Hypnosis without trance

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Permalink Reply by Darren Altman on February 24, 2010 at 8:41am

Wow. You think so?

But he's "FUMING - Yes thats right FUMING."

...unless I'm very naive.

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Permalink Reply by Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist on February 24, 2010 at 8:46am

"It's a BARMY, BONKERS, Boxing Day Sale. We must be MAD to let stock go at these prices! Don't tell the boss!"
I rest my case...
Reg


Darren Altman said:

Wow. You think so?

But he's "FUMING - Yes thats right FUMING."

...unless I'm very naive.

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on February 24, 2010 at 9:09am

I am sure any teacher would be proud of their student for being so enterprising.

However, as Rob Temple (A.K.A. Mark Milburn) is a member of this forum, I am sure that he is quite capable of doing his own promotion work, he could for instance legitimately post an anouncement on the Training buletin board.

Ah but I see you have already done that for him twice Mr Smith! as well as posting the same thing in a couple of other places on here.

Really!

Bye for now.

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Gaz colfer on February 24, 2010 at 12:02pm

Im with Daz and Bob on this one,we know how well this stuff works. I know James as a friend and tutor and thoroughly love his way of teaching. I for one know he doesn't claim this 'hypnosis without trance' to be his invention as 'some' people choose to quote but what I can say is how well he teaches it in his own unique way. I use Hypnosis,therapy,NLP and eyes open work with every therapy client I work with,together it works a treat! I also use a lot of trance and HWT with people who want to experience this art.
Top work James keep it up

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Permalink Reply by bob burns on February 24, 2010 at 1:38pm

Hey Gary,
I've got this crazy wild stupid idea. I train you up, then you go and offer a training course, and I tell the world that:
"I'm fuming!!!!!!!!!!"
I think that's probably the best marketing idea I've ever had. Unless... someone's already thought it up... and is trying it right now?
Okay so it might not work with us cos we is not stupid, an' that. But there are lots of peoples out there who IS stupid, an' that. And who has not been to this Manchester place before, an' that.
I think it might work, an' that.

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on February 24, 2010 at 2:23pm

Hmm... A process view of trance.

I like how you've put that James. I may go and copyright it now! ;-)

James Rolph said:

Hi Jan

For me, I use the term 'Hypnotic Loop' firstly to emphasise process over state, and secondly to denote a particular model that I have for that process. The model has practical application in that it creates entry points for picking up loops and steering them (I think you probably know this, because you are on the blog subscription list, I believe).

So if trance = hypnotic loop, I hope that it is a process view of trance rather than a state view!

All the very best

James

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Permalink Reply by Pattie Freeman CH.t, MST on February 24, 2010 at 11:53pm

I know what you are saying...I have clients sit in my chair and within minutes I have their eyes feeling tired and their mind feeling lifeless...so i guess its trance or is it?

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Permalink Reply by bob burns on February 25, 2010 at 3:42am

C'mon Pattie, you need to start cracking gags. I felt tired and lifeless just reading that LOL. Have you tried reaching over and giving them a tickle? Thats what I do when they say to me: "I just wanna be happy."

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Permalink Reply by bob burns on February 25, 2010 at 4:49am

Yes it is the same person. I don't think that means it's a scam though. In all fairness to Robert/Mark I've chatted to him a few times (in chatrooms) and he simply comes across as a young entrepreneur who happens to also be a good stage hypnotist. Everyone knows he was trained by Alex Royle, probably in both hypno and marketing and it would appear they work together.

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Permalink Reply by Don on February 25, 2010 at 6:10am

Hypnosis not only can be defined as something other than a trance state, perhaps it should be.

"Research indicates that therapists would do well to define successful responding to suggestions as requiring cooperation and involvement on what is suggested, rather than achieving a trance state (Lynn, Vanderhoff, Schindler, & Stafford, 2002). If participants question whether they have achieved such a state, it may dampen their expectations and conviction that they are responding successfully and diminish their overall responsiveness. Also, many people without prior experience of hypnosis are afraid of the idea of going into a trance and actively resist responding to suggestrions (Lynn & Kirsch, 2006). Some clients benefit from demonstrating that they can easily respond to non-hypnotic suggestions, for example, to perceive one's arm growing heavy or to imagine a force attracting or repelling their hands" (Gibbons & Lynn, 2010, pp. 270-271).

References

Gibbons, D., & Lynn, S. J. (2010). Hypnotic inductions: A primer. In S. J. Lynn, J. W. Ruhe, & I. Kirsch (Eds.) Handbook of clinical hypnosis, 2nd ed. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association, pp. 270-291.

Lynn, S. J., Vanderhoff, H., Shindler, K., & Stafford, J. (2002). The effects of an induction and defining hypnosis as a "trance" versus cooperation: Hypnotic suggestibility and performance standards. American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, 44, 231-240.

Lynn, S. J., Y Kirsch, I. (2006). Essentials of clinical hypnosis: An evidence-based approach. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.

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Permalink Reply by bob burns on February 25, 2010 at 6:24am

I understand what you're saying Ian (I think) but, whilst I'm not going to defend the lad, I don't see what he's done wrong here. I am a full time hypnotherapist/hypnotist/magician/mentalist/writer/ musician etc.
When I advertise my hypnosis IF I don't mention that I also do, say, magic, I don't see where I'm being dishonest.
I mean: I have a photograph of the queen mother on a bicycle, smoking a gigarette. I've never told anyone in here before but I wasn't being dishonest. Where does it all start & finish? And c'mon, be honest. What have YOU not told us about what YOU get up to, hmmm? If that made you uncomfortable I apologise. Although I'm sure it didn't. There.

Bob

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Permalink Reply by James Tripp on February 25, 2010 at 3:45pm

Hi Jon

I am not claiming to have 'invented' or 'discovered' anything, what I claim is a particular model, approach and way of teaching. Unlike yourself, I don't claim to be any kind of Guru - I am just a guy with a model and approach to hypnosis that people seem to be interested in, and that I am happy to share.

It's clear from your post that you misunderstand my model totally, which is, of course, unsurprising because you don't know it.

All the very best

James

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