Hypnotists that are also PhDs

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Permalink Reply by Don Gibbons, Ph.D. on November 27, 2009 at 6:03am

Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist said:

Hi Michael,
Are you suggesting that if someone has a PhD they should not use the designation once they choose to be a Hypnotist? I've seen you referred to as "Reverend Doctor" sometimes just Doctor with the letter designations PhD DD CHt MSH. Reg


Michael Ellner said:

John, et al,

In my opinion, any one using a PhD to suggest expertise in hypnosis is full of *@!% no matter how or where they obtained their PhDs.

Michael E
A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one.
- Ben Franklin

Most psychologists don't care diddly-squat about hypnoiss because of their theoretical blinders, so of course they don't know anything about it either.

"We few. We very few. We band of brothers. . . ."
--Shakespeare

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on November 27, 2009 at 6:25am

I always like your quotes Don,

You encapsulate a lot in a few words.

For those who like the lines in context..

Henry V did not have a PhD.
Nor did he have a Diploma in hypnosis

However he knew how to rally the troops
and decides to give the boys, a
motivational Pep talk (ego strengthening session )
complete with future pacing.
just before the battle of Agincourt.
Erikson himself could not have done a better job.

It goes like this:


"This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day"

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on November 27, 2009 at 6:40am

Shakespeare who received his qualifications through a home study course,
which encouraged wide reading around the subject.

adroitly used a guided imagery induction
and time distortion in this session:

O for a Muse of fire, that would ascend
The brightest heaven of invention,
A kingdom for a stage,
princes to act
And monarchs to behold the swelling scene!

Then should the warlike Harry,
like himself,
Assume the port of Mars;
and at his heels,
Leash'd in like hounds,
should famine, sword and fire
Crouch for employment.

But pardon, and gentles all,
The flat unraised spirits that have dared
On this unworthy scaffold to bring forth
So great an object:

can this cockpit hold
The vasty fields of France?
or may we cram
Within this wooden O
the very casques
That did affright the air at Agincourt?

O, pardon!
since a crooked figure may
Attest in little place a million;

And let us,
ciphers to this great accompt,
On your imaginary forces work.

Suppose within the girdle of these walls
Are now confined two mighty monarchies,
Whose high upreared and abutting fronts
The perilous narrow ocean parts asunder:

Piece out our imperfections with your thoughts;
Into a thousand parts divide on man,
And make imaginary puissance;

Think when we talk of horses,
that you see them
Printing their proud hoofs i' the receiving earth;

For 'tis your thoughts that now must deck our kings,
Carry them here and there; jumping o'er times,
Turning the accomplishment of many years
Into an hour-glass:

for the which supply,
Admit me Chorus to this history;
Who prologue-like your humble patience pray,
Gently to hear, kindly to judge, our play.

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Permalink Reply by Don Gibbons, Ph.D. on November 27, 2009 at 8:17am

Fable Goodman said:

Shakespeare who received his qualifications through a home study course,
which encouraged wide reading around the subject.

adroitly used a guided imagery induction
and time distortion in this session:

O for a Muse of fire, that would ascend
The brightest heaven of invention,
A kingdom for a stage,
princes to act
And monarchs to behold the swelling scene!

Then should the warlike Harry,
like himself,
Assume the port of Mars;
and at his heels,
Leash'd in like hounds,
should famine, sword and fire
Crouch for employment.

But pardon, and gentles all,
The flat unraised spirits that have dared
On this unworthy scaffold to bring forth
So great an object:

can this cockpit hold
The vasty fields of France?
or may we cram
Within this wooden O
the very casques
That did affright the air at Agincourt?

O, pardon!
since a crooked figure may
Attest in little place a million;

And let us,
ciphers to this great accompt,
On your imaginary forces work.

Suppose within the girdle of these walls
Are now confined two mighty monarchies,
Whose high upreared and abutting fronts
The perilous narrow ocean parts asunder:

Piece out our imperfections with your thoughts;
Into a thousand parts divide on man,
And make imaginary puissance;

Think when we talk of horses,
that you see them
Printing their proud hoofs i' the receiving earth;

For 'tis your thoughts that now must deck our kings,
Carry them here and there; jumping o'er times,
Turning the accomplishment of many years
Into an hour-glass:

for the which supply,
Admit me Chorus to this history;
Who prologue-like your humble patience pray,
Gently to hear, kindly to judge, our play.

