Hypnosis, Religion, Beliefs and Referrals...

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on December 5, 2009 at 10:20am

OOOOH... Diaper folk .. Not in my chair either, Enough problems with the dogs. I can put you on to some great superabsorbant shamee's though.

Hugh Cole
The pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

James Hazlerig said:

Whether your distaste for a particular session or method is religious or not, if you feel that you can't do a good job for personal reasons, you should refer the client to someone else.

So if you are opposed to PLR to the degree that you wouldn't feel comfortable doing it, and a client asks for it, I believe you should send the client elsewhere.

Now, if a client came to me and said, "I want to lose control of my bladder as part of my sexual kink," I would send them to someone else. I'm fairly open-minded, but I recognize my limits.

Is that imposing my views on them, as Mr. Green would suggest? Perhaps, but not as much as say, suggesting to someone with claustrophobia that the fear may be the result of a past-life trauma or demonic possession.

It's true that no one is perfectly neutral--you can't not communicate. But as professionals we can do our best to get out of the way and limit inappropriate influence.

James

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on December 5, 2009 at 10:42am

(Same wavelenght I get it) I know you are very open minded Micheal and exceptionally compassionate. I agree that you and I and Gil would all agree that there is a "general" lack of interest in PLR related services because we don't promote them and because none of us feel the approach is particularly effective. However from the standpoint of those who passionately believe in it, teach it and promote it,.. there may be a steady stream of folk who think the approach is wonderful and has solved lifelong dilemnas for them. There is certainly enough interest in such things to keep some media spotlights trained on the subject and there are more Shirley MacClaines in the Collective Cognitive Conciousness than one could imagine,

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet.

Michael Ellner said:

Hi Hugh,

I do not discount your belief that all of us often attract clients who are shall we say on the same "save-lenghtt" or who are aware of our reputaions. On the other hand - I have rep for being open minded and very effective.

Nor, I have I shared my private opeions about PLT or PLR publically. Keeping in mind that potential clients seeking these services can easily find Hypnos that specialize and promote these approaches-- I believe that Gil and my experiences are far more "normal" or reflective of a general lack of interst than you think...

Michael E.



GIL BOYNE said:

Hugh said; " A therapist tends to attract clients based on a certain reputation he develops over time"

Hello Hugh, I do not think that this applies to me as I never discussed PLR in public or private so I had no "reputation" as an "anti-PLR" antagonist. Unless you mean my clients were "mind readers"
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Hugh Cole said:

Hi Doreen ... I am really flattered that you took my response and turned it into a whole thread, Some really good responses here.

Gil, Micheal.. Your experience is very real, but not as germane to the norm as you might think. A therapist tends to attract clients based on a certain reputation he develops over time, Although Gil I can completely agree with you on certain trainers that push "PLR" as a way of life. (er income stream). I have also said previously that "PLR" brings with it a great deal of unneccesary baggage,and that whether it is real ot not I view it as a construct for the unconcious mind to send "info" to concious awareness,
I believe though that certain therapists would and do see this more often because they are open to it and perceived as less judgemental. While my own religious philosophy is strongly Christian, in my role as a hypnotist, I believe I am considered totally non judgemental, "kink-friendly", and able to operate within the belief system of the human being sitting in my chair. Some of the people I see have a belief system that would include.. "a dissociated clone" who actually caused the problem they have" and I do see that in one form or another. I choose to play the ball where it lays and use the info to get to the real heart of the matter. Mental and emotional Garbage needs to taken to the trash and i don't care how I find it as long as I find it..
I would think though that hypnotists with a strong belief in PLR would tend to find it (er,, make it, discover it perhaps) much more often than I would. which gets back to the original point of ther thread, STAY OUT OF YOUR OWN HEAD.. DON'T IMPRINT YOUR BELIEFS.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on December 5, 2009 at 11:11am

There's a scene in the movie Dark Corners, in which the main character is chatting with an elderly lady in the waiting room of a hypnotherapist. The older lady says that the hypnotherapist is just wonderful--he cured her of incontinence. Then, with a beatific smile, she adds, "And, dear, just a word to the wise--don't sit in that chair over there. That's where I sat before my first appointment . . . "

I have to confess, I've had more people approach me about PLR than diaper-play. Maybe clients really can read our minds. :-)

James

Hugh Cole said:

OOOOH... Diaper folk .. Not in my chair either, Enough problems with the dogs. I can put you on to some great superabsorbant shamee's though.

Hugh Cole
The pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

James Hazlerig said:

Whether your distaste for a particular session or method is religious or not, if you feel that you can't do a good job for personal reasons, you should refer the client to someone else.

So if you are opposed to PLR to the degree that you wouldn't feel comfortable doing it, and a client asks for it, I believe you should send the client elsewhere.

Now, if a client came to me and said, "I want to lose control of my bladder as part of my sexual kink," I would send them to someone else. I'm fairly open-minded, but I recognize my limits.

Is that imposing my views on them, as Mr. Green would suggest? Perhaps, but not as much as say, suggesting to someone with claustrophobia that the fear may be the result of a past-life trauma or demonic possession.

It's true that no one is perfectly neutral--you can't not communicate. But as professionals we can do our best to get out of the way and limit inappropriate influence.

James

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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Hanover on December 5, 2009 at 11:14am

Here's an interesting article I stumbled across today. Grist for the mill. :)


Commonalities between Ericksonian psychotherapy and Native American healing
Journal of Mental Health Counseling, Oct, 2009 by Timothy C. Thomason

Kathleen Hanover
Imagine That Creative - Marketing and PR
"The Pretty Goodest Public Relations, Copywriting & Marketing Lady on the Planet"

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on December 5, 2009 at 11:37am

Kathleen
Add Pretty Goodest Finder of Great Articles to your tag line.

