Hypnosis, Religion, Beliefs and Referrals...

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Permalink Reply by GIL BOYNE on December 5, 2009 at 6:03am

Hugh said; " A therapist tends to attract clients based on a certain reputation he develops over time"

Hello Hugh, I do not think that this applies to me as I never discussed PLR in public or private so I had no "reputation" as an "anti-PLR" antagonist. Unless you mean my clients were "mind readers"
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Hugh Cole said:

Hi Doreen ... I am really flattered that you took my response and turned it into a whole thread, Some really good responses here.

Gil, Micheal.. Your experience is very real, but not as germane to the norm as you might think. A therapist tends to attract clients based on a certain reputation he develops over time, Although Gil I can completely agree with you on certain trainers that push "PLR" as a way of life. (er income stream). I have also said previously that "PLR" brings with it a great deal of unneccesary baggage,and that whether it is real ot not I view it as a construct for the unconcious mind to send "info" to concious awareness,
I believe though that certain therapists would and do see this more often because they are open to it and perceived as less judgemental. While my own religious philosophy is strongly Christian, in my role as a hypnotist, I believe I am considered totally non judgemental, "kink-friendly", and able to operate within the belief system of the human being sitting in my chair. Some of the people I see have a belief system that would include.. "a dissociated clone" who actually caused the problem they have" and I do see that in one form or another. I choose to play the ball where it lays and use the info to get to the real heart of the matter. Mental and emotional Garbage needs to taken to the trash and i don't care how I find it as long as I find it..
I would think though that hypnotists with a strong belief in PLR would tend to find it (er,, make it, discover it perhaps) much more often than I would. which gets back to the original point of ther thread, STAY OUT OF YOUR OWN HEAD.. DON'T IMPRINT YOUR BELIEFS.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by GIL BOYNE on December 5, 2009 at 6:09am

Paul,No, it is not the same thing! This thread is about religion and spiritual philosophies and conflicts with or transmission to clients. Frankly, I never have had anyone attempt to prosyletize their beliefs to me and vice versa.
Mr Green said:

Hugh,

If someone came to me for smoking cessation and I said 'No sorry, it's not in my belief system to deal with such a thing, but I can refer you..' Is that not the same thing?

remember, you can't not do nothing, as even none action is something.

If a non smoking therapist saw a person that smoked would it be wrong to say to him, 'I think you should see a hypnotherapist about your smoking habit' is that the same thing as imprinting beliefs?

Paul~

Hugh Cole said:

I would think though that hypnotists with a strong belief in PLR would tend to find it (er,, make it, discover it perhaps) much more often than I would. which gets back to the original point of ther thread, STAY OUT OF YOUR OWN HEAD.. DON'T IMPRINT YOUR BELIEFS.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on December 5, 2009 at 6:30am

I like it too, It brings a wide smile into my face, thanks James :)

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on December 5, 2009 at 6:32am

Thank you my friend Mr. Hugh Cole:)

I just had the feeling that with your response I can turn it into a whole thread :), and I guess I was right, there are great responses.

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on December 5, 2009 at 6:40am

Good for you :)

Now can you guys give me some advice, I am up since yesterday, being here and responding to the discussion can be addictive, what do I need to do to make sure, that I can read all the great informations on here and get some good night sleep too?

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Scott Cooper on December 5, 2009 at 7:35am

OK Doreen,,

Find a comfy chair,, lie down,, and very easily,, when you are ready,, turn inside,, and focus only on your breathing, knowing, you have started a wonderful thread,, and at your own pace,, when every level of your being is feeling ready,, imagine a safe place that you have been to,, a place that makes you feel safe and peaceful,, now imagine that your breathing,, that the air around you is now a beautifu, warm, loving, healing bright light,, and as you breath,, juuuuuuussssssssttttt let go,, and right now,, just surprise yourself and enjoy,,, and trust that this thread,, this site,, your computer will all be there when you return from your wonderful, rejuvenating, peaceful rest that you fully deserve.. Know that as you sleep,, the rest of us will be here, adding to your thread,, imagine that it unfolds moooorreee and morreeeee,, and you find it very easy to just let go,,,

Great thread Doreen,, and everyone else on this thread,,

I truly learn so much every time I read positive threads,, as a community we are all growing,, learning,, at our own pace,, can search for what ever we want, can start a thread, support one thread,, ect

And here's a poem for you,, a little short

Doreen this is a great thread,,

Now put on comfy clothes

And off to bed!!!!!!

