Hypnosis - What Really Works - Here's my Story

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Permalink Reply by carol on January 23, 2010 at 5:19am

Oops What I meant to say was what a great statement and why not give credit where its due.

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Permalink Reply by Jagi Egnell on January 23, 2010 at 6:04am

That is great and I am very happy you shared and such an inspirational story...shows what hypnosis can do. Please do not stop sharing.

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Permalink Reply by Dennis Atkinson on January 23, 2010 at 6:44am

Great story.

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on January 24, 2010 at 4:15am

Thanks Jane, I liked reading your story too and I would like to know what kind of suggestion was given to you by Jonathan that was most helpful with your hyperactive thyroid condition?

After all you said that he was able to help you in 5 minutes and that you were free of the debilitating fear that had locked you in a less than easy life, therefore you were normal just like everyone else. And one week later you took yourself off the thyroid drugs and one month later a blood test showed that your thyroid chemical levels had returned to normal. To be honest, I have worked with client with such condition and I don't remember being able to help them in just 5 minutes, can you please share more?

Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.HypnoCruise.com

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on January 24, 2010 at 4:56am

Hi Doreen I'll answer this as Jane has really very little idea of what was done.

I used my favourite eyelock induction. And tested for somnambulism.

I said, "Tell me, when you think about your thyroid what comes up?".

Jane said, "Fear."

I said, "Okay so if your mind wanted to create a symbol for that fear, and that can be something you see, hear, feel, touch or taste. It could even be a word or a feeling. What would that symbol be?"

There was a slight frown then she said, "Green Slime?" As if she was uncertain about whether that made sense or not. I find with symbolism that the less sense the symbol makes the closer we are to getting the actual right pattern.

So I said, "Okay now. If your mind could change that pattern so that the fear was gone for good and something better was in it's its place what would that be?"

This time with no hesitation and a huge grin Jane said, "White powder!" I didn't question this. I'd talked to Jane a few time on the phone and we had written but this was our first meeting in the flesh.

[Nothing to do with it but we'd met on an internet dating site :-) ]

The rest of the process was to tell her to do whatever it took to change the first symbol for the second using SUDs [Wolpe 1969] to ascertain and test for success and then...

I always give people a 'Perfect Place'. "Somewhere inside your head where only you can go. This is a perfect place. Your perfect place. It can be any where and any when in the universe. Nothing gets in or out and only the sound of your hypnotists voice can follow you here. In this place you can replenish your energies and balance your mind. Both invigorating and cleansing your whole self. Now take your new symbol and put it in a place of honour in you perfect place and know it will always be here. When you've done that let me know."

After a few seconds Jane nods. I don't bother with fingers and IMRs. If you ask them to tell you when they have done something they always nod, which is actually an Ideo Motor Responce anyway and one you don't need to set up. Guess I'm lazy.

I then woke her up.

It takes longer to write and read than it did to do.

This was a Saturday Evening in a busy Devon pub over a really good fishermans pie.

I've uploaded a video showing my technique - more or less - showing me getting rid of a phobia.

And sorry but I have nothing to sell anyone in conjunction with this so guess that makes me a pretty bad marketer.

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht said:

Thanks Jane, I liked reading your story too and I would like to know what kind of suggestion was given to you by Jonathan that was most helpful with your hyperactive thyroid condition?

After all you said that he was able to help you in 5 minutes and that you were free of the debilitating fear that had locked you in a less than easy life, therefore you were normal just like everyone else. And one week later you took yourself off the thyroid drugs and one month later a blood test showed that your thyroid chemical levels had returned to normal. To be honest, I have worked with client with such condition and I don't remember being able to help them in just 5 minutes, can you please share more?

Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.HypnoCruise.com

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Permalink Reply by AJ on January 24, 2010 at 5:34am

Subjective Units of Disturbance Scale
In 1969, Wolpe developed the Subjective Units of Disturbance Scale (SUDS) for assessing the level of subjective discomfort or psychological pain. It is a scale from 0 to 10 for measuring the subjective intensity of disturbance or distress currently being experienced, where 0 represents no disturbance, and 10 represents the worst disturbance the subject can imagine. The individual makes a self-assessment of where he is on the scale. The SUDS score is useful as a benchmark for a professional to evaluate the progress of treatment. The measure is taken at several intervals during the treatment of each upsetting memory or phobic situation, and treatment is generally continued until the SUDS reaches 0.