Hugh Cole
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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on December 5, 2009 at 11:57am

That's a fascinating article. I've often said that a hypnotist is a shaman in a necktie. :-)

James

Kathleen Hanover said:

Here's an interesting article I stumbled across today. Grist for the mill. :)


Commonalities between Ericksonian psychotherapy and Native American healing
Journal of Mental Health Counseling, Oct, 2009 by Timothy C. Thomason

Kathleen Hanover
Imagine That Creative - Marketing and PR
"The Pretty Goodest Public Relations, Copywriting & Marketing Lady on the Planet"

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on December 5, 2009 at 12:26pm

Serendipitously, I just read Peter Levine's Waking the Tiger which contains references to shamanstic rituals that promote healing by the release of pent up energies. I have seen Christian faith healers ellicit similar responses of shaking and trembling. Levine's theory is that this process is the same that animals in the wild go through (after the "freeze state") to move forward and beyond a traumatic experience.

James Hazlerig said:

That's a fascinating article. I've often said that a hypnotist is a shaman in a necktie. :-)

James

Kathleen Hanover said:

Here's an interesting article I stumbled across today. Grist for the mill. :)


Commonalities between Ericksonian psychotherapy and Native American healing
Journal of Mental Health Counseling, Oct, 2009 by Timothy C. Thomason

Kathleen Hanover
Imagine That Creative - Marketing and PR
"The Pretty Goodest Public Relations, Copywriting & Marketing Lady on the Planet"

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on December 5, 2009 at 12:32pm

That is a thought-provoking article, Kathleen. Thank you! The comparison between the Ericksonian authoritative force that compels change and the Native American spiritual force that similarily invokes change can be extended into other belief systems...

Kathleen Hanover said:

Here's an interesting article I stumbled across today. Grist for the mill. :)


Commonalities between Ericksonian psychotherapy and Native American healing
Journal of Mental Health Counseling, Oct, 2009 by Timothy C. Thomason

Kathleen Hanover
Imagine That Creative - Marketing and PR
"The Pretty Goodest Public Relations, Copywriting & Marketing Lady on the Planet"

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on December 5, 2009 at 1:22pm

It certainly can. It's interesting to me that the principles of forming a good hypnotic suggestion and the principles of how to create a good spell are very similar. :-)

And of course, there's the whole "healing story" movement in professional storytelling. Oddly, I've yet to run into a practitioner of that who's heard of Erickson. Folks who teach it often seem quite surprised when I tell them about him.

I've taught a workshop in which I point out the similarities between the battle-speeches in Scandinavian/Anglo-Saxon poetry and the methods of modern sports hypnosis. Both elicit states of confidence, anchor the same, and use future pacing to enhance performance. "Viking Warrior Hypnosis" also makes for a great class title. :-)

Kelley Woods said:

That is a thought-provoking article, Kathleen. Thank you! The comparison between the Ericksonian authoritative force that compels change and the Native American spiritual force that similarily invokes change can be extended into other belief systems...

Kathleen Hanover said:

Here's an interesting article I stumbled across today. Grist for the mill. :)


Commonalities between Ericksonian psychotherapy and Native American healing
Journal of Mental Health Counseling, Oct, 2009 by Timothy C. Thomason

Kathleen Hanover
Imagine That Creative - Marketing and PR
"The Pretty Goodest Public Relations, Copywriting & Marketing Lady on the Planet"

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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Hanover on December 5, 2009 at 3:23pm

I think you should teach "Viking Warrior Hypnosis" at DragonCon. I'll be first in line. :)

James Hazlerig said:

I've taught a workshop in which I point out the similarities between the battle-speeches in Scandinavian/Anglo-Saxon poetry and the methods of modern sports hypnosis. Both elicit states of confidence, anchor the same, and use future pacing to enhance performance. "Viking Warrior Hypnosis" also makes for a great class title. :-)

Kathleen Hanover said:

Here's an interesting article I stumbled across today. Grist for the mill. :)


Commonalities between Ericksonian psychotherapy and Native American healing
Journal of Mental Health Counseling, Oct, 2009 by Timothy C. Thomason

Kathleen Hanover
Imagine That Creative - Marketing and PR
"The Pretty Goodest Public Relations, Copywriting & Marketing Lady on the Planet"

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Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on December 6, 2009 at 3:13pm

When a client consults, it is for a reason. The client is looking for an answer that s/he cannot logically answer him/her self. For whatever reason s/he sees you as a possible key to unlock the answer. Often because of someone elses referral and often as a last resort because every avenue they've travelled was a dead end. Only one thing is sure and certain. The client has a question. Often the question presented is not the real question, it is the perceived question. Though both the question and the answer are connected, the client is unable to answer the question because s/he is looking in the logical place rather than looking in the correct place for that answer. In order to find the key to unlock the answer for the client, the therapist needs to park his/her belief structure and engage in the realm and interests of the client. It's back to basics in many ways. the customer is always right.
We are all products of our inheritance. genetically and experientially. Hearing and Listening are two different animals genetically linked.

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on December 6, 2009 at 4:05pm

I like that ... Park your beliefs at the curb... park is beyond neutral ... In neutral you can roll .. Downhill .. driven by gravity or the sheer weight of your opinion. In Park you STOP. and Listen and listen before you start your.. engine. Thanks Paul

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet.

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