HypnoPedia: What's Up With it?

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Permalink Reply by Jeremiah Junglas on April 12, 2010 at 3:05pm

Simple! Give it its own domain, and name it HypnoWiki. Those are probably the two things that would bring you the best results. Also HypnoPedia could be confused with Hypnopaedia (Learning while sleeping)... just a thought. Making it easy to learn how to add and edit content is a third thing I would add to the list of changes.

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Permalink Reply by Carol Sanders on April 12, 2010 at 3:15pm

Maybe we all (from the community) could first vote on who the "masters" or classics" are /were and after , choosing the top 3. then we can utilize their definitions ?

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Permalink Reply by Andrew Power on April 12, 2010 at 4:02pm

"there is a group of editors. These editors absolutely have to be very open-minded and trustworthy people."
- I think this was the original idea for editors on Dmoz, and from history it never worked out. Editors would go and edit other editors materials in an ego-based struggle that only saw submissions and popularity fall by the way side.

A wiki is always open to the mass spammers out there, meaning a lot of work prior to moderating any useful additive materials.

It would be like having one wiki for all religions. I can understand what you hope to achieve Scott, though the nature of the hypnosis beast may very well cause it's own undoing, as you will find those out there who are creating their own products somewhat reluctant to share their materials for "fear" of financial loss. I know of quite a few on hypnothoughts that would coronary at the thought of freely sharing their knowledge (even if most of them acquired it from free sources in the first place).

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Permalink Reply by Marc on April 12, 2010 at 4:24pm

Hi Scott, go to
www.hypnosis.edu
click on HMI Web-TV and check it out, it's free.

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Permalink Reply by John Greene on April 12, 2010 at 6:12pm

Scott, I think most people who are practising hypnosis full time or part time are constantly reading and learning more about hypnosis and other modalities like EFT. Individuals who are earning a full time income in their Hypnosis, Hypnotherapy, Stage Hypnosis professions most likely do not have the time or inclination to edit wiki pages.

Wikipedia has millions of contributors, most with expertise and a high level of knowledge in the areas they edit. HypnoThoughts has, by comparison, a tiny group of experts, some with a modicum of expertise and many who are still learning the basics. The experts and professionals are "engaged" in their own practices and perhaps even producing their own publications and/or CDs, DVDs for instruction and profit. Time is at a premium.

Editing a blog or a wiki is time consuming and requires that an individual have the "time", inclination and ability to work for free. I think most HypnoThought Members are busy earning a living and involved in their own personal professions and/or avocations and don't see any "self advantage" to playing with wiki pages.

A HypnoPedia may be a great idea, but perhaps the pool of Hypnotic Minds in this venue with the time and motivation just isn't there. I'm just guessing.

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Permalink Reply by Duff McDuffee on April 12, 2010 at 6:48pm

Wikipedia already exists and has some nice articles on hypnosis, trance, and NLP. Why silo the information here instead of participating there?

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Permalink Reply by Dan Elliott on April 12, 2010 at 8:51pm

Hugh, you make some great points there, many I agree with in totality.

There seems to be an ongoing concern amongst these responses related to different perspectives and definitions of and about hypnosis/hypnotherapy. Surely, a wiki style site is a place in which to set up definitions? This in itself is a great reason to proceed with HypnoPedia, in order to nut-out an international, inter-modality sets of guides and truths. This indecisive and indefinite picture of ourselves, which we present to the world, can make us, as a profession, look really flaky indeed. After all, those of us who are full time practitioners are assumed to have a fair level of expertise in our field.

As for people cutting and pasting our articles from a wiki style site, for whatever reason, I see no harm in that whatsoever. I've been doing this type of work for many years now, and still am aghast at the parsimonious attitude of some of our associates (maybe this is just a southern hemisphere aberration?). For some people in our midst, there has to be a dollar behind every venture, every article, every CD, every typed thought. Truth is, more people seem to focus on selling courses and CDs, rather than on clients with issues walking through their therapy room door.

I'm sure there are people in every sphere of work who will whinge and complain, no matter how things are set up, such as the people you mention in your note. It's our task, having been granted this chance via an incredibly large number of therapists on a single site (Hypnothoughts) to begin pulling together. I believe that HypnoPedia is an excellent highway on which to do it.

Think about it. How many times in the entire history of mankind have we seen so many Hypnotherapists 'located' in one place?

Let's not blow the chance of a lifetime with exploding egos.

My kind regards to all,
Dan Elliott.