And, if they try to restrict the free exercise of hypnosis, then again in Shakespeare's words,

"Cry 'Havoc!' and let loose the hounds of war!"

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Permalink Reply by Richard Clark MFT on November 27, 2009 at 9:22am

Michael Ellner said:

John, et al,

In my opinion, any one using a PhD to suggest expertise in hypnosis is full of *@!% no matter how or where they obtained their PhDs.

Michael E

Hi Michael,

To be clear, are you including; Ernest Hilgard, PhD, JeffreyZeig, PhD, Stephen Gilligan, PhD, Ernest Rossi, PhD, Michael Yapko, PhD, and hundreds of a similar hypnotists with accredited doctorates in this statement?

Richard

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on November 27, 2009 at 10:25am

Richard,
Well played ..leaving you on the green of the 18th with a birdie put for par.

Hugh Cole PhD CH PGHP(Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet)

Richard Clark MFT said:

Michael Ellner said:

John, et al,

In my opinion, any one using a PhD to suggest expertise in hypnosis is full of *@!% no matter how or where they obtained their PhDs.

Michael E

Hi Michael,

To be clear, are you including; Ernest Hilgard, PhD, JeffreyZeig, PhD, Stephen Gilligan, PhD, Ernest Rossi, PhD, Michael Yapko, PhD, and hundreds of a similar hypnotists with accredited doctorates in this statement?

Richard

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on November 27, 2009 at 10:44am

Well said Michael!!

Michael Ellner said:

John, et al,

In my opinion, any one using a PhD to suggest expertise in hypnosis is full of *@!% no matter how or where they obtained their PhDs.

Michael E
A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one.
- Ben Franklin

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on November 27, 2009 at 11:14am

Richard Clark MFT said:

Michael Ellner said:

John, et al,

In my opinion, any one using a PhD to suggest expertise in hypnosis is full of *@!% no matter how or where they obtained their PhDs. Michael E

Hi Michael,

To be clear, are you including; Ernest Hilgard, PhD, JeffreyZeig, PhD, Stephen Gilligan, PhD, Ernest Rossi, PhD, Michael Yapko, PhD, and hundreds of a similar hypnotists with accredited doctorates in this statement?

Richard

I feel that their expertise stands on it's own merits,
regardless of the fact that they might mention their PhD.

I have not noticed them using their qualifactions to validate their opinions.
they simply do good work, and also
mention (appropriately) in literature that they are PhDs.



the point (I think) is,
that a PhD in and off itself
does not guarantee any sort of quality.
there are many excellent examples of people with PhDs
who clearly demonstrate quality and integrity...
(you mentioned a few good examples).

but there are also many examples of people
with real or fictitious PhDs
who simply use the title
in an attempt to give some added credibility to their opinions.

I prefer not to mention any PhD that I may (or may not) have
as I feel it has very little relevance to the weight of my opinions.

I prefer to speak as a human being,
from my own experience,
and hope/trust that at least some people
will respect my opinions
on their merit,
(or lack of merit as it sometimes happens.)


Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by GIL BOYNE on November 27, 2009 at 12:02pm

Hello Fable, i received an email from a person in NYC who asked if I know of and/or could recommend a PhD hypnotherapist hwom she was considering going to. I called the office and spoke to a receptionist and asked, "Did Dr. XYZ receive her doctorate from an accrediated University? " Oh yes, she replied, it is from New York University, I asked, What is the Doctorate in? She answered, "Music". My question is since this "doctor" offers her services as a hypnotherapist, is there a covert deceit in using her Phd. title to lend status and prestige to her advertising in competition with other hypnotherapists.?

Fable Goodman said:

Richard Clark MFT said:

Michael Ellner said:

John, et al,

In my opinion, any one using a PhD to suggest expertise in hypnosis is full of *@!% no matter how or where they obtained their PhDs. Michael E

Hi Michael,

To be clear, are you including; Ernest Hilgard, PhD, JeffreyZeig, PhD, Stephen Gilligan, PhD, Ernest Rossi, PhD, Michael Yapko, PhD, and hundreds of a similar hypnotists with accredited doctorates in this statement?

Richard

I feel that their expertise stands on it's own merits,
regardless of the fact that they might mention their PhD.

