Hypnosis Doesn't Work

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Permalink Reply by Bren B on July 6, 2009 at 9:08pm

This sounds like someone who is covering their intellectual inadequacies with an air of certainty. They make no reference to any studies, they just act like they are THE authority. If you threaten their security by piercing their air of certainty, pointing out where they are factually wrong, you will only provoke a defensive response.

claymore58 said:

That's essentially what I meant,my bad,if I didn't clarify that enough.
In one of the chat rooms I frequent,a lot of hypno curious people ask about it.
While I don't consider myself a "missionary",if the topic comes up,I do state my views.

Fable Goodman said:

You are absolutely correct Joshua.

Hubbard asked a fellow science fiction writer, (who was also a hypnotist) to help him put together some therapy techniques to use in a science fiction novel he was writing . They combined current hypnosis practices with freudian ideas, Carl Jung's ideas on word ascosciation and technology like the Galvanic skin response meter, and came up with a fictional healing technique called Dianetics.

After Hubbard wrote the story, and people liked it.... He turned the whole thing into a psueudo religeous therapy cult.

However although Hubbard used hypnosis himself, in various ways, (as many cult leaders do) he did not want his followers to have that advantage, so he wrote strongly against hypnosis, (using varioius stereotypical misunderatndings about the dangers of hypnosis (which he may or may not have believed himself) and banned it's use. Even though it is abundantly clear to anyone who understands hypnosis, that scientology uses many hypnotic processes.


Unlike Claymore... I do not agree that "incumbent upon hypnotists to explode myths and educate people,
one by one of necessary." I explode myths with those who I choose, particularly with clients. but I am not a missionary, put on earth to convert the masses to my way of thinking.

LOve and hugs,


Fable

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Permalink Reply by chris john on July 7, 2009 at 2:24am

Good heavens..this persons reply is almost painful to read.

It goes to show they know nothing about the subject when they suggest your
playing with the 'unconscious mind'...impossible to say the least.

Does this person not realize the unconscious, is different to the subconscious and conscious mind?
Jeesh.

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Permalink Reply by Jon Rhodes on July 7, 2009 at 7:23am

I'm normally quite thick skinned to this type of thing, but its got me perplexed to say the least! Along with the surety of his statements, maybe its the comments about the unconscious mind being "not helpful to the person" as it "contains only buried memories of pain and upset" that have really thrown me. I'm sure my unconscious mind contains a little more than that, perhaps he's talking about his own!!! LOL

There is no need really to say who this person is, its a person in charge of a relatively small exercise website - I don't think wild horses could change his mind about hypnosis, so I don't think I'll be writing back!

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on July 7, 2009 at 8:28am

I agree with you Jon,

And in any event, I am not a fan of 'naming and shaming'

Your unconscious (whatever that might be) contains al sorts of things, positive, useful and some things not so useful.

I am sure this is true of him also. I think he is talking about what he has been taught, and believed.

Remember the story of the Prince, who didn't believe in islands, princesses or god?

As far as he was concerned these things did not exist, because his father, the king, had told him so.

I beseach you to believe in islands princesses and other things.

Love and hugs,


fable

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Permalink Reply by chris john on July 8, 2009 at 1:59pm

Hi fable, to answer your question,
your unconscious mind controls your body, ie movement,breathing etc.


Fable Goodman said:

I agree with you Jon,

And in any event, I am not a fan of 'naming and shaming'

Your unconscious (whatever that might be) contains al sorts of things, positive, useful and some things not so useful.

I am sure this is true of him also. I think he is talking about what he has been taught, and believed.

Remember the story of the Prince, who didn't believe in islands, princesses or god?

As far as he was concerned these things did not exist, because his father, the king, had told him so.

I beseach you to believe in islands princesses and other things.

Love and hugs,


fable

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on July 8, 2009 at 3:05pm

there is only one question mark in my posting, so not sure what question you are answering.

Don't think many people would agree with your answer. Most people would know that those things are generally directed by the 'autonomic nervous system' , although breathing can also be consciously controled.
Thanks anyway.


Love and hugs,


Fable

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Permalink Reply by Lynn Whitmire on July 8, 2009 at 4:24pm

You might invite them to go to www.pubmed.com, to type in hypnosis to see what the the medical studies say, or do they not believe in scientific studies either? Why would the AMA and British Medical Association endorse hypnosis for use by physicians if it could be so harmful? Yes, Tiger Woods and many other sport legends utilize hypnosis. I have had the honor of assisting many professional atheletes improve thier performance. Studies show that when atheletes imagine optimal performance they out perform the atheletes that actually practice! Do not allow this to discourage you. While there are a few uneducated individuals who are not in favor of using the power of their minds to improve themselves, there are many more open minded individuals. Warm Regards, Lynn

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on July 8, 2009 at 4:40pm

Hi Fable, Jon, et al,

Fable -- The missionary position can be fun -- you know...
=^..^=


When I am not helping clients or teaching - I am a social activist and over the years I have met many scientologists -- who were also challenging medicalizing and drugging Forster children in NYC.

At first, most of them made the sign of the devil as soon as they learned that I was a "Hypnotist" and my reaction was to read their bible and reframe it -- I would do the same for anyone with religious concerns about hypnosis -

I found it easy to acknowledge and reframing their concerns "Scientology's anti-hypnosis stance was/is not anti-hypnotherapy! Hubbard was up in arms about the very real deleterious effects of cultural and social conditioning and so am I. And the idea of waking up is found in many eastern philosophies...