Hugh Cole said:

Kathleen,
There are of course challanges when you are setting up to become the leading authority on hypnosis definitions. and related information. It is particularly onerous when the names of the folks writing those articles will gain instant credibility as experts in the field and have thier names (and books and DVD's and Cd's and ebooks and seminars and workshops, etc, etc) bask in the glow of the noteriety that may bring, Consider for a moment some of the incidents that happened on the way to hypnothoughts being "noticed" as a place where hypnotists gathered to unselfishly share information. ,,,,, a) a well known and well thought of celebrity hypnotist threatened on the front page to sue hypnothoughts in a less than well thought out attempt to express his opinion that some ones book was less than adequate. ...... b) a well known instructor of all things hypnosis threatened to sue hypnothoughts if he was not allowed to present at the hypnosummit and share the podium and exposure with other would be competitors. c) a well known world wide purveyor of bulk hypnosis information has pushed the envelpe of spamming to the point where even the overly generous, good naturered, competent and sympathetic moderators of Hypnothoughts were forced to shut down his multiple paths into the forum. and that's only what I know about. I am betting there is more.
Given that environment,,, I can easily see where someone of your caliber would not want to see your sincere, thoughtful and dedicated efforts bent stapled folded and mutialated to sell someone else's ebook. Truth be known if anyone can find a way to accomplish this it will be Scott. But I think before that happens It would be a great idea to crystalize (as Adrian suggested) why we are doing it, then think about how we are doing it.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by Art Long CHt. Traditional Doctor on April 12, 2010 at 9:24pm

people are on the right track when they say it needs its own website, then used by all as a reference, sorting out the use of such silly words as "somnambulism", normally meaning sleepwalking to mean trance state or something, wrong, let's form a world wide language for the profession..Art Long CHT Traditional dosctor

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Permalink Reply by kirby vonshouse on April 12, 2010 at 11:09pm

im not sure that hugh cole didnt hit it right scott. why buy canned when you get fresh from the farmer ?
HT is the only place i know where you get 1000 of your profesional peers in one to one or groups on any topic of hypnosis, or even start your own group and private(sorta) club ? the only time i went to hypnopedia was to get an idea how to properly do my cards since im a " certified hypnologist,hypnotist,instructor,master bla bla bla and nobody knows most of the titles anyway, or, like me ,cares lol. other than that we're all pro's and if not, willing to answer any questions out right from anyone . it was a good idea but i think you passed that need with the sight itself dont give up on it yet tho, think about the questionaire and possibly a new direction or title. let this question just hang and see what what this bunch of mamals do with it cott Sandland, C.Ht. said:

Thanks for the feedback so far.

The overwhelming theme I'm getting from this is that people really aren't that interested in the wiki format or don't/can't put in the effort to add the content for a few reasons.

I definitely understand the idea that their are so many differing viewpoints that a constant re-editing would be flame war inducing or frustrating to people.

Do people suggest I scrap the project, leave it up as is, or reinvent it somehow?

I may put together a poll to ask you all about it officially if I get the time.

Thanks again for your honest feedback, and as always, please keep it up.

-Scott

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on April 13, 2010 at 2:23am

God almighty, HMI is going to Tarnish its image quite quickly on this site..

Marc said:

Hi Scott, go to
www.hypnosis.edu
click on HMI Web-TV and check it out, it's free.

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Permalink Reply by Heron Saline on April 13, 2010 at 8:52am

Duff McDuffee said:

Wikipedia already exists and has some nice articles on hypnosis, trance, and NLP. Why silo the information here instead of participating there?

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Permalink Reply by Heron Saline on April 13, 2010 at 9:04am

Duff McDuffee said:

Wikipedia already exists and has some nice articles on hypnosis, trance, and NLP. Why silo the information here instead of participating there?

I like this idea--puts whatever effort there is going out on a great idea equally into getting it into the mainstream where the public can find it, learn about it, and choose to pursue it. Thanks, Duff.

Personally, I haven't gravitated toward spending much time on the site at all because I haven't gotten the quality of interaction and dialogue I'm looking for in hypnosis community here (more depth & trust), despite having "met" a lot of very nice people. Early on I put out there some things I was excited about connecting with others on and got little to no response. A few times I've asked for ideas on a specific topic and gotten really helpful directions to go in, but a lot of it is chitchat, which isn't my cuppa!

As to contributing to Hypnopedia (and I like that name as well as any of that sort of linguistic composite), I'm already midway through two professional writing projects that are my priorities. Part of that is just limits to available time and energy, especially in this challenging economy. Hey, how about HIRING me to write for hypnopedia (kidding, I appreciate the unpaid contributions of everyone on here.)

I'm glad you're chasing down your dream with this and wish you well. And I look forward to checking in and see where you go with it next, Scott. I like your process and communication style. Thanks for asking us.

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