I have not noticed them using their qualifactions to validate their opinions.
they simply do good work, and also
mention (appropriately) in literature that they are PhDs.



the point (I think) is,
that a PhD in and off itself
does not guarantee any sort of quality.
there are many excellent examples of people with PhDs
who clearly demonstrate quality and integrity...
(you mentioned a few good examples).

but there are also many examples of people
with real or fictitious PhDs
who simply use the title
in an attempt to give some added credibility to their opinions.

I prefer not to mention any PhD that I may (or may not) have
as I feel it has very little relevance to the weight of my opinions.

I prefer to speak as a human being,
from my own experience,
and hope/trust that at least some people
will respect my opinions
on their merit,
(or lack of merit as it sometimes happens.)


Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist on November 27, 2009 at 2:19pm

Gil,
Here in New Zealand, such activity would not only be considered deceitful, but also illegal.
http://www.nzmj.com/journal/121-1278/3160/
This is a hard one to police. It seems some Complimentary Alternative Medicine practitioners appear squeaky clean on the surface, not mentioning the misused title in any publicity or advertising. Yet they encourage use of the title "Doctor" by their staff behind closed doors, as in "The doctor will see you now."

Regards,
Reg


GIL BOYNE said:

Hello Fable, i received an email from a person in NYC who asked if I know of and/or could recommend a PhD hypnotherapist hwom she was considering going to. I called the office and spoke to a receptionist and asked, "Did Dr. XYZ receive her doctorate from an accrediated University? " Oh yes, she replied, it is from New York University, I asked, What is the Doctorate in? She answered, "Music". My question is since this "doctor" offers her services as a hypnotherapist, is there a covert deceit in using her Phd. title to lend status and prestige to her advertising in competition with other hypnotherapists.?

Fable Goodman said:

Richard Clark MFT said:

Michael Ellner said:

John, et al,

In my opinion, any one using a PhD to suggest expertise in hypnosis is full of *@!% no matter how or where they obtained their PhDs. Michael E

Hi Michael,

To be clear, are you including; Ernest Hilgard, PhD, JeffreyZeig, PhD, Stephen Gilligan, PhD, Ernest Rossi, PhD, Michael Yapko, PhD, and hundreds of a similar hypnotists with accredited doctorates in this statement?

Richard

I feel that their expertise stands on it's own merits,
regardless of the fact that they might mention their PhD.

I have not noticed them using their qualifactions to validate their opinions.
they simply do good work, and also
mention (appropriately) in literature that they are PhDs.



the point (I think) is,
that a PhD in and off itself
does not guarantee any sort of quality.
there are many excellent examples of people with PhDs
who clearly demonstrate quality and integrity...
(you mentioned a few good examples).

but there are also many examples of people
with real or fictitious PhDs
who simply use the title
in an attempt to give some added credibility to their opinions.

I prefer not to mention any PhD that I may (or may not) have
as I feel it has very little relevance to the weight of my opinions.

I prefer to speak as a human being,
from my own experience,
and hope/trust that at least some people
will respect my opinions
on their merit,
(or lack of merit as it sometimes happens.)


Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Richard Clark MFT on November 27, 2009 at 7:38pm

Hello Fable,

Do you know what they call the person that finishes medical school at the dead last bottom of their class?

Anyway...

Of course there are excellent and less then excellent practitioners in every field. I'm not sure what the point in highlighting that is. It seems kind of silly to suggest that Ernest Hilgard approached Stanford University for a job and said "Oh just call me Ernie, All the pretense of titles, degrees and such is just so gauche."

People use their legitimately earned titles rightly to let people that might be interested in their opinion or in hiring their services understand a basic minimum of their qualifications. Are you suggesting that if I break my arm I should just ask every Tom, Dick, and Harry I meet what they think I should do about it? And then base my judgment of their opinion on a purely human being sort of level of merit? Like if they seem honest and fair and I kinda like what they say, go with that?

Or should I save some time and go to Mary, MD for her opinion?

In the USA, if I go to an auto mechanic that has John Doe, ASE printed on his business card, it means something specific. And if he uses it because he feels he's "A Super Expert" rather then because he's certified through the National Institute for Automotive Service Excellence most folks would consider that a problem.

