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Permalink Reply by Chuck Emig on
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Brian David Phillips did a short webinar on the topic a little while back. As part of that presentation, he included a short PDF of the process and posted it to the Special Files section of his SET Trance Community. If you don't want to join, you can always try sending a PM to Brian on here to see if he will send you the file directly.
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Thanks Chuck
Chuck Emig said:
Brian David Phillips did a short webinar on the topic a little while back. As part of that presentation, he included a short PDF of the process and posted it to the Special Files section of his SET Trance Community. If you don't want to join, you can always try sending a PM to Brian on here to see if he will send you the file directly.
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Permalink Reply by Valerie Austin on -
I took the course in hypno-sleep with Jack Mason. He has the induction and protocol he is in Indiana. I do have them but I think they may be in the UK. I seem to have lost his number if you have problems finding him just email me on valerieaustinhyp@aol.com and I will see if I can find the information for you.
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Permalink Reply by Gus on
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Valerie...has hypno sleep really worked for you? do clients really not analize nor even think about the questions and sugestions you make?
It hardly ever works for me, yet in Keins tapes it works wonderfully...could they be staged? or are we doing something wrong. Other hipnotists agree with me.
Gus
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Permalink Reply by Ricky Strode on -
Overloads and deep confusion works pretty much the same way. Nested loops are also an awsome tool for stuff of this sort. There are many ways to do nested loops, but a basic way it to make is too come up with lets say three stories (it helps if they are pieces to what you want to happen). Start story one go most of the way through it, start story two go most of the way through it, start story three, put suggestion either throughout the stories or in the last story and then finish the stories starting with story three, then two and then one. Another way to do this is amnesia, it is analyzed, but it will not matter if they are amnesic as to what happened and it is reinforced indirectly. Just some ideas from some oldschool studies.
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Permalink Reply by Gus on
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Rick...the first one you suggest sounds like the Lankdon methafor or inmbedded command in ericksonian but thats a very short command or suggestion, period, but what Hypno Sleep is being portraid is almost like the serum of thruth, if they dont analize anything because thet are asleep, then you ask any question and you should be getting back the bare thruth. Thats what I have tried and my results have been very poor...almost embarrassing. They key here is that they answer questions truthfully , is there such a thing or way?
Gus
ricky strode said:Overloads and deep confusion works pretty much the same way. Nested loops are also an awsome tool for stuff of this sort. There are many ways to do nested loops, but a basic way it to make is too come up with lets say three stories (it helps if they are pieces to what you want to happen). Start story one go most of the way through it, start story two go most of the way through it, start story three, put suggestion either throughout the stories or in the last story and then finish the stories starting with story three, then two and then one. Another way to do this is amnesia, it is analyzed, but it will not matter if they are amnesic as to what happened and it is reinforced indirectly. Just some ideas from some oldschool studies.
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Permalink Reply by Gus on
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Also...if they have amnesia, they might not remember what was said BUT they do analyze the questions through their CF at the time and do not provide a truthful answer so for them to forget afterwards the process through amnesia is a mute subject since they didn't answer truthfully in the first place
ricky strode said:
Overloads and deep confusion works pretty much the same way. Nested loops are also an awsome tool for stuff of this sort. There are many ways to do nested loops, but a basic way it to make is too come up with lets say three stories (it helps if they are pieces to what you want to happen). Start story one go most of the way through it, start story two go most of the way through it, start story three, put suggestion either throughout the stories or in the last story and then finish the stories starting with story three, then two and then one. Another way to do this is amnesia, it is analyzed, but it will not matter if they are amnesic as to what happened and it is reinforced indirectly. Just some ideas from some oldschool studies.
