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Hypnotizing Physically Exhausted People
I was wondering if any of you has succeeded in hypnotizing people that are physically tired.Not tired from working in an office but right off the bat 5 mins after the workout or after hard work.It seems the only times I've failed to get hypnosis (4 times with people who cooperated fully) have this one factor in common.
To be mentioned for me to get hypnosis means they get to do something wich is illogical, eye lock or ears burning or hads stuck, etc, you get the drift, at least one illogical thing.
To be mentioned for me to get hypnosis means they get to do something wich is illogical, eye lock or ears burning or hads stuck, etc, you get the drift, at least one illogical thing.
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Permalink Reply by tc_Burt on -
I'd be considering that they maybe still pumping adrenaline and on an endorphin rush. Maybe consider a relaxation induction for these people.
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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on -
Helping people change states is one of our tasks. Think about how you can help these clients transition from that exhausted state to one of rejuvenation. During your pre-talk, you can do a lot of this merely by elliciting information. "Is there a certain place you like to visit to get re-energized?" "What food or drink makes you feel healthy and alive?" "Did you know that one hour of trance experience is equivalent to 4 hours of good, restful sleep?"
Or, if the case is as tc Burt commented, you might suggest that they take the current way they feel and let it drain away, imagining it moving into a balloon off their shoulder, etc. All of this can be done in open eye work.
It's quite possible that even though a person is physically exhausted that their mind is still going 9-0. If you are not gaining compliance, your client is not following directions for some reason. Be very clear about what you need them to do to help them get the most out of your time together. Also, a confusion induction might work nicely to help them along.
Best wishes,
Kelley
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Permalink Reply by Iacobet Cosmin on
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Henxy, hypnotizing people after training in the kickboxing class, one of the people on wich hypnosis hasn't happened on that ocasion only was a very good hypnotic subject wich was easily hypnotized on previous ocasions(less than 2 mins to somnambulism)
Burt, that might work when time is not of essence and if I'd like repeating relax alot, but as I just briefly mention relaxation..anyway the last time I worked at it maybe around 7 mins..or more..even if rem eye movement appears nothing happends in terms of acceptance of suggestion (or those changes are not worth mentioning, too minute)..
Kelley, imagining things is easy and in a therapeutical context is useful but for people who already know that they can imagine things and who just want to experience hypnosis, imagination is not a convincer if not producing a physical change..Confusion doesn't work as I usually do armpulls and stuff..
The external signs show hypnosis, but no convincers work, I think it might be about an inability to follow suggestions when exhausted..
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on -
I actually don't understand the question .... Think about it .... Why does the Army send folks on LONG forced marches in basic Training and THEN sit them down for a training (indoctrination) seminar ??? Hmmm? I wonder. I work with athletes who do some very high performance work outs I get hypnotic effect easily and they are very receptive to suggestion after a hard work out. However I would point out one concern in your wording .... Getting hypnosis does not mean getting at least one "illogical" thing .... What you are talking about is a Hallucination. (One of the major milestones of the hypnotic process) I would suggest that that may be a limiting belief on your part. I would be using a differant test .... something congruent with a physically exhausted state, I use response to my trigger for relaxation (Of Course, that means that working with thier personal coach, I have hypnotized them in previous setting)
Hugh Cole
The pretty goodest hypnotist on the planet
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Permalink Reply by Iacobet Cosmin on
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Indoctrination doesn't require hipnotic convincers.Long marches make people not process the information they are given because of exhaustion, they are not hypnotized, they are exhausted and due to the fact that they cannot escape the army(might be due to social factors or/and legal factors) they conform with the instructions.A better comparison might be ordeal therapy; the losses are bigger than the gains of trying to have their own personality so they accept what the army says that is true as the new best reality.
What I asked about was not using planned hypnotic sessions, I mean unplanned short (under 5 minutes) recreational hypnosis, just for the fun of it and not for any gain whatsoever except for the experience, mine and theirs.(no progressive relaxation or anything long, given time I can hypnotize anyone, under pressure it's best so that you unleash your creativity and are precise)
I would say that I've hypnotized some 100 people more or less and the only times when I didn't get anything were these 4 times, 3 when people where exhausted and one of those 3 subjects was previously hypnotized on multiple ocasions.I do not count 'relaxation' as a hypnotic effect, I do not count 'feeling less tired' as a hypnotic effect unless you have a chronic disease wich makes you tired, these are effects that are natural if you take some deep breaths, no need for hypnosis (I am into sports and yoga for some years and I can vouch for that).I do call a subject laughing at something without reason on command as an effect, I call creating excessive heat/cold in the body as an effect,body catalepsy, hand stuck, forgetting numbers, name, barking like a dog without wanting to do so, arm floating, magnetic hands, etc.
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Permalink Reply by Roger Moore on -
I am with Hugh - I don't understand. I work with athletes and groups at the gym and do hypnosis after strenuous exercise frequently, never had a problem. I sure don't understand the need to do some illogical thing. Why can't hypnosis be powerfully effective without doing something illogical?
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Permalink Reply by Iacobet Cosmin on
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Once more, the context wich I described is not in any way for any kind of therapy, is just 'demonstrating the power of HYPNOSIS' and I've demonstrated nothing without 'real' hypnotic effects..
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on
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Do a speed trance induction.... I like the arm drop myself .... fractionate several times to be sure he is following and closing his eyes when you say sleep. Lift an appropriate arm several times until it becomes a lead weight. fireing in "waking suggestion" about how good it feels to leave the Heavy the heavy eyelids closed, ,,, Use Elman verbiage when you ask for eye lock. ... should work just fine. particularly if they are tired,
Hugh Cole
Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet
Iacobet Cosmin said:Once more, the context wich I described is not in any way for any kind of therapy, is just 'demonstrating the power of HYPNOSIS' and I've demonstrated nothing without 'real' hypnotic effects..
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Permalink Reply by Iacobet Cosmin on
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Did that,the first time. Nothing..outward signs of hypnosis present,rapid eye movements,breathing changes,skin color changes but except a very(and that means very short) short beginning of an unconscious arm-lift, nothing.
Also did an expectancy induction and arm pull,subject drowsy but nothing else.Outwardly speaking he was in hypnosis, exactly like the previous time when it didn't work (last winter), outwardly it looks like hypnosis but no convincer is there to be experienced.
My thing is not that I don't know what to do about this (never go for hypnosis with physically exhausted people and do convincers), I was just curious if somebody else had this happen before..
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Permalink Reply by Paul Ramsay on
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The only thing like this I've ever had is when doing stage shows for chem-free parties (after-prom, after-grad) at high schools. The clients often want the show to be the last thing, so I go on at 2am, 3am, after the students have been running, bouncing, and dodge-balling all night long. They're so wiped that they go easily into trance, then lay there exhausted and don't want to move. So rather than do the usual routine of talking about relaxation, all my patter after the induction at those shows is about building energy. Happiness, rejuvenation, excitement, over and over again until they get fired up enough to do something fun.
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Permalink Reply by Iacobet Cosmin on
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Thanks a lot Paul, that is really helpful and even though I'm going to avoid hypnotising exhausted people in the event that I do get carried away :D it's a great thing to know..
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