The point (I think) is that in this field many people use tittles that are not recognized as providing any basic minimum qualifications in order to mislead people looking for opinions and services. In this field there are no recognized minimum qualifications. I'm always told this is not really a problem.

Richard

Fable Goodman said:

Richard Clark MFT said:

Michael Ellner said:

John, et al,

In my opinion, any one using a PhD to suggest expertise in hypnosis is full of *@!% no matter how or where they obtained their PhDs. Michael E

Hi Michael,

To be clear, are you including; Ernest Hilgard, PhD, JeffreyZeig, PhD, Stephen Gilligan, PhD, Ernest Rossi, PhD, Michael Yapko, PhD, and hundreds of a similar hypnotists with accredited doctorates in this statement?

Richard

I feel that their expertise stands on it's own merits,
regardless of the fact that they might mention their PhD.

I have not noticed them using their qualifactions to validate their opinions.
they simply do good work, and also
mention (appropriately) in literature that they are PhDs.



the point (I think) is,
that a PhD in and off itself
does not guarantee any sort of quality.
there are many excellent examples of people with PhDs
who clearly demonstrate quality and integrity...
(you mentioned a few good examples).

but there are also many examples of people
with real or fictitious PhDs
who simply use the title
in an attempt to give some added credibility to their opinions.

I prefer not to mention any PhD that I may (or may not) have
as I feel it has very little relevance to the weight of my opinions.

I prefer to speak as a human being,
from my own experience,
and hope/trust that at least some people
will respect my opinions
on their merit,
(or lack of merit as it sometimes happens.)


Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Michael Zappellini on November 27, 2009 at 8:19pm

Hey Richard I totally agree with you.

Michael

Richard Clark MFT said:

Hello Fable,

Do you know what they call the person that finishes medical school at the dead last bottom of their class?

Anyway...

Of course there are excellent and less then excellent practitioners in every field. I'm not sure what the point in highlighting that is. It seems kind of silly to suggest that Ernest Hilgard approached Stanford University for a job and said "Oh just call me Ernie, All the pretense of titles, degrees and such is just so gauche."

People use their legitimately earned titles rightly to let people that might be interested in their opinion or in hiring their services understand a basic minimum of their qualifications. Are you suggesting that if I break my arm I should just ask every Tom, Dick, and Harry I meet what they think I should do about it? And then base my judgment of their opinion on a purely human being sort of level of merit? Like if they seem honest and fair and I kinda like what they say, go with that?

Or should I save some time and go to Mary, MD for her opinion?

In the USA, if I go to an auto mechanic that has John Doe, ASE printed on his business card, it means something specific. And if he uses it because he feels he's "A Super Expert" rather then because he's certified through the National Institute for Automotive Service Excellence most folks would consider that a problem.

The point (I think) is that in this field many people use tittles that are not recognized as providing any basic minimum qualifications in order to mislead people looking for opinions and services. In this field there are no recognized minimum qualifications. I'm always told this is not really a problem.

Richard

Fable Goodman said:

Richard Clark MFT said:

Michael Ellner said:

John, et al,

In my opinion, any one using a PhD to suggest expertise in hypnosis is full of *@!% no matter how or where they obtained their PhDs. Michael E

Hi Michael,

To be clear, are you including; Ernest Hilgard, PhD, JeffreyZeig, PhD, Stephen Gilligan, PhD, Ernest Rossi, PhD, Michael Yapko, PhD, and hundreds of a similar hypnotists with accredited doctorates in this statement?

Richard

I feel that their expertise stands on it's own merits,
regardless of the fact that they might mention their PhD.

I have not noticed them using their qualifactions to validate their opinions.
they simply do good work, and also
mention (appropriately) in literature that they are PhDs.



the point (I think) is,
that a PhD in and off itself
does not guarantee any sort of quality.
there are many excellent examples of people with PhDs
who clearly demonstrate quality and integrity...
(you mentioned a few good examples).

but there are also many examples of people
with real or fictitious PhDs
who simply use the title
in an attempt to give some added credibility to their opinions.

I prefer not to mention any PhD that I may (or may not) have
as I feel it has very little relevance to the weight of my opinions.

I prefer to speak as a human being,
from my own experience,
and hope/trust that at least some people
will respect my opinions
on their merit,
(or lack of merit as it sometimes happens.)


Love and hugs,

Fable

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