Hypnoband "surgery" for weight loss

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Permalink Reply by John Maclean on January 9, 2010 at 3:46pm

Hi CindyLou,
If you mean "gastric band hypnotherapy" as a concept then I can't answer! The "Hypno-Band" is a trademarked system used by over 100 Licensed Practitioners. I believe you have already contacted me. I cannot present "statistics" for all practitioners as some have been using the method for longer than others and we are aiming for long term and maintained weight-loss. What I can say is that for those practitioners (including myself) who have used the system long term success rates are between 60 and 80% (with one practitioner having a 90% success rate). A lot depends on the committment of the client to embrace lifestyle and behaviour changes (the method is not all about the "virtual gastric band") and indeed the competence of the therapist. The concept has been around for years but the difference is we combine the gastric band part with analysis and CBT to effect change.

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Permalink Reply by CindyLou on January 9, 2010 at 7:20pm

Thanks John,
Yes, I am inquiring on this board because I AM interested in your system. I just wanted to hear testimonials and opinions from others who have implemented yours or other gastric band hypnotherapy practice, as far as their personal experiences by those working in the field doing it. Apparently those who are doing it are too busy and not members of hypnothoughts, or ???

Nothing personal on you, John, but it's hard for me to assess the practice from the feedback of the "salesperson" selling the product. I'm disappointed I haven't gotten more response here. That tells me hypnothoughts people are not doing this work, and/or don't know much about it. I'm wondering why not.

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Permalink Reply by John Maclean on January 10, 2010 at 5:37am

Hi Cynthia,
You are quite correct to make enquiries. While I know there are at least a couple of our practitionersd on this forum I think the reason for lack of replies is that this board is mainly populated by members from the US. UK therapists tend to join other UK based forums. I may be wrong however. You could try to contact Pete Bateman who is a member here. Also our Licensed Practitioners have their own dedicated forum which has lively discussions and exchanges of experiences using the system. The system has only been licensed since June/July 2009 so hasn't really made a big impact across the pond. It is very well known in Europe and has attracted attention from many quarters. I suppose the fact is I am not a "salesman" but rather I am an ordinary therapist who just happened to develop a system and even though I have never approached a single person I was overwhelmed with requests to license the process. To this date I have donated over 90% of the money raised by licenses to charity, so it has never been a money-making endeavour on my part. I have been asked to do a presentation on the Hypno-Band at the HypnoSummit2010, which fills me with trepidation but hopefully will be useful to someone!
Regards
John
John

CindyLou Hypno-Healing said:

Thanks John,
Yes, I am inquiring on this board because I AM interested in your system. I just wanted to hear testimonials and opinions from others who have implemented yours or other gastric band hypnotherapy practice, as far as their personal experiences by those working in the field doing it. Apparently those who are doing it are too busy and not members of hypnothoughts, or ??? Nothing personal on you, John, but it's hard for me to assess the practice from the feedback of the "salesperson" selling the product. I'm disappointed I haven't gotten more response here. That tells me hypnothoughts people are not doing this work, and/or don't know much about it. I'm wondering why not.

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Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on January 10, 2010 at 12:00pm

Hi Cindy
I was just looking through the discussions and came across this one (Hi John) .I worked with my first client back in September, she started shifting the weight from the first session which I would expect as both Lorraine and myself have worked with weight for some time through 1-2-1 and group work, some of the weight loss has to be achieved before the "band" is fitted. the "2nd session leads up to the band being fitted. When having had the "band fitted" my client reacted as if she had just had an operation, she came back and had the band "tightened". She has done well on her weight loss, 9lbs over 4 weeks which is a safe average according to a nutritionist I know. My other clients are too recent to give figures though all reported losing weight, but I will be happy to add them as soon as I have them. We mainly work with people who eat excessively large meals, and ALL of these have found they can not physically eat as much. Even though they have changed their eating habits and eat less they find a main meal (though smaller) fills them up quickly. We had one who didn't follow part of the procedure properly (listen to the visualisation cd's before & after the op ,we found this out recently) and still finds she can not eat as much and she still lost weight. Presumably she will not reach her goal or it will take longer, either way it shows how powerful this procedure is.

