Hypnosis Helping Heal Herpes?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Andrade on November 21, 2008 at 8:41am

I left out a word and it didn't let me correct it, so here is the part of the sentence that I left the word out of: have it enjoy being there even more than being active.

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 21, 2008 at 8:42am

Steve,

I never even bring up the subject of herpes during the actual hypnotherapy session...after my discussion and the possibilities followed with cognitive therapy, I only work on stress reduction and relaxation, that always worked and seeing themselves happy, active and positive.

My 2 cents.
Doreen

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Permalink Reply by Steve Andrade on November 21, 2008 at 8:48am

Dealing with herpes may be crossing the line, I was just passing on what I have heard, please do follow the laws and rules. You may even find a way to get the same message across and having the session be all about stress. Be safe, do no harm, and be creative.
Steve

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on November 21, 2008 at 9:26am

Hi Doreen, et al,

No one is testing to see if a virus is gone -- the general belief is that once infected by a virus, it becomes part of our genetic "map" and that belief is what is behind the belief that viruses can not be eliminated...

According to the latest thinking in immunology, our bodies produce antibodies which neutralize or put viral outbreaks back to "sleep" unless one's immune system is malfunctioning. A healthy person has a low level of antibodies for every exposure that they have ever had in their entire lives - so that if we are exposed again our bodies are able to act immediately -- There is a huge difference between testing positive for prior exposure and testing positive for an active infection-- Generally speaking a lack of symptoms indicates a prior exposure...

When a person has a herpes outbreak they have more reactivated viruses in their bodies than neutralizing antibodies at the moment of their outbreak -- Within a period of time we produce enough antibodies to put the viruses back to sleep-- and experience a remission of symptoms -- Stressed states slow this process down and I believe that hypnosis helps by moving folks out of their stressed states-- at which time their inner-doctors become more effective...

Folks-- Herpes is a very common and generally benign infection and most people infected with HHVs never have an outbreak or any evidence of their infection (beyond a positive antibody test) for their whole lives... The relatively few (about 5 to 10%) of people who do have outbreaks have different times frames for expressiing their reactions to stress -- which appears to justify the idea of sexual transmission -- However, when the NIH studied the actual viral samples in discordant couples who seemed to sero-convert as a result of sexual transmission, they discovered that the new cases were very often different strains and could not possibly be the result of one partner infecting the other as had been believed...

By the way, the is zero scientific proof that anyone/anywhere has gotten herpes as the result of rape-- That would require catching the rapist and proving that the rapist was infected in the first place and if so that his strain matched his victims strain-- The claim that a rapist infected his victim is presumptive...

Doreen, you have direct experience helping people learn how to manage stress and that enables their inner-doctors to put the virus back to sleep -- Now think about this -- Most people infected with herpes do not ever show symptoms or signs of their herpes infection -- So a man or women could be infected their whole lives and never show it --RAPE IS EXTEMELY STRESSFUL and is capable of lowering ones immune function to the level that activates their previous infection-- It now appears and is assumed that they were infected by the rapist.

One more thought, Public Health is committed to discouraging sex for a wide range of social considerations that go beyond basic health and being honest with the public -- For example, the fear of HIV and herpes are used to discourage teenage sex and thus reduce teenage pregnancies- which is viewed as a drain on society...

Michael E.
Alternative Health Educator

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Permalink Reply by Jerry on November 21, 2008 at 10:29am

Thank You

I really appreciate the theory being discussed on here because it gives me background and understanding.

I also like the super glue idea.
Do any of you have more script ideas, more imagery/metaphors I can use to help my friend?

I don't remember who asked, but yeah, it's type 2 (genital). Michael, I don't pretend to be an expert on any of this, but for the record, he said he got it from a girl he was stationed with. Apparently deployment can get a little lonely...

please keep the suggestions coming,
~Jerry~

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on November 21, 2008 at 10:57am

hey jerry-

As a society, we are socially hypnotized to think of sex and herpes in negative ways -- My only reason for continuing in this line of thinking within this disscussion is to offer folks an alternative view --

consider this, your friend could have been born with the "infection" and never suffered symptoms as most people who are infected do not show any symptoms throughout their lives - many years later - your friend grows up and he is lonely and deployed and both are very stressful states -- His life-time infection which has always been latent up to this point is reactivated and he suffers a herpes outbreak... His first thought and belief is "that bitch infected me" or some such thought...

The point I am sharing here is that any model that your friend believes will help will help as long as you get him into rest and digest states -- from that point on the healing is AUTOMATIC

Warmest regards,
me

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Permalink Reply by Scott Sandland on November 21, 2008 at 11:05am

Interesting thought Michael...

you could think of the stress of deployment (which I really can't imagine) and what it does to your body. Add to it the fear and ritual associated with unprotected sex... hmmmm...

Jerry-
The little I know of viruses is that in general they can lay dormant for years without ever becoming symptomatic. Let's focus on the future for a moment and help him understand that he can put this thing into an incredibly long term remission by taking care of himself. I bet you will get some more imagery and specifics on how to do that. Maybe he will want to use a battle/war metaphor of his body fighting it off (then again he may want to completely avoid that).

Ask him what makes sense to him. I'm looking forward to other suggestions on this one.

-Scott

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 21, 2008 at 12:31pm

Hi Scott,

One of the clients I had a year a go, was loyal in his marriage and his wife got the herpes, later they found out he had it, and he was the one who gave it to her, since she was loyal and virgin when they meet.
Then he remembered on his bachelor's party he slept with the girl his friends had... he was too waisted to remember much, 10 years later boom he gave it to his wife...
His wife divorced him and it was really hard for both, today they are friends, she is married and have a child...
Only he was my client, she was out of state..
So that goes for the viruses tat in general do lay dormant for years without ever becoming symptomatic.

Doreen

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 21, 2008 at 1:32pm

Thanks Michael, I know most of the facts about herpes and I do agree with you on all of them, but I am only sharing what I was tolled by my clients and their psychiatrist or other medical experts at the time... I work with sexually abused people, who had been infected as a result of rape... maybe the client had the virus but it was transmitted to them by sexual contact, that is all I know and that is all i can tell.

Thanks Doreen

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on November 24, 2008 at 2:39pm

Jerry, Steve, Scott, Doreen, et al,

Saw this quote while looking for another quote and it reminded me of our discussion-

"Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
R. D. Laing

Right on Dr Laing!

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Permalink Reply by Steve Andrade on November 24, 2008 at 5:01pm

Hello Michael,

There was something I liked about your quote and something I didn't like about your quote. The word dis-ease........When it comes to life, dis-ease is very possible, but because enjoyment is also possible, I would have to replace the word dis-ease with a word somewhere between dis-ease and joyous event.

The part I like is the beginning, (sex), and that the end part, 100% mortality rate is not part of the 70 to 100 years of life.

So the quote you posted reads like this, "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."

But I hear and see it like this, "Life is a sexually transmitted joyous event and you get anywhere between 70 to 100 years to enjoy it, and then when you are done....you can enjoy an after life if this is what you believe in."

I guess my glass is full.

Enjoy,
Steve

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on November 24, 2008 at 5:20pm

=^..^= Yep - your glass seems to be full-- Steve... =^..^=

My reframe for the moment is: "Life is a sexually transmitted joyous event and there are no guarantees - so you better live fully and enjoy life, now..."

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