Assessment on the scale is entirely subjective. The basic guideline is that the individual assess herself based on their current experience. The scale is basically described as follows:
10 = Feels unbearably bad, out of control, as in a nervous breakdown, overwhelmed. The subject may feel so upset that he does not want to talk because he cannot imagine how anyone could possibly understand his agitation.
9 = Feeling desperate. What most people call a 10 is actually a 9. Feeling very, very bad, losing control of emotions, almost unbearable and are afraid of what she might do.
8 = The beginning of alienation, approaching loss of control.
7 = On the edge of some definitely bad feelings, maintains control with difficulty.
6 = Feeling bad to the point that subject begins to think something ought to be done about the way she feels.
5 = Moderately upset, uncomfortable. Unpleasant feelings are still manageable with some effort.
4 = Somewhat upset, to the point that the subject cannot easily ignore an unpleasant thought; feeling uncomfortable.
3 = Mildly upset, worried, bothered to the point that the subject notices it.
2 = A little bit upset, but not noticeable unless the subject pays attention to his feelings and then realizes there is something bothering him.
1 = No acute distress and feeling basically good, if the subject makes special effort she might feel something unpleasant, but not much.
0 = Peace, serenity, total relief, no bad feelings of any kind about any particular issue.

Legacy
Wolpe was a pioneer of cognitive-behavior therapy. His techniques of systematic desensitization, designed for curing phobias and anxiety, as well as his methods used in assertiveness training provided the basis for modern behavior therapy. His Subjective Units of Disturbance Scale has been successfully used in numerous psychotherapeutic techniques, including Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), Trauma-Focused Therapy (TFT), and Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT).

Source

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on January 24, 2010 at 5:47am

Thanks Doc,

Although you can't rely on it 100% it is a fabulously useful tool for both subconscious assessment and for using as a convincer for the hypnotee.

Doc Regal said:

Subjective Units of Disturbance Scale

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bregazzi on January 24, 2010 at 6:04am

Hi Doreen,
I know that Jon has replied to this on a technical level but maybe I can shed a little more light on this.

When the thyroid condition was finally diagnosed I was in a state of high anxiety. I had been on mild beta blockers for about 1 year before. As soon as the thyroid condition became so debilitating I almost breathed a sigh of relief that there seemed finally to be a reason for my anxiety and my eating and drinking socially problem and all the other stressful situations I seemed to find myself in. I was immediately put on really strong beta blockers and a drug that was the first step to gaining normal thyroid function. However this drug actually destroyed white blood cells so it was short term. Throughout the following year I chilled. For the first time in a long time I could truly relax, however after a few months the anxiety returned. I discussed this with 3 doctors and all 3 of them suggested that I seek alternative's to treat the anxiety and that it wasn't an aspect of the hyperactive thyroid.

Basically what they said was that the hyper active thyroid was a symptom of the anxiety and not the other way round. The doctors weren't treating the anxiety they were treating the thyroid function. This seemed to be a bit arse about tit because as long as the anxiety and the fear remained then the thyroid function would continue to be a symptom that had to be treated.

The reason it worked so quickly was that Jon removed my fear an irrational subconscious phobic reaction that had created an innappropriate subconscious pattern that had dominated my life, creating huge amounts of anxiety and stress and eventually so much continual release of adrenalin that it upset the balance of my thyroid chemicals making them overreact.

Take away the fear and believe me it was probably the most puzzling experience of my life. Jon had said on a scale of 1-10 where would you place the fear 10 being the worst it can be. I think I said about an 8 - then literally 5 minutes later he said where is it now on the scale of 1-10. And this was the wierd bit I couldn't even find it. I even found myself looking for it - searching my memory if you like for a feeling of something - I no longer knew what.

Since that moment - the phobia went, the anxiety went, the stress went, the chemical imbalance went too.

So many debilitating symptoms are simply emotional patterns that cause anxiety and stress and stress and fear can be got rid of with direct communication with the subconscious.

I hope this helps and explains and enlightens

Jane:-)

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht said:

To be honest, I have worked with client with such condition and I don't remember being able to help them in just 5 minutes, can you please share more?
Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht www.HypnoCruise.com

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Permalink Reply by AJ on January 24, 2010 at 6:53am

"Hypnosis is not a magic bullet, but amazing things seem to happen all the time."
~Dr. Aleksonder Regal

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on January 24, 2010 at 8:37am

"Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."
Quote from "The Manchurian Canidate," (The movie.)