Pete

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Permalink Reply by CindyLou on January 10, 2010 at 12:30pm

Thanks Peter. This is the type of info I am interested in. The ups and downs of this work. What to look out for, what may make a client "successful" and the pitfalls to avoid that one only learns by experimentation. And of course, success rate. I can put myself out there and promote this big as long as I KNOW it works for most people. Just trying to get that info now. Appreciate the responses. If there is a UK group I can join regarding this, please let me know. Thanks to both of you.
Cindy Attar

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Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on January 10, 2010 at 12:32pm

Hi Cindy
As a character reference for someone I have not yet met.
John is not a salesman as such. I found out about the hypno-band on hypnotherapistregister.com forum a smaller version of this site run by Cliff Cowin. It was being talked about due to an article in the press about a lady who went to Spain had the work done and lost one hell of a lot of weight, John said "I think you are talking about the hypnoband that's me". Rather than just let anyone have the system he made sure whoever did it was qualified to work as a hypnotherapist,
Limited the licenses where he could have been greedy. We found out later he donated the license fees to charity. I must say though I have never met him (so I am not being protective), from the posts I have read here and on the hypno register in the UK and the HB forum he is a pretty straight forward bloke who is open to feedback and change.
If you decide to use it I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Best Wishes

Pete
CindyLou Hypno-Healing said:

Thanks John,
Yes, I am inquiring on this board because I AM interested in your system. I just wanted to hear testimonials and opinions from others who have implemented yours or other gastric band hypnotherapy practice, as far as their personal experiences by those working in the field doing it. Apparently those who are doing it are too busy and not members of hypnothoughts, or ???

Nothing personal on you, John, but it's hard for me to assess the practice from the feedback of the "salesperson" selling the product. I'm disappointed I haven't gotten more response here. That tells me hypnothoughts people are not doing this work, and/or don't know much about it. I'm wondering why not.

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Permalink Reply by CindyLou on January 11, 2010 at 6:35am

I have no doubt of the credibility of John. I think where my desire to hear from others doing hypno-band got sidetracked, was by one word I said. Because I didn't think ahead and realize this may sidetrack the entire conversation, I said one word that sparked a knee-jerk defense. My mistake and my apologies for using the "bad" word, salesman. It wasn't my intention to de-value you, John--AT ALL.

So, I will check the website you recommended from UK about practitioners doing this work. As soon as I get the feedback from all angles, I will probably go forward with this plan. My concerns come from being EASILY hypnotized by other people's excitement and not seeking the down side of things. A problem I've had to deal with for years. Again, I apologize for my part in this sidetrack.
Cindy

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Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on January 11, 2010 at 12:59pm

Hi Cindy
My apologies I was I didn't intend it to be defensive knee jerk, looking back, all I really needed to say if anything was the info he has given is based on the feedback he got from the most of us who posted on the hypno-band forum. I have found myself in situations I didn't intend because I took people at their word, I think I've learned my lesson's.....I hope!!!!!! So I understand why you need to ask.
The bottom line is it's a great system but as with all therapies it's not 100%. I have just come from our forum and a guy who has just joined in Scotland is using the system on himself and has lost 10lb. To balance I think have just got my first failure:-(

Best Wishes

Pete

CindyLou Hypno-Healing said:

I have no doubt of the credibility of John. I think where my desire to hear from others doing hypno-band got sidetracked, was by one word I said. Because I didn't think ahead and realize this may sidetrack the entire conversation, I said one word that sparked a knee-jerk defense. My mistake and my apologies for using the "bad" word, salesman. It wasn't my intention to de-value you, John--AT ALL.
So, I will check the website you recommended from UK about practitioners doing this work. As soon as I get the feedback from all angles, I will probably go forward with this plan. My concerns come from being EASILY hypnotized by other people's excitement and not seeking the down side of things. A problem I've had to deal with for years. Again, I apologize for my part in this sidetrack. Cindy

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Permalink Reply by CindyLou on January 12, 2010 at 10:05am

Oh, I understand. It's up to me to get my own testimonials. It's up to me to do the great hypnosis work so I WILL get the testimonials. I had it in my head it was a product that another is selling. And I was worried if the product was good. It's not that. It is a great idea that is being sold, and it's up to me to find the people to test it out, put it in practice, and see how it works or doesn't. And it really depends a lot on ME as the hypnotherapist, not the "product". Sheesh.

