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I was wondering if any of you has succeeded in hypnotizing people that are physically tired.Not tired from working in an office but right off the bat 5 mins after the workout or after hard work.It seems the only times I've failed to get hypnosis (4 times with people who cooperated fully) have this one factor in common.
To be mentioned for me to get hypnosis means they get to do something wich is illogical, eye lock or ears burning or hads stuck, etc, you get the drift, at least one illogical thing.

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I think that Roger and Hugh gave some valuable advice as did Paul as well. You are absolutely right that hypnosis is not relaxation and shouldn't be used as an indicator of anything more than a relaxed state.

I think that Hugh said that you shouldn't limit yourself to just using hallucination as your indicator of hypnotic effect. It's up to you to find the doorway into their SCM. So that each time that you get a response that doesn't work the way you want it to just say "that's right" or "good" and then fractionate and look for another convincer. Maybe you need to start with an easier convincer that has a built in success, and then fractionate and add to it with something requiring a more profound state.

I personally don't work under the type of conditions that you're describing so I can't give you examples of additional convincers. Check out Ormand McGill's Encyclopaedia and you'll able to find many I'm sure.

My experience working with both professional and amateur athletes has led me to believe that they are really great subjects and are great at following directions and commands. If after getting a few failed attempts you start to doubt whether they will go into trance, that in itself will inhibit them from achieving the result you desire and instead they will get the result you fear.

Marc

P.S. I don't believe that an increase in adrenaline will have any effect on whether they go into hypnosis or not.
That's right, and I've hypnotized athletes before and they are as good subjects as any. I was curious just about this particular context of exhaustion and the elicitation of hypnotic phenomena; started a post about this because only the smallest unconscious movement was present and the subject cooperated fully, wich was uncommon to me.
20 minutes later I met some friends on the street and hypnotized a young man who was never hypnotized before and elicited kinesthetic hallucinations and uncontrolled laughter, etc. in about 5 minutes, wich is 2 and a half minutes too long for me (he wasn't a great subject initially ); I'm used to always get things if people give me 5 seconds of their attention and that's why I've been curious if someone else knows something about this, and Paul Ramsay gave me a satisfying answer, for wich answer I thank him.
Wich thinking is selected by you, the hypnotist..I do only instant or rapid inductions, the elman takes 3 mins and a half, long and not actually needed ..safe for some people, slow for me..
It isn't a problem. Or rather I have hypnotised people after three hurs of hard dancing in nightclubs and in a gym after squash. So.

You are forgetting the *OTHER* common factor...

That's right, you and your belief system.

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Jon Chase

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