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In other discussions we had people come along with different ideas and and believe systems, which it brings me to this new discussion.
Hugh, suggested to STAY OUT OF THE BIBLE... STAY AWAY FROM JUSTIFICATION ... AND STAY OUT OF YOUR OWN HEAD :). Since we as Hypnotherapist. Life Coach and and Spiritual Healers work with client's, where we need to be able to adopt our client's core belief's and work within them and cleanly jettison them after a session. Whether they are real or not... they are constructs the unconscious mind uses to talk with the conscious mind and that's very real to our client.
Or whether our client makes a breakthrough because he/ she was Cleopatra in their past life or he/she was the fairy Queen of Endor, it doesn't matter.
And this brings me to this question: What do you do, If have a client who believes in Christ, Buddha, Angels, Spirits, Ghost or other?
Do you disagree with them or impose your personal ideas, opinion or thoughts?
Or, do you use what ever their belief is and help them achieve their goals and desire?
I believe my part in this hypnotherapy session is to be available fully to support my clients goals, or even their believes as long as it is appropriate and they do not suggest harm to anyone.
I also believe that my part in helping my client is to guide them and to educate them based to what they need, so they can use the knowledge and the tools to help in the healing process, by understanding the power of their own mind.
Just wondering if anyone else believe in this method of respecting and working with clients in the way that is best for them.
And If not, how do you chose to help this client?
Do you impose your religion and believes on them, by trying to prove they are wrong and you are right?
Do you offer more educational material for them to read so you can convince them your way is the best way?
Or do you tell them that you know some other therapist who will be happy to work with them, stating you don't have 1. an experience in the ares they need help? or 2. you tell them the truth that you simply don't believe in what they do and therefore you would like to refer them out to someone else, so they can benefit from the therapy, etc.
I have one request, please answer the questions and do not use this discussion to impose specific religion, and please understand there is no right and wrong, so no insults are allowed.
Lets have some fun and at the same time a great serious discussion, If you not comfortable with this discussion, feel free not to respond, and lets us have some understandings.
Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht,HBCE
www.HypnoCruise.com
Hugh, suggested to STAY OUT OF THE BIBLE... STAY AWAY FROM JUSTIFICATION ... AND STAY OUT OF YOUR OWN HEAD :). Since we as Hypnotherapist. Life Coach and and Spiritual Healers work with client's, where we need to be able to adopt our client's core belief's and work within them and cleanly jettison them after a session. Whether they are real or not... they are constructs the unconscious mind uses to talk with the conscious mind and that's very real to our client.
Or whether our client makes a breakthrough because he/ she was Cleopatra in their past life or he/she was the fairy Queen of Endor, it doesn't matter.
And this brings me to this question: What do you do, If have a client who believes in Christ, Buddha, Angels, Spirits, Ghost or other?
Do you disagree with them or impose your personal ideas, opinion or thoughts?
Or, do you use what ever their belief is and help them achieve their goals and desire?
I believe my part in this hypnotherapy session is to be available fully to support my clients goals, or even their believes as long as it is appropriate and they do not suggest harm to anyone.
I also believe that my part in helping my client is to guide them and to educate them based to what they need, so they can use the knowledge and the tools to help in the healing process, by understanding the power of their own mind.
Just wondering if anyone else believe in this method of respecting and working with clients in the way that is best for them.
And If not, how do you chose to help this client?
Do you impose your religion and believes on them, by trying to prove they are wrong and you are right?
Do you offer more educational material for them to read so you can convince them your way is the best way?
Or do you tell them that you know some other therapist who will be happy to work with them, stating you don't have 1. an experience in the ares they need help? or 2. you tell them the truth that you simply don't believe in what they do and therefore you would like to refer them out to someone else, so they can benefit from the therapy, etc.
I have one request, please answer the questions and do not use this discussion to impose specific religion, and please understand there is no right and wrong, so no insults are allowed.
Lets have some fun and at the same time a great serious discussion, If you not comfortable with this discussion, feel free not to respond, and lets us have some understandings.
Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht,HBCE
www.HypnoCruise.com
Tags: Beliefs, Clients, Hypnosis, People..., Referrals, Religion
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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on -
A lot of this conversation has revolved around PLR, so as someone who believes in reincarnation, I wanted to make a few comments:
I think most people get an unconscious impression of whether a hypnotist is open to PLR, which might be why Gil Boyne has been approached about it so rarely. (In my short career, I've been approached about it more than he has in his long and illustrious career.)
Even though I believe in reincarnation, I never propose PLR to a client. Even with those who ask for it and believe in reincarnation, I warn them that there's no guarantee that PLR taps into an actual past life memory (just as current life regression might result in false memories). It may simply be the unconscious mind's way of delivering a message to them.
But more important than any of that, I encourage them to live this life rather than dwell on the past. (If that's injecting my own beliefs, so be it.)
Few things make me roll my eyes quite as much as people who go around bragging (or moaning) about their past lives. I heard of one nutcase who was delivering lectures about life in King Arthur's court--based entirely on his past life memories. It's as embarrassing to a sincere reincarnationist as sidewalk fanatic preachers are to sincere Christians.
When we began the PLR part of my own training, I was rather skeptical. I'd had spontaneous past life experiences (which I recognize could have simply been waking dreams rather than memories), so I was curious to see if my UM would just recreate those. Instead, I had a totally bizarre and unrelated experience.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter if PLR is real, so long as it is helpful to the client.
I had a client once who told me that someone kept trying to sit down with her at the table during her session. (The visualization had involved ordering qualities she wanted from a restaurant menu.) She'd kept telling him to leave her alone. I asked if it was someone she knew, and she answered that it was her best friend who'd died a year before. I asked if she had anything she wanted to say to him, and she nodded, so I guided her through having a conversation with him and reaching closure.
Was she really visited by a ghost? Heck if I know. Does it matter so long as it led to healing (and not harmful behavior)? Not really.
My two cents,
James
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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on -
Two randon responses to James earlier post:
Preacher walks past gardener, and says:
"what a wonderfull job, you and God have done making this garden beautiful!"
Gardener says:
"you should have seen the state of it when god had it to himself!"
The kiss of the sun for pardon,
The song of the birds for mirth,--
One is nearer God's heart in a garden
Than anywhere else on earth.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Zappellini on -
Hi Doreen,
I agree with everyone here in particular with Michael and Gil like them in my 30 years experience only a couple of time came out about PLR and like them I referred them out.
Just my 2 cents
Michael Z.
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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on
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LOL!
The poem reminds me a lot of Yeats' poem about the fiddler being invited into heaven before the priest and the bishop. Then again, I play fiddle, so I might be a bit biased . . .
Fable Goodman said:Two randon responses to James earlier post:
Preacher walks past gardener, and says:
"what a wonderfull job, you and God have done making this garden beautiful!"
Gardener says:
"you should have seen the state of it when god had it to himself!"
The kiss of the sun for pardon,
The song of the birds for mirth,--
One is nearer God's heart in a garden
Than anywhere else on earth.
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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Hanover on
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Apologies in advance for the length of this post. :) Here are the lyrics to my favorite religious song. It never fails to make me smile, especially when I can't find my Tupperware lids. I think the message that God (however you define that) is in everybody and everything is cool and uplifting. This song helps me remember to look for the good in everything.
GOD IS IN
By Billy Jonas, Laura Mahr and Chris Chandler
As performed by Billy Jonas
(Click on the link to listen to a sample of it on Amazon)
God is in the child's eyes, see them wide, wondrous, wise
God is in the rain and snow, and each snowflake: this we know
God is in the trees and air; the rocks, the birds, the bees, the bears
God is in the clouds above; God is in each act of love
God is in the oceans deep, some say God goes there to sleep
God is in the mountains high, whistling a lullaby God is in the darkest woods,
God is in your neighborhood
God is in a place that's near; sometimes it's just not so clear
God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in
God is in your strangest pleasure; some say God is into leather
God is into body piercing; in your nipple, lip, and nose ring
God is in your new tattoo, in your scars and birthmarks too
God is in your brand new nose in your control top pantyhose
God is in the latest fad, except for bungie jumping -- thats dangerous and bad
God is in your cellular phone, God will not leave you alone
God is in the internet, wondering why you're not there yet
God is in Vogue, and Spin, and Rolling Stone cuz God is IN!