Thanks to all for this conversation. I got what I came after now. John, once I get insurance I"ll be contacting you.
CindyLou

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Permalink Reply by John Maclean on January 12, 2010 at 10:38am

Hi Cindy,
I'm not sure what your reply means? Perhaps you would like to contact me privately.
John

CindyLou Hypno-Healing said:

Oh, I understand. It's up to me to get my own testimonials. It's up to me to do the great hypnosis work so I WILL get the testimonials. I had it in my head it was a product that another is selling. And I was worried if the product was good. It's not that. It is a great idea that is being sold, and it's up to me to find the people to test it out, put it in practice, and see how it works or doesn't. And it really depends a lot on ME as the hypnotherapist, not the "product". Sheesh.

Thanks to all for this conversation. I got what I came after now. John, once I get insurance I"ll be contacting you.
CindyLou

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Permalink Reply by Dan Elliott on July 29, 2010 at 12:24pm

Hi CindyLou.

I just came across your post, and like you I was looking for a process for 'hypnoband' hypnosis. Once again, I'm both amazed and disheartened to witness the parsimonious way in which many of we hypnotherapists 'hang onto' procedures and scripts.

I find it rather sad, as I thought this site in particular was aimed at sharing knowledge. As far as I know there's no copyright allotted to these processes, the same as any other hypnosis process. The one reason given that its in order to stop non qualified hypnotherapists using the technique doesn't hold water for me I'm afraid. Decades of experience tell me that non qualified, inexperienced practitioners simply fade away, and have no affect on the core of us who are here for the right reason.

I wish you well in your quest CindyLou, and by now of course you may have accessed the process. If so, I wish you great success with it.

As for the parsimony, I reckon it's time to lighten up, that's the whole purpose of this forum. It's the finest way in which we, as Hypnotherapists can evolve and move forward; I'm sure the originators of this site had that in mind in the beginning. Personally, I will share ANY issue and knowledge of use that's come my way as I've been working in this modality of therapy.

Dan Elliott.

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Permalink Reply by John Maclean on July 31, 2010 at 8:29am

There is no "copyright" on a concept therefore it is quite right that gastric band hypnosis is generally in the public domain. What you seem to be missing here is the the Hypno-Band is a registered trademark and a copyrighted methodology. Hypnoband is not a generic term it is protected by law.

Dan Elliott said:

Hi CindyLou.

I just came across your post, and like you I was looking for a process for 'hypnoband' hypnosis. Once again, I'm both amazed and disheartened to witness the parsimonious way in which many of we hypnotherapists 'hang onto' procedures and scripts.

I find it rather sad, as I thought this site in particular was aimed at sharing knowledge. As far as I know there's no copyright allotted to these processes, the same as any other hypnosis process. The one reason given that its in order to stop non qualified hypnotherapists using the technique doesn't hold water for me I'm afraid. Decades of experience tell me that non qualified, inexperienced practitioners simply fade away, and have no affect on the core of us who are here for the right reason.

I wish you well in your quest CindyLou, and by now of course you may have accessed the process. If so, I wish you great success with it.

As for the parsimony, I reckon it's time to lighten up, that's the whole purpose of this forum. It's the finest way in which we, as Hypnotherapists can evolve and move forward; I'm sure the originators of this site had that in mind in the beginning. Personally, I will share ANY issue and knowledge of use that's come my way as I've been working in this modality of therapy.

Dan Elliott.

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