Have a great day,

Scott




Doreen Cohanim C.Ht said:

Good for you :)

Now can you guys give me some advice, I am up since yesterday, being here and responding to the discussion can be addictive, what do I need to do to make sure, that I can read all the great informations on here and get some good night sleep too?

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on December 5, 2009 at 7:48am

Thank you Gil Couldn't have said it better myself ... Unless of Course Paul found some sacramental value in smoking.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

GIL BOYNE said:

Paul,No, it is not the same thing! This thread is about religion and spiritual philosophies and conflicts with or transmission to clients. Frankly, I never have had anyone attempt to prosyletize their beliefs to me and vice versa.
Mr Green said:

Hugh,

If someone came to me for smoking cessation and I said 'No sorry, it's not in my belief system to deal with such a thing, but I can refer you..' Is that not the same thing?

remember, you can't not do nothing, as even none action is something.

If a non smoking therapist saw a person that smoked would it be wrong to say to him, 'I think you should see a hypnotherapist about your smoking habit' is that the same thing as imprinting beliefs?

Paul~

Hugh Cole said:

I would think though that hypnotists with a strong belief in PLR would tend to find it (er,, make it, discover it perhaps) much more often than I would. which gets back to the original point of ther thread, STAY OUT OF YOUR OWN HEAD.. DON'T IMPRINT YOUR BELIEFS.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on December 5, 2009 at 8:37am

Whether your distaste for a particular session or method is religious or not, if you feel that you can't do a good job for personal reasons, you should refer the client to someone else.

So if you are opposed to PLR to the degree that you wouldn't feel comfortable doing it, and a client asks for it, I believe you should send the client elsewhere.

Now, if a client came to me and said, "I want to lose control of my bladder as part of my sexual kink," I would send them to someone else. I'm fairly open-minded, but I recognize my limits.

Is that imposing my views on them, as Mr. Green would suggest? Perhaps, but not as much as say, suggesting to someone with claustrophobia that the fear may be the result of a past-life trauma or demonic possession.

It's true that no one is perfectly neutral--you can't not communicate. But as professionals we can do our best to get out of the way and limit inappropriate influence.

James

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on December 5, 2009 at 9:49am

Hi Hugh,

I do not discount your belief that all of us often attract clients who are shall we say on the same "Wavelength" or who are aware of our reputations. On the other hand - I have rep for being open minded and very effective.

Nor, I have I shared my private opinions about PLT or PLR publicly. Keeping in mind that potential clients seeking these services can easily find Hypnos that specialize and promote these approaches-- I believe that Gil and my experiences are far more "normal" or reflective of a general lack of interest than you think...

Michael E.


Hugh Cole said:

Hi Doreen ... I am really flattered that you took my response and turned it into a whole thread, Some really good responses here.

Gil, Micheal.. Your experience is very real, but not as germane to the norm as you might think. A therapist tends to attract clients based on a certain reputation he develops over time, Although Gil I can completely agree with you on certain trainers that push "PLR" as a way of life. (er income stream). I have also said previously that "PLR" brings with it a great deal of unneccesary baggage,and that whether it is real ot not I view it as a construct for the unconcious mind to send "info" to concious awareness,
I believe though that certain therapists would and do see this more often because they are open to it and perceived as less judgemental. While my own religious philosophy is strongly Christian, in my role as a hypnotist, I believe I am considered totally non judgemental, "kink-friendly", and able to operate within the belief system of the human being sitting in my chair. Some of the people I see have a belief system that would include.. "a dissociated clone" who actually caused the problem they have" and I do see that in one form or another. I choose to play the ball where it lays and use the info to get to the real heart of the matter. Mental and emotional Garbage needs to taken to the trash and i don't care how I find it as long as I find it..
I would think though that hypnotists with a strong belief in PLR would tend to find it (er,, make it, discover it perhaps) much more often than I would. which gets back to the original point of ther thread, STAY OUT OF YOUR OWN HEAD.. DON'T IMPRINT YOUR BELIEFS.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on December 5, 2009 at 10:20am

OOOOH... Diaper folk .. Not in my chair either, Enough problems with the dogs. I can put you on to some great superabsorbant shamee's though.

Hugh Cole
The pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

James Hazlerig said:

Whether your distaste for a particular session or method is religious or not, if you feel that you can't do a good job for personal reasons, you should refer the client to someone else.

So if you are opposed to PLR to the degree that you wouldn't feel comfortable doing it, and a client asks for it, I believe you should send the client elsewhere.

Now, if a client came to me and said, "I want to lose control of my bladder as part of my sexual kink," I would send them to someone else. I'm fairly open-minded, but I recognize my limits.