What really broke the ice -- ws my making it clear that in my practice -- I de-hypnotize my clients.... Blah, blah, blah --

claymore58 said:

That's essentially what I meant,my bad,if I didn't clarify that enough.
In one of the chat rooms I frequent,a lot of hypno curious people ask about it. While I don't consider myself a "missionary",if the topic comes up,I do state my views.
Fable Goodman said:

You are absolutely correct Joshua.

Hubbard asked a fellow science fiction writer, (who was also a hypnotist) to help him put together some therapy techniques to use in a science fiction novel he was writing . They combined current hypnosis practices with freudian ideas, Carl Jung's ideas on word ascosciation and technology like the Galvanic skin response meter, and came up with a fictional healing technique called Dianetics.

After Hubbard wrote the story, and people liked it.... He turned the whole thing into a psueudo religeous therapy cult.

However although Hubbard used hypnosis himself, in various ways, (as many cult leaders do) he did not want his followers to have that advantage, so he wrote strongly against hypnosis, (using varioius stereotypical misunderatndings about the dangers of hypnosis (which he may or may not have believed himself) and banned it's use. Even though it is abundantly clear to anyone who understands hypnosis, that scientology uses many hypnotic processes.


Unlike Claymore... I do not agree that "incumbent upon hypnotists to explode myths and educate people,
one by one of necessary." I explode myths with those who I choose, particularly with clients. but I am not a missionary, put on earth to convert the masses to my way of thinking.

LOve and hugs,


Fable

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on July 9, 2009 at 12:03am

Michael Ellner said:

Hi Fable, Jon, et al,

Fable -- The missionary position can be fun -- you know...
=^..^=

You mean in an unfeasably large cooking pot?
Or a man lying on top of a woman?
Either way, I am not that keen.

Michael Ellner said:

Hubbard was up in arms about the very real deleterious effects of cultural and social conditioning and so am I. And the idea of waking up is found in many eastern philosophies...
What really broke the ice -- was my making it clear that in my practice -- I de-hypnotize my clients.... Blah, blah, blah --

Good one,

Gurdjieff and I agree with you. The main work is waking people up from their culturally induced hypnotic delusions.

Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Keithanthony on July 1, 2011 at 5:02am

I was going to start this discussion but I suspected I ought to check it would likely already be here. Of course hypnotism doesn't exist although clearly De - Hypnotisation does! This is how this week I happily sat, laughed, even made jokes while I keenly watched the very nice Phlebotomist apologise/insult? saying "Tiny prick" (Honest!)

It was however entirely painless, no sensation as she jabbed me, then struggle to slowly fill, and take three vials of our precious brew. I actually enjoyed, and even look forward to the process, our social chit chat was great entertainment. 

BUT WAIT THERES MORE!

Even when I was a still squinting grown up child with eyes shut, I may as well have imagined Black, and Decker or soldering iron were employed. I then used to get these appalling sensations followed by an sudden realisation of gravity before the stationary inertia of an unforgiving floor rapidly restored the equilibrium, equalising my blood pressure, bringing me then around to face the embarrasment.

Could it be that I one day considered then the folly of this unacceptable at perhaps 45 years old situation, and imagined a different outcome with neither sensation nor embarrasment of the many previous years? Yet based on the original article I shouldn't dare to insist thats hypnosis, and IMHO the purest often shouted only form being literally self hypnosis, should I?

Surely some people would interpret the Bible demands I am a demon for using my mind so creatively! LOL The first time I succeeded in remaining conscious I simply marched in jokingly confessing to the Phlebotomist that, "I used to faint but now I have overcome it I merely enjoy screaming instead!" The cherry on the cake was watching unperterbed at her hand shaking as she took a few moments to compose herself from laughing after I gave my brief salvo of jokery.

Love this thread makes me laugh even more about my blood tests.

 

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BUT WAIT THERES EVEN MORE!

Surely if Hypnosis doesn't exist then OMG neither can laughter? ;)

 

Keithanthony

 

 

 

Michael Ellner said:

Hi Fable, Jon, et al,

Fable -- The missionary position can be fun -- you know...
=^..^=


When I am not helping clients or teaching - I am a social activist and over the years I have met many scientologists -- who were also challenging medicalizing and drugging Forster children in NYC.

At first, most of them made the sign of the devil as soon as they learned that I was a "Hypnotist" and my reaction was to read their bible and reframe it -- I would do the same for anyone with religious concerns about hypnosis -

I found it easy to acknowledge and reframing their concerns "Scientology's anti-hypnosis stance was/is not anti-hypnotherapy! Hubbard was up in arms about the very real deleterious effects of cultural and social conditioning and so am I. And the idea of waking up is found in many eastern philosophies...

What really broke the ice -- ws my making it clear that in my practice -- I de-hypnotize my clients.... Blah, blah, blah --

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Permalink Reply by Keithanthony on July 1, 2011 at 5:21am

Before anyone chases me down above

Stet: Of course hypnotism doesn't  exist  "work" although clearly De - Hypnoti.....................

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by tc_Burt on July 1, 2011 at 6:29am

I am inclined to think the response you got was personal from the person who vetted your article.  There's a lot that looks like projection.  I'd probably move on unless you are really keen and if that was the case, then I'd seek out a personal contact who is a bit more open.

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