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Hypnotherapist Claims he's 'running a study to see if hypnotherapy can help with IBS' ...
Hi guys.
What do you think of a 'study' which... well, shall I stop putting my opinions on it and let you see for yourselves?
Bearing in mind that the research has already been done for years as to the usefullness and efficacy of hypnotherapy in IBS, and it is already proven that hypnotherapy is very useful.
IBS is not life-limiting. Life-limiting means terminal; such as end stage lung/kidney/liver/heart disease. IBS can affect the quality of life dreadfully, but not the length of life.
NICE is not the UK health regulator. NICE is an independent organisation responsible for providing national guidance on promoting good health and preventing and treating ill health. Its advice is used to establish whether treatments are effective, and cost-effective; which is the point where they either recommend that the treatment or drug is available on the NHS or states a reason that it shouldn't be available on the NHS. NICE has no regulatory authority.
There is no need for a 'project ... to determine how effective treatment provided on the NHS would be. Especially as this would be effectively free therapy'. Effectively free?! Free at the point of delivery is the most important tenet of the NHS constitution.
Any research which is passed ethically is FREE to participants. Anyone who is paid to take part (other than reimbursed their expenses) or has to pay can have their answers exposed to bias. Charging anyone for their participation in a study is unethical and renders results invalid.
I think that this person (other than using the dodgiest analogue marking ever) is taking advantage of vulnerable people, abusing the name of the NHS, is abusing research methods... and I think that the name of hypnotherapy is further damaged by supposed 'research' which is just a method of getting paying customers to access their services.
I have been in contact with the author of that website, who states that ' I am sorry that you feel that this is a marketing ploy - it is far from that! As a former IBS patient myself I understand that hypnotherapy is possibly the very best way of dealing with the syndrome. I am working with several of my Local GP practises to see if the treatment we know works can be accelerated, 6 rather than the more rountine 12 sessions, AND if there is any diference in the results of those that pay something and those that get the treatment for free.'
I think it's fishier than a cod.
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on -
Sorry, I really can't help pointing out that analogue marking (oh so subtle, it isn't)...
Italicised words supposedly hidden in the first sentence are:
you
will
take
part
in
study
Yup. He's a genuine altruist this one.
I'm ashamed to come from the same country, and concerned that people might consider my work to have any association with such a person's dodgy practices.
The reputation of hypnotherapy has people like this to thank for the struggle for credibility and acceptance.
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Permalink Reply by Duncan Murray on -
Hi Henxy
Yup a scandalous marketingconsorry, ploy...he's not even sure what are disorders and what are diseases, seems to advocate enemas on an ongoing basis - perhaps he should sort his own s*** out!!!
Heigh-ho - perhaps from Hugh's thread on the use of language he's just an 'Ignoranus'!! It certainly seems to be fishier than a month old kipper!
I get a reduction in my clients' IBS symptoms of approx 80% after 4 sessions using the Manchester Model (but adapted slightly)...just wish our PCT would pay out for IBS treatment!
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on
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Hi Duncan,
Totally agree with your succinct appraisal!
Get in there and draw the commissioners' attention to what's needed and wanted by patients... Turn up to a stakeholder forum meeting (anyone with a GP in that area can attend) and nag them until you get commissioned! Use IBS awareness Month to get their attention... The more of us there are, the more permanent IBS services can be. With up to 20% of the population experiencing symptoms, there's plenty of GP and hospital outpatient appointments given to IBS; and these people can be redirected to those who can help their IBS symptoms!
And besides, it's lonely being the only NHS therapiserer! ;-P
(My problem was that this guy posted that on an IBS help website, and argued that he was providing the treatment at less than 30% of cost. I pointed out the words in italics to the site mod and he was instantly banned and deleted. I guess it would be funny if vulnerable people didn't fall for these scams).
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Permalink Reply by Duncan Murray on
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Hi Henxy
I'm not necessarily known for my subtlety or ability to keep quiet when I see stuff like that - anyway why waste words I'm paid for using them!!
Have started up an IBS Group here - will start some stuff next week - want to join us? I want the group to be about sharing ideas, support and also looking as to how to get the PCTs to start paying out for something that works rather than wasting it on pills that don't...I'll try and find out about our stakeholder forums...but Hampshire is one big PCT now and trying to find out how it works is a nightmare!!