Is that imposing my views on them, as Mr. Green would suggest? Perhaps, but not as much as say, suggesting to someone with claustrophobia that the fear may be the result of a past-life trauma or demonic possession.

It's true that no one is perfectly neutral--you can't not communicate. But as professionals we can do our best to get out of the way and limit inappropriate influence.

James

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on December 5, 2009 at 10:42am

(Same wavelenght I get it) I know you are very open minded Micheal and exceptionally compassionate. I agree that you and I and Gil would all agree that there is a "general" lack of interest in PLR related services because we don't promote them and because none of us feel the approach is particularly effective. However from the standpoint of those who passionately believe in it, teach it and promote it,.. there may be a steady stream of folk who think the approach is wonderful and has solved lifelong dilemnas for them. There is certainly enough interest in such things to keep some media spotlights trained on the subject and there are more Shirley MacClaines in the Collective Cognitive Conciousness than one could imagine,

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet.

Michael Ellner said:

Hi Hugh,

I do not discount your belief that all of us often attract clients who are shall we say on the same "save-lenghtt" or who are aware of our reputaions. On the other hand - I have rep for being open minded and very effective.

Nor, I have I shared my private opeions about PLT or PLR publically. Keeping in mind that potential clients seeking these services can easily find Hypnos that specialize and promote these approaches-- I believe that Gil and my experiences are far more "normal" or reflective of a general lack of interst than you think...

Michael E.



GIL BOYNE said:

Hugh said; " A therapist tends to attract clients based on a certain reputation he develops over time"

Hello Hugh, I do not think that this applies to me as I never discussed PLR in public or private so I had no "reputation" as an "anti-PLR" antagonist. Unless you mean my clients were "mind readers"
.
Hugh Cole said:

Hi Doreen ... I am really flattered that you took my response and turned it into a whole thread, Some really good responses here.

Gil, Micheal.. Your experience is very real, but not as germane to the norm as you might think. A therapist tends to attract clients based on a certain reputation he develops over time, Although Gil I can completely agree with you on certain trainers that push "PLR" as a way of life. (er income stream). I have also said previously that "PLR" brings with it a great deal of unneccesary baggage,and that whether it is real ot not I view it as a construct for the unconcious mind to send "info" to concious awareness,
I believe though that certain therapists would and do see this more often because they are open to it and perceived as less judgemental. While my own religious philosophy is strongly Christian, in my role as a hypnotist, I believe I am considered totally non judgemental, "kink-friendly", and able to operate within the belief system of the human being sitting in my chair. Some of the people I see have a belief system that would include.. "a dissociated clone" who actually caused the problem they have" and I do see that in one form or another. I choose to play the ball where it lays and use the info to get to the real heart of the matter. Mental and emotional Garbage needs to taken to the trash and i don't care how I find it as long as I find it..
I would think though that hypnotists with a strong belief in PLR would tend to find it (er,, make it, discover it perhaps) much more often than I would. which gets back to the original point of ther thread, STAY OUT OF YOUR OWN HEAD.. DON'T IMPRINT YOUR BELIEFS.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on December 5, 2009 at 11:11am

There's a scene in the movie Dark Corners, in which the main character is chatting with an elderly lady in the waiting room of a hypnotherapist. The older lady says that the hypnotherapist is just wonderful--he cured her of incontinence. Then, with a beatific smile, she adds, "And, dear, just a word to the wise--don't sit in that chair over there. That's where I sat before my first appointment . . . "

I have to confess, I've had more people approach me about PLR than diaper-play. Maybe clients really can read our minds. :-)

James

Hugh Cole said:

OOOOH... Diaper folk .. Not in my chair either, Enough problems with the dogs. I can put you on to some great superabsorbant shamee's though.

Hugh Cole
The pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

James Hazlerig said:

Whether your distaste for a particular session or method is religious or not, if you feel that you can't do a good job for personal reasons, you should refer the client to someone else.

So if you are opposed to PLR to the degree that you wouldn't feel comfortable doing it, and a client asks for it, I believe you should send the client elsewhere.

Now, if a client came to me and said, "I want to lose control of my bladder as part of my sexual kink," I would send them to someone else. I'm fairly open-minded, but I recognize my limits.

Is that imposing my views on them, as Mr. Green would suggest? Perhaps, but not as much as say, suggesting to someone with claustrophobia that the fear may be the result of a past-life trauma or demonic possession.

It's true that no one is perfectly neutral--you can't not communicate. But as professionals we can do our best to get out of the way and limit inappropriate influence.

James

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