Readers,

I totally believe that Jane wrote and shared her story with the higest motivations, wanting to inspire others with her direct experience. And, I understood and appreciated Ian's comments about appearances. I believe that Ian gave us valuable insight into how one might see some red flags when reading Jane's post and just want to share what I got out of reading his posts:

Imagine: A hypnotist who has identified himself as a "stage" hypnosis disappears from HT.com for a while... He returns with a new picture, a new product, a new way of presenting himself and his practice and he has a new cheer leader --

It could be nothing more than a healthy desire to reinvent himself and a appreciative client /now associate, possibly special friend or wife, who wants to inspire others by sharing her own direct experience -- or not. And, as I said, I totally believe that Jane wrote and shared her story with the higest motivations

=^..^=

Question: Are Ian and I the only people noticing how close the sentences:

"And yes I wanted to give to Jon as well because it was he that did the deed and have found him to be very generous with his time and knowledge.."

and

"Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."
Quote from "The Manchurian Canidate," (The movie.)

are?

Please note, I am not in any way, shape or form saying that Jane was or is acting out a post-hypnotic ritual ala the Manchurian Canidate - I am just saying it could appear that way... Perhaps Jon's calling his method the "Svengali"-method is symbolic of more that meets the eye?


Hugs,

Michael E.
Main Entry: Sven·ga·li
Pronunciation: \sven-ˈgä-lē, sfen-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Svengali, villainous hypnotist in the novel Trilby (1894) by George du Maurier
Date: 1919
: a person who manipulates or exerts excessive control over another

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/SVENGALI

Ian Jay said:

Jane, its not about where you put it - rather the style it was written.
Having reviewed some of the tactics that 'professional' stage hypnotists have used in earlier threads on this board, please understand my skepticism.
Debbie and Chris may enjoy "stories", I prefer something more substantial.

Enjoy your weekend

Ian

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on January 24, 2010 at 9:21am

You make interesting points Michael,

I too was struck by the synchronicty of the post.

I of course, (like yourself),
don't read too much into it.



Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bregazzi on January 24, 2010 at 9:30am

Whoa there! You are way out of order here.

Actually what you have just said totally discredits what I have said and in fact totally belittles my integrity. I am not wandering around in an hypnotic trance doing everything I am told to do.

Jon is a hypnotist - he doesn't have to reinvent himself. Hypnosis is hypnosis whether stage hypnosis, office hypnosis, behind closed doors hypnosis with no one else in the room to witness what you're doing or saying, pub hypnosis. Call it what you like - even call it a placebo if you must (although that particular reference is a bit rubbish really). Mostly people try to intellectualise what goes on and off in other people's heads and believe me I have been in that academic world where everything is questioned and taken apart and reduced to suspicion and skepticism. It's a cheerless, loveless world and one I am glad to be rid of.

I lead a simpler happier life now where I'm not afraid to speak my mind and tell people things without ridicule and others "reading things" into everything you say and yes shamelessly extol those that have made it possible because I know that sharing things with people - sharing direct experience is one of the greatest things you can do. It's called empathy, people identify with what you're saying, it makes things more understandable. Why do you think reality shows are so popular, because people can identify with the trials of others and then form ideas in their own heads what they would do in that situation.

Disappearing off HT for a while is actually nothing more than spending time doing other things. I'm also a member of Healthy pages forum, which is really active but I haven't done that for a while either. And I'm not a new cheerleader I've been working with Jon for the last 10 years (incredible how the time flies) I cheered him then as I cheer him now, as many, many other people who we have met over the last 10 years do. I like to think we change lives, people say we do, so that must be true.

Svengali System so called to get people like you going.

And by the way you're cleverer than me I don't even know what the Manchurian Candidate is about! Know the title though. I'm not sure I could be that devious.

Jane:-)

Michael Ellner said:

"Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."
Quote from "The Manchurian Canidate," (The movie.)

Readers,

Question: Are Ian and I the only people noticing how close the sentences:

"And yes I wanted to give to Jon as well because it was he that did the deed and have found him to be very generous with his time and knowledge.."

and

"Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."
Quote from "The Manchurian Canidate," (The movie.)

are?

Please note, I am not in any way, shape or form saying that Jane was or is acting out a post-hypnotic ritual ala the Manchurian Canidate - I am just saying it could appear that way... Perhaps Jon's calling his method the "Svengali"-method is symbolic of more that meets the eye?


Hugs,

Michael E.
Main Entry: Sven·ga·li
Pronunciation: \sven-ˈgä-lē, sfen-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Svengali, villainous hypnotist in the novel Trilby (1894) by George du Maurier
Date: 1919
: a person who manipulates or exerts excessive control over another

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