I had IBS for about 18 years and my Doc told me to learn to live with it - then I decided to study hypnotherapy...the rest as they say...
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on
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Yay!
An ampshire ogg!
I lived in sunny Southampton for 11 years...
We'll get it sorted! :-)
Duncan Murray said:Hi Henxy
I'm not necessarily known for my subtlety or ability to keep quiet when I see stuff like that - anyway why waste words I'm paid for using them!!
Have started up an IBS Group here - will start some stuff next week - want to join us? I want the group to be about sharing ideas, support and also looking as to how to get the PCTs to start paying out for something that works rather than wasting it on pills that don't...I'll try and find out about our stakeholder forums...but Hampshire is one big PCT now and trying to find out how it works is a nightmare!!
I had IBS for about 18 years and my Doc told me to learn to live with it - then I decided to study hypnotherapy...the rest as they say...
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on
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Mr Jay, one used the term 'guys' to encompass all of (hu)mankind!
Ian Jay said:"Hi guys" You are very un-PC here! ;-) "Hi guys and girls" ?
The guy is a con-man. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sadly, there are many of these 'hypno' cowboys/cowgirls around these days. Its all about making money ...
And a few of them are within this forum ... { Shock! Horror! Probe! }
Ian
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on
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My issues here are that this yee-hah cowboy is being so devious and even lying about this 'study', using a few big(ish) words to try to lure people to become his paying clients.
I worry that people who can't access my service, or something like it (which would be difficult, seeing as it's unique in the NHS) will fall for the scam.
He can be as dodgy as he likes, but he HAS to keep the NHS out of it in order for me to leave it alone.
And his spelling just p1sses me off! ;-P
Ian Jay said:"Hi guys" You are very un-PC here! "Hi guys and girls" ?
The guy is a con-man. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sadly, there are many of these 'hypno' cowboys/cowgirls around these days. Its all about making money ...
And a few of them are within this forum ... { Shock! Horror! Probe! }
Ian
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Permalink Reply by Duncan Murray on
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Henxy
It be 'Dampshire' !! Well it certainly is normally bl**dy damp in 'ampshire!!
Just had a thought - perhaps he has IBS......... 'Irritating Bulls**t Site'!!
Henxy said:Yay!
An ampshire ogg!
I lived in sunny Southampton for 11 years...
We'll get it sorted! :-)
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on
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Oh, what an honest and decent sort he is(n't)...
'I have been informed by the Registrar of the UKCHO National Register of Hypnotherapists that Noel Bradford was taken off the UKCHO register last September as he was no longer a member of the Hypnotherapy Association, one of the UKCHO Member Organisations. Also, there is no record of him belonging to any other UKCHO organisation.
UKCHO, therefore, has no jurisdiction over him. However, he should not be displaying the 'UKCHO Registered' logo on his website, nor the logo of the Hypnotherapy Association, and he will be officialy asked to stop displaying them.'
Another reason for the public to be viligant when choosing their therapist...
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Permalink Reply by Henxy on
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
He's on Twitter, suggesting that people follow 'hypnosisclinic' (which is also him!), spreading his crap about how foods like milk cause IBS(!?) and plugging his 'trial' big time (I'm sure it's all kosher- no really I am).
And the WORST part? - well, there's two:
1: he's calling himself IBS_GURU
2: his hypnosisclinic account has 2000 followers! (he is following them all, so it may well be reciprocal).
It's people like him who make me think that clamping right down on all of us as hypnotherapists could well be safer for people/clients, as there'd at least be someone responsible for this idiot. :-(
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Permalink Reply by Duncan Murray on
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Henxy
Sorry for a lack of contributions - I have been away for a few days...
Totally agree - if peeps with IBS significantly reduce their calcium intake they risk heart failure!!! What is he playing at and milk does NOT (sorry to shout) cause IBS!!!
He's an IDIOT (sorry to shout again!!) !!!!!!
I do have a freelance contact at the 'News of the Screws'.......
'Ogg!
p.s. didn't Scotland do well today! 15-15!! Yipppeeeee!!! Sorry a proper game called rugby!
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Permalink Reply by Duncan Murray on
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Bonny game??!! Ian,
Almost as good as Gavin's days...and I've got a signed pic (of mine) of Doddy Wier squirting Brian Redpath in the face with water at the warm up 2 days before that wonderful day...but that is definitely going off thread! - Attachments:
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