Hypnotherapist admits sexual assault on client

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Permalink Reply by Susan French on November 21, 2009 at 2:33pm

I'll say the same thing I said before on the other post. Yuchh----blecchhhhh---disgusto illrepute....pig...throw away the key.

However, I've had a better thought since then. Jail is the perfect place for a man (usually, though not always) who doesn't "get" how revolting it is to be touched inappropriately or without permission or sexually scammed in any way.

Using this means of "punishment fitting the crime" will let this a***h***e to discover first hand, up close and personal and in a way he will NEVER forget. Put him in Gen Pop. Let the other cons know he's a sexual predator and leave him in Gen Pop for 6 months or so.

My guess: HE WILL NEVER PUT HIS HANDS ON ANOTHER WOMAN (OR MAN) WITHOUT GETTING PERMISSION!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry he was granted bail. If he had to stay with those gang members fighting over his virginal ass he'd never do it to anyone else again.

My 2 cents

susan

Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 21, 2009 at 3:30pm

Unfortunately people use hypnosis to take advantage of some people, these people do exist, I mean the sexual predator, I used to work for a Honda dealership many years a go, one of the sales person was harassing me, I placed a complaint and quit my job, and started working for another Honda dealership, apparently this guy was fired after I quit, since costumers had similar complaints to mine, then I saw him taking Hypnosis training at HMI.

I even saw him touching other Lady's behind, pinching and squeezing in a friendly matter and they loved him, when he recognized me and he made a real scene yelling at me and accusing me that I was responsible for him losing his Job, which I wasn't, and the reason he was fired, because other costumers made a complain, It was way after I left.

Any ways, I am not going to get into it, and I did complain about this man, at first it was a misunderstanding and the matter was ignored, but I made sure that I was going to be safe and protected there, after all this man is also in his 60's, thanks god, did not see him again... unfortunately there are people that will use their talent to abuse some people, and this man was already in trouble when he was in the entertainment business way before he became a car seals man and now is a hypnotherapist...

Who knows, I may get in trouble for writing this, but I will keep my eyes wide open to people who say the wrong thing during hypnosis, especially if it is not related.

Other person who I have known, Is also a hypnotist, and he does his talent to take advantage of young collage and high school student's, I just hope when they do something stupid, they will be caught, that's all I wish for them.

Also, this is to confirm that not everyone can become a victim of hypnosis, since their mind knows better, unless they are somnambulist and high suggestible to suggestions.

Susan, This old guy which I will not use his Name, is also had allegation and complaints from younger boys, not just clients from our job place, and the surprising part was, that he was really kind and funny, and someone who was married, he has kids and grandchild or even more.

Susan, I am sure this people cannot hide, unless they quit and got some help.

Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

Permalink Reply by The Shadow on November 22, 2009 at 6:53am

This guy is bad news! Things like this hurt hypnosis and give it a bad name, I usually record the session on tape with woman just in case! I know Jerald has a camera to record the whole session i always have another person present when using therapy for woman this helps cover your Xss just in case.

Permalink Reply by Sean Michael Andrews on November 22, 2009 at 7:19am

I agree with you, Mark. I video record every session. I think it makes my clients feel safer.

Sean Michael Andrews

Permalink Reply by GIL BOYNE on November 22, 2009 at 7:40am

Mark said "Things like this hurt hypnosis and give it a bad name"

Mark, I can help you to see the positive side of these news stories; First--it tells the public that subjects do remember and villians do get caught and pay the price. Second-It tells every therapist reading the story that they can ruin their lives and their families very existence by their stupid, asinine and criminal behaviour. Please note that this character used the approach of,"Tell me all about your sexual life and fantasies and it will help to cure whatever ails you".Shades of Sigmund Freud!
The client was not naive! She was unknowing and trusting and did seek additional information. Perhaps, sometime I will tell the story of a family man I trained who was arrested on this kind of charge. I was an expert witness for the prosecution and I watched his wife and children crying in the courtroom as he was sentenced to NINE years in prison. I say to all therapists,"Don't destroy your life and the lives of those you love by such behaviours" ( I also recognize the emotional damage that is inflicted on the client)

PS I know of three cases where large cash settlements were made by hypnotherapists to settle the civil (damages) case out-of-court and avoid criminal charges.
Mark Miles said:

This guy is bad news! Things like this hurt hypnosis and give it a bad name, I usually record the session on tape with woman just in case! I know Jerald has a camera to record the whole session i always have another person present when using therapy for woman this helps cover your Xss just in case.

Permalink Reply by Alan117 on November 22, 2009 at 7:04pm

First, Susan, you're pandering to and reinforcing homophobia and the image of gays as sexual predators.

I'm not getting that impression. Some guys do get raped in prison after all. Barker's 61 so I don't think it's likely to happen to him.


Second -- clearly, the person who wrote this shouldn't be doing hypnotherapy.

You seem to be questioning her character. Is it so wrong for her intense dislike of sexual predators?

Permalink Reply by Susan French on November 22, 2009 at 8:04pm

Alan, I wasn't saying anything about gayness at all. You missed my point, a point I made before on this subject. I had a similar discussion with someone else about a similar attempt and I was trying to make a point.

