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I am wondering what approaches you may have used with clients that have "involuntary" physical aspects. To be more specific, I have one client that is a world renowned bag pipe player and has developed an "involuntary" lifting of one finger that caused him to play only two tunes incorrectly. I have another client who has a chronic cough that makes it challenging to go too far after a rapid induction.In the case of the bag pipe player, we uncovered the positive intention of the part and gained an agreement for the expected time frame in which it would cease the behavior (as long as the new behaviors were instituted) and yet minimal improvement. The client with the cough is challenging as the cough interupts the session. Yet we have been able to determine the purpose of the coughing behavior through regression to cause. Unable to continue after that due to cough.I have included waking suggestion as well as direct and indirect suggestion and post hypnotic suggestion. Any comments or approaches you may have used when working with clients with such issues? I look forward to hearing your responses. Lynn

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Lynn,
With the bagpipe player: take him into trance, reiterate the agreement, then future pace him and have him play (aka suggest he is playing) the tunes that trigger the offending finger movement. If it is still there, return to parts therapy and find out why (is there another part contributing that has not been heard from yet?) Find out what is going on just before that finger does the wrong thing, and as it comes to the part where it moves wrong, have him do an internal scan and see if he can identify the trigger. I have had pretty good success doing that with a similar case.

With the cougher: You mentioned that the purpose of the cough was discovered, but didn't mention if the purpose of the cough was significant to the issue or not. Did the part causing it agree not to cause it anymore?

Is it a productive cough? i.e. producing flem? or just a dry cough? I am sure you made sure there is not a medical issue that needs to be addressed. If theres not, use an induction based on breathing easily. Have him focus on it and just not remember that clearly just how to cough. The easier he breathes, the more problem he has remembering how to cough and the better he feels. When he draws in air to cough, he immediately exhales the air again soothing and relaxing his throat. You may even try having his throat become numb so it doesn't trigger the cough.

I hope that helps
John
Or you could just let the client cough.

Having treated thousands of smokers over the years, I have come across many people who cough. It has not been a reason to stop a session.

acknowledge the coughing, and affirm that it is perfectly fine to cough whenever the client needs to. and that in fact although the coughing may temperarlilly make them more conscious, it will be followed each time by a wave of relaxation which takes them even deeper than before, as they feel more comfortable from having cleared their throat.

Utilise whatever happens, rather than allowing it to become a saboteur.

Love and hugs,

Fable
Hi John and Fable, Thanks for your replies, So far as the bagpipe player, We did future pace and play with the "stick" and no bags (due to noise in the office) and the "involuntary" lifting did not happen. You did give me an idea though to revisit the "offending" tune and slow down time. The lifting occurs so rapidly that it was hard for the client to determine what was occuring.
The client with the cough does have lung scarring. She has had the cough for over 30 years, she is 81. The doctors have tried everything.It occurs only during waking hours, she can sleep with no cough. During a recent surgery she did not have the cough until she started getting better. My first approach was to regress to ISE. During the regression she went to one SSE- her husband that has passed away holding her which brought up waves of sadness. (This was after she had had already had the cough for years). Everytime we go near the related emotional cause, the coughing becomes profuse. My guess is that part is protecting itself. We quickly switched to the cough as a symbol which is a long tube (coughing) which reminded her of a snake (cough) which moved to being stuck in her throat -hurt and sad (coughing) She is very angry with it and wants to pull it out and kill it - no negotiating with it. I asked her if it had any message and she looked very surprised and said "attention". I quickly suggested that if that was the purpose of the cough, wasn't there a better way to get it? She has newly moved in with her daughter who is taking care of her. She feels stripped of her old active life and powerless in this life transistion. She had to leave behind her "soul mate" whom she had lived with. She is incredibly grief striken by these very real life circumstances.
Thanks for the suggestions, Lynn

John Cleesattel said:
Lynn,
With the bagpipe player: take him into trance, reiterate the agreement, then future pace him and have him play (aka suggest he is playing) the tunes that trigger the offending finger movement. If it is still there, return to parts therapy and find out why (is there another part contributing that has not been heard from yet?) Find out what is going on just before that finger does the wrong thing, and as it comes to the part where it moves wrong, have him do an internal scan and see if he can identify the trigger. I have had pretty good success doing that with a similar case.

With the cougher: You mentioned that the purpose of the cough was discovered, but didn't mention if the purpose of the cough was significant to the issue or not. Did the part causing it agree not to cause it anymore?

Is it a productive cough? i.e. producing flem? or just a dry cough? I am sure you made sure there is not a medical issue that needs to be addressed. If theres not, use an induction based on breathing easily. Have him focus on it and just not remember that clearly just how to cough. The easier he breathes, the more problem he has remembering how to cough and the better he feels. When he draws in air to cough, he immediately exhales the air again soothing and relaxing his throat. You may even try having his throat become numb so it doesn't trigger the cough.

I hope that helps
John
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Lynn,
I would maybe set it up at the beginning of the session, not sure but it would be worth a try.
Say at the beginning of the session and during the induction, during this time and any time during the session you will find that any coughing just make you go deeper and more relaxed, the more you relax the less you cough, the less you cough the more you relax....
I don't know might be a shot in the dark but let me know if it works..
Best to you,
Michael Almaraz CHT, NLP, RP
www.deeperstate.com

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