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Permalink Reply by Ricky Strode on
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Well Gus, guess I am in the wrong conversation, because I would only need something like that for an interigation. But to answer you, If someone is in a deep enough trance or stimulated to the point to where they just respond then they will respond to whatever stimulus "without analyzing it" per se, but that does not mean it is true all it means is that is what is there. I think you should first go back to the presupposition that there is something as "the truth" and how would you know they would or wounld not be telling you that in the first place. It also depends at what point in time they believed what they were saying. Consciousness constantly changes. If you are just trying to get people to respond without thinking then start in that direction. If you think about it, it is actually as easy as a suggestion in the first place or not or even before hand right before you're about to do it, but just not yet. For instance, If I ask someone to think about what it is like when they become confused, now while I am talking about other things, but they are more interesting so they can continue to keep doing that while I am doing what I am doing it right now and what I was doing before this again. If you're thinking about enough things to know you just not sure, but things seem different do they not, then you're sure enough to be unsure atleast for a moument to know whether or weather not just how the rain falls down as thoughts begin to do it sometime here and then. Its not whether they notice what you're doing, you're doing it right if you are getting the responses and responding just fine. It's can be noticed, indirectly or directly, it really does not matter as long as you're doing it now, just how you're needing to be it is just that that brings thoughts back and forth, so if you're wondering just what it was, then were you wondering what it is or not. I am curious as to just when will you stop and say, I I cap in crunch or yes. If people can laugh at silly things, then the can begin to feel better more often and easier. Wonder what all you notice or not and whether or not if you remember to remember this or begin to forget it before you remembered, so would that be remembering to forget or forgeting to rememeber I am just not completely sure, because I forget what I was even talking about, nice really long message, enjoy, lol. Kind of dazing just looking at it ain't it?
Gus said:Also...if they have amnesia, they might not remember what was said BUT they do analyze the questions through their CF at the time and do not provide a truthful answer so for them to forget afterwards the process through amnesia is a mute subject since they didn't answer truthfully in the first place
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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on -
As a father of three kids, I say:
If someone's asleep, let them sleep!
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Permalink Reply by Valerie Austin on
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I have all my books. audios and suggestions selling on iphone and all my suggestions have a time for a chance to do the hypno sleep. This is the suggestion kicking in when you are asleep. The important words are, "You can hear me but you won't wake up" without this the person is asleep. With the words it alerts the subconscious to wake enough for the words to go into this dream like state. Does it work, yes, the % for audio tapes I do not know but I have had good success on myself and with others using it in actual sleep.
With hypnotic induced hypno sleep I always go from the hypnosleep to the ultra depth or 'N" phase that I teach and have excellent success with healing. On my site www.valerieaustin.com you will find a newspaper article in my press or newspaper area that has proof of me saving someones life in a coma she had lost 43 litres of blood and was dying. It showed on the intensive care equipment that when I did the Nth phase her temperature started to fall. It was recorded at the hospital and very exciting. It is an skill to do it properly and needs some instruction. Again Jack Mason is very good but if you email me on valerieaustinhyp@aol.com I can give you my number in the US and some pointers.
Gus said:Valerie...has hypno sleep really worked for you? do clients really not analize nor even think about the questions and sugestions you make?
It hardly ever works for me, yet in Keins tapes it works wonderfully...could they be staged? or are we doing something wrong. Other hipnotists agree with me.
Gus
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Permalink Reply by Valerie Austin on
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Just read some of the replies and hypnoSleep works a little differently. It is mainly for instruction (suggestion) directed to the subconscious. People would tell children (when they were asleep) when you wake up your toe will itch and they would wake up and scratch their toe. Having said that there is a special way to create the suggestion that is different from your normal suggestions. I cover it in my book 'Slim While You Sleep' in the mid 90's ( you can now buy it if you have an ipad at a fairly low cost or Amazon). I will try and look it up for you. The book had positive feed back but I cannot tell you a %.
Valerie Austin said:I have all my books. audios and suggestions selling on iphone and all my suggestions have a time for a chance to do the hypno sleep. This is the suggestion kicking in when you are asleep. The important words are, "You can hear me but you won't wake up" without this the person is asleep. With the words it alerts the subconscious to wake enough for the words to go into this dream like state. Does it work, yes, the % for audio tapes I do not know but I have had good success on myself and with others using it in actual sleep.
With hypnotic induced hypno sleep I always go from the hypnosleep to the ultra depth or 'N" phase that I teach and have excellent success with healing. On my site www.valerieaustin.com you will find a newspaper article in my press or newspaper area that has proof of me saving someones life in a coma she had lost 43 litres of blood and was dying. It showed on the intensive care equipment that when I did the Nth phase her temperature started to fall. It was recorded at the hospital and very exciting. It is an skill to do it properly and needs some instruction. Again Jack Mason is very good but if you email me on valerieaustinhyp@aol.com I can give you my number in the US and some pointers.
Gus said:Valerie...has hypno sleep really worked for you? do clients really not analize nor even think about the questions and sugestions you make?
It hardly ever works for me, yet in Keins tapes it works wonderfully...could they be staged? or are we doing something wrong. Other hipnotists agree with me.
Gus
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