The point was about having a person experience being touched sexually in a situation that would not be preferred by them. If you're straight, which these guys obviously were, it might be a bit offensive to be grabbed by another guy because they obviously wouldn't "get it" if the point was made by saying "what if a woman touched you in that way?" The people (usually guys) who don't seem to understand that sexual invasion has more emotional ramifications than say, other kinds of personal assault.

If someone, for instance, didn't "get" how disgusting it would be, perhaps, to be touched at all by someone who obviously didn't bathe often and who's hands were really gross. If they don't "get" it, perhaps they need to experience something that would create a similar effect in that person.

What I find, often, though, is that some people have a harder time than others empathizing with what others might feel. Perhaps that's all that this is about.

When someone doesn't "get" that sexual assault or invasion has a very traumatic effect, perhaps they need to experience it in order to "get it." Why not?

Perhaps people can't comment until they've experienced it first hand???

Interestingly enough, there are also folks who don't understand why bullying is traumatic and harmful either.

And BTW: are you defending this guy? Are you saying that what he did wasn't so bad? Are you saying that perhaps the woman brought it on herself? Is that what the discussion is about?

Truthfully, my reaction is more about people that don't "get it" than it it is about retribution or revenge. I just really have a hard time with people who don't "get it."

Respectfully however,

Susan

Permalink Reply by Alan117 on November 22, 2009 at 8:08pm

With the anatomically vivid image of gay sex? Is she not?

weeell, it wasn't that anatomically vivid since the butt is pretty much expected as an entry point in gay sex between males. I still don't think she's targeting gay people in particular since she's only talking about the criminal class in confinement where the genders are separated and rape is only possible between the same sex.

Would you want to hand your emotional well-being over to someone who spews hatred on the internet?

I consider her dislike justifiably so in regards to sexual predators.


Wouldn't you worry that she might have an emotional incontinence moment while she has you in trance, and screw you up?

I don't have probable cause to believe that. Also your question presumes that hypnosis is capable of causing complex behavioral changes against conscious volition. Is that your view?

Is the image of gleefully cheering on a prison-rape one that you consider adds to, or detracts from, a person's authority as a hypnotherapist?

I'll come back with an answer after I witness a hypnotherapist foaming at the mouth gleefully cheering on a prison rape.

Permalink Reply by Susan French on November 22, 2009 at 8:11pm

Back off already Conrad, ok? There is a difference between anger and outrage and hatred. Surely even you know that. You said you would prefer to save your outrage for the sex trafficking of little girls and boys as well as women. That outrages me as well. But what that tells me is that you have no clue as to how it feels to be sexually invaded or assaulted and that perhaps, since YOU don't understand the ramifications of these kinds of crimes, perhaps it is you who should not be a hypnotherapist.

That was a really unnecessary comment to make to me for expressing my opinion about people who commit crimes, and expecially sex crimes. Once again, you didn't need to make it personal. Please stop.

Susan

Conrad Cook said:

Yeah, that guy clearly crossed the line.

Susan, since you clearly enjoy spewing hatred, why not do it in trance, where you can really enjoy it?

Conrad.

Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on November 22, 2009 at 8:34pm

Conrad,

Most men who have sex with men in prison do not consider themselves gay...In fact most of them would beat the crap out of you if you suggested they wer having gay sex -- Gay is a social identity - Having sex with men in prison is having sex with men in prison...

On the other hand - my understanding is many rapists have been sexually abused before they become rapists--

Good News Susan,

I am confident most potential clients reading your posts on this subject will probably agree with you -

I agree with Gil -- The exposure of his arrest and prosecution probably has more upside than downside -- There are dirt-bags in every profession--





Conrad Cook said:

Alan117 said:

First, Susan, you're pandering to and reinforcing homophobia and the image of gays as sexual predators.

I'm not getting that impression. Some guys do get raped in prison after all. Barker's 61 so I don't think it's likely to happen to him.

With the anatomically vivid image of gay sex? Is she not?

Second -- clearly, the person who wrote this shouldn't be doing hypnotherapy.

You seem to be questioning her character. Is it so wrong for her intense dislike of sexual predators?

Would you want to hand your emotional well-being over to someone who spews hatred on the internet? Wouldn't you worry that she might have an emotional incontinence moment while she has you in trance, and screw you up?

Is the image of gleefully cheering on a prison-rape one that you consider adds to, or detracts from, a person's authority as a hypnotherapist?

C.

Permalink Reply by Alan117 on November 22, 2009 at 8:44pm

Try rereading the thread with your eyelids open. My first post had Conrad's statements italicized.


Susan French said:

Alan, I wasn't saying anything about gayness at all. You missed my point, a point I made before on this subject. I had a similar discussion with someone else about a similar attempt and I was trying to make a point. blahh blahh blahh blahh blahh blahh blahh blahh blahh blahh blahh blahh

And BTW: are you defending this guy? Are you saying that what he did wasn't so bad? Are you saying that perhaps the woman brought it on herself? Is that what the discussion is about?

Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 22, 2009 at 10:07pm

Cheers to you Mr. GIL BOYNE.

I say to all therapists,"Don't destroy your life and the lives of those you love by such behaviours", and I'de like to add, Please go get some help if you cannot control such behaviours.

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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