert Benson and T X Barber Summary of the Evidence For Hypnosis.

I've just finshed reading lecture notes from a top Cambridge psychologist on the subject of why hypnosis works and it due mainly to the relaxation.

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Permalink Reply by SteveH on June 1, 2009 at 2:33am

Hi, Doreen,

I use the Elman Induction all the time.

The main point of Elman's induction is that it is kept to under 4 mins or less (Elman used to suggest under three mins for beginners and once confident and experienced, he used to claim around a minute) . If you go above four minutes then it tends to become less effective at getting to somnambulism quickly.

Once you have had your client in hypnosis, then the Elman can be done much quicker the next time.

In fact, jerry Kein teaches the Elman techniques very well.

Jerry has are good variants which he teaches, based around the Elman, that can be done in under a minute, or even in a matter of seconds (I think Jerry calls these the fast Elman and the Instant Elman - sorry if I got the names wrong Jerry).

I often use the Elman in my office, and this is very very effective, very quick and 'gentle'.

I also use the hand-drop instant induction in my office, while this can be made theatrical and dramatic (e.g., performance hypnotists) this is a very quick effective technique that fit's very well into an office environment.

Although I mainly use Elman (and its variations), and the had-drop, I do use other inductions, depending on my client.

Steve

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on June 1, 2009 at 2:47am

Doreen, he wasn't talking about stage hypnosis shows. "Merely for show" is a figure of speech (those damn metaphors again :D ).

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht said:

Hi Scott,

I just want to do shorter version of relaxation, that's all, not a stage show.

Thanks Doreen

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on June 1, 2009 at 5:15am

Doreen,

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/forum/topics/716892:Topic:98342

This takes about 45 seconds to a minute.. is that fast enough?

Here is a recent blog testimonial:

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/profiles/blogs/me-now-a-hypnotist-i-guess

I hope this helps
John

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