God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in
God is in the Christian house; bread and wine and holy cross
God is in the Jewish home; shalom chaverim, shalom
God is in the Muslim, Allah hu akbar salaam
God is in the Hindu way, jai bagwan! namaste
God is in those dancing Pagans, in each drop of perspiration
God is in the Wiccan coven; twelve plus one -- a perfect dozen!
God is in the Druid's song, that's why they go on so long
God is in the Buddhist’s chair saying "don't just do something -- sit there!"
God is in the Vatican; God goes there for vacation
God is in the Quaker meeting, sleeping 'til they start the singing
God is in your guru; how do you spell that? "Gee, you - are - you"
God is in the atheist, saying "yeah, I don't exist"
God is in the flowing Tao, then and now and now and now
God is in the Rastaman; I and I and on and on
God is in the Moonie wedding; who gets who -- begin the betting
God is in the Hare Krishna, rub their heads and make a wish now
God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in
God is in your bank account, sometimes juggling the amount
God is in your ATM, counting bills and stacking them
God is in your college fund, laughing cuz it's gone gone gone
God is in your IRA, adding interest every day
God is in your pocket change, your job is giving it to strangers
God is in the beggar's cup; sometimes God just fills it up
God is in the empty hand, spent it all on cheap Almaden;
God was in the S & L's but left, that's why they went to hell
God is in the Wal-Mart; greets you with a shopping cart
God is in your old jalopy, makes it go when it should not be
God is in the Greyhound bus, sitting in back, watching us
God is in 'tourist class,' on a frequent flyer pass
God is in the pilot light; dancing through the night
God is in the radio, Wolfman Jack told me so
God is in the microwave, unless you try to use something metal –
then the microwave is the devil; also don't microwave with Saran wrap cuz it forms molecular bonds with your food and turns your intestines into Tupperware
God is in your Tupperware, but not the lids, so buy some spares
God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in .... God is in
God is in the ozone layer; holier and holier
God is in the atom bomb or at least the atom bomber's mom
God is in Chechnya, Srebrenica, Slovenica, Serbia, Marovia, Liberia, Herzegovia, Yugoslavia, Montana, Oklahoma
God is incredulous at all the stuff we do to us
God is inspired by those who fly and those who try
God is insatiable so sing and dance way past full
God is in you and me, someday God will help us see that
God is in love with love so live and love and that's enough
God is inside of you and all you don't and all you do
God is in your greatest doubt, the jury's out, the doctor's out, but
God is in, God is in, God is in your darkest sin, and out and in, and out and in, and
God is in .... God is in.... God is Zen.... Goddess in .... God is in
Fable Goodman said:Two randon responses to James earlier post:
Preacher walks past gardener, and says: "what a wonderfull job, you and God have done making this garden beautiful!"
Gardener says:
"you should have seen the state of it when god had it to himself!"
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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on -
Thank you Kathleen,
Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on
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Yes Pete, and that's true.
Blessings, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on
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Thanks GIL BOYNE,
Not talking just about PLR, I am talking about the client having other religion or personal beliefs, such as politics, religion and etc...
I am sure you don't tell them you are or what you know is also best for them or try to prove them wrong, but I know others that do, I see their clients, that is how I know that it is done.
Thanks Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on -
Sir Green,
That's my favourite quote from Jung...
But I guess you knew that ;-P
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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on
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And my favourite Quote from Jung:
True art is creation, and creation is beyond all theories. That is why I say to any beginner; Learn your theories as well as you can, but put them aside when you touch the miracle of the living soul. Not theories but your creative individuality alone must
decide.
Love and hugs,
Fable
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Permalink Reply by GIL BOYNE on
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Hello Fable, Thank you for this quote. It is now one of my favorite favorites. Gil
Fable Goodman said:And my favourite Quote from Jung:
True art is creation, and creation is beyond all theories. That is why I say to any beginner; Learn your theories as well as you can, but put them aside when you touch the miracle of the living soul. Not theories but your creative individuality alone must
decide.
Love and hugs,
Fable
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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on
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Great quote Fable,
Thanks Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
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