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Is it right to have fun at other peoples expence?
Stage show hypnosis takes control of another’s belief and then subjects them to humorous scenarios.
Is this right or wrong?
Don't forget the victims volunteer to go before their peers!
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Permalink Reply by Saul Rosenfeld on -
At first I thought this joker was just a dyed-in-the-wool anti-Semite (I can usually smell 'em a mile away LOL), but considering the rest of his rant against Christianity, I'm thinking he's probably just a total nutjob.
By the way, "Mike" (if that's really your real "Christian" name?), your place of residence is actually spelled "Bavaria", NOT "Baveria" (sic).
; - )
Saul
www.HistoryOfHypnotism.com
Mike Payne said:Haven’t logged on for a while… and seems Saul is still trying to sell his book using some kind of egocentric fear tactic.
The last book I read from a “Saul” was the guy who threw the first stone at one of Jesus’ boys; changed his name to “Paul” and told the whole world that the undisputable “FACT” is: "they are all sinners!”.
He even started a religious cult responsible for killing millions and destroying peaceful “pagan” civilizations all under the motto: “Love Thy Neighbor!”
That cult survived 2000 years and still thrives today!
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Permalink Reply by Scott Sandland on -
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Permalink Reply by Saul Rosenfeld on
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Sorry Scott, if you're referring to MY last post....but I have trouble taking personal insults without responding, and what he said was most definitely a personal insult.
If you like I'll delete my last post...
Saul
www.HistoryOfHypnotism.com
Scott Sandland, C.Ht. said:MODERATORS NOTE
This thread is at risk of being deleted. Stay productive and on topic or it will go away. I hate removing content, so let's be smart about all this.
thank you.
Scott Sandland
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Permalink Reply by Wayne James Fearn on -
Guys,
Back on track.
This chap has found something that makes stage hypnosis a thing of the past and puts the 'power to the people' as some would have us believe.
http://www.hypnotism.co.uk/index.html
This was brought up on another forum but I feel is relevant here. Are these people willingly accepting what this guy does ‘to’ them or are they able to stop it if necessary?
I will not quote anything from this site (although legally I am allowed to reference a paragraph without repercussion) as you can take time to peruse this yourselves.
Wayne.
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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig - HypnosisAustin on -
Back from the weekend, and still joining Richard in the act of ignoring this thread.
James
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Permalink Reply by Mike Payne on -
If “all the world is a stage” then clearly many stage hypnotists and hypnotees abound!
And of course all sorts of roles are distributed and played out by all!
Moreover, the duty of every free thinking individual is to determine which roles and thoughts are their own and which are the thoughts and roles of others.
If one wishes to enjoy life and remain healthy: one should choose roles filled with laughter and heart; and avoid roles of bigotry and fear!
Most importantly, one should be able to laugh at one’s self!
Likewise, in the limited scenario of stage-hypnosis; again one can choose to laugh or fear!
That is the choice!
And that choice should be made by every individual- freely through their own discretion not dictated by anyone else or fogged by the unsubstantiated fear of some self-appointed self-righteous evangelist!
A special thanks to Saul for pointing out my typo and reminding us that “if you cannot argue substance then at least point out the trivial!”
LOL
mike
Mike Payne said:Haven’t logged on for a while… and seems Saul is still trying to sell his book using some kind of egocentric fear tactic.
The last book I read from a “Saul” was the guy who threw the first stone at one of Jesus’ boys; changed his name to “Paul” and told the whole world that the undisputable “FACT” is: "they are all sinners!”.
He even started a religious cult responsible for killing millions and destroying peaceful “pagan” civilizations all under the motto: “Love Thy Neighbor!”
That cult survived 2000 years and still thrives today!
Now that really shows the “frightening” power of hypnosis!
LOL
mike
Saul Rosenfeld said:Richard,
Whatever made you assume (totally INcorrectly) that I started out with a premise and then spent 13 years trying to PROVE it? Why, that's absurd!
I started out with a clean slate, and wanted to write a totally different KIND of "history of hypnotism" book that presented a type of "unified field theory" linking the past two centuries together in an attempt to discover WHY such an incredibly benevolent and powerful force for HEALING (which was already recognized back in the 1780's!) came to be regarded with universal DISDAIN instead of being hailed by all as a miraculous natural modality for curing ailments.
I had NO IDEA where my research would lead me....NONE! But as the years passed, and as I read more than 1,000 primary and secondary books and articles spanning those two centuries, it became clearer and clearer that there was a REASON why people were frightened or put off by hypnosis and hypnotists- and that reason was the terrible IMAGE created and SUSTAINED by PUBLIC DISPLAYS of HIGHLY AUTHORITARIAN INDUCTIONS and ROUTINES!
It was the same in EVERY country, and throughout various eras.
The fact that YOU don't LIKE what my research revealed doesn't alter the FACTS one iota.
The fact that your stage hypnotist colleagues have, throughout the years, singlehandedly SUSTAINED this HIGHLY NEGATIVE IMAGE by DELIBERATELY giving their audiences the PERCEPTION that they CONTROLLED THE MINDS of their "hapless" subjects is a MATTER of RECORD, and you can try to refute it all you want, but it will NEVER change the FACTS. Not "MY" facts, but the HISTORICAL RECORD. It is there for ALL to see, but just so happens that I was the FIRST person to have ever put all these diverse bits of EVIDENCE together.
Once again, I started out with a clean slate, and had NO IDEA what I would discover (how COULD I?!).
And why WOULD I be biased against stage hypnotists? I'VE never been humiliated on stage- I've never had any personal REASON to be prejudiced against them!
But it doesn't surprise me in the least that you accuse me of doing so (and "accuse" is the correct word!), because it takes the onus off YOUR colleagues and puts it on ME. That's called "shooting the messenger", and it's a rather pathetic tactic to say the least.
I'd hoped, in vain, that you and at least SOME of your colleagues would be more "open minded"- if only out of curiosity, or to see if I could at least "POSSIBLY" be right.
I suppose I should have known better.
My bad.
And... pan left... fade to black..... and we are OUT....its a wrap.
Saul
www.HistoryOfHypnotism.com
P.S. One more thing. It's quite humorous indeed the way you...imply...that I'm shilling for my book by spending countless hours of my valuable time on such discussions (LOL!). Let me see, how did you phrase it?
"Your book, ( which I assume is getting great press and publicity because of the number of times it is brought up in this conversation) is not PROOF that your opinion is the correct one about stage hypnosis."
Yes, the press has been following this debate with all the fervor of the Tiger Woods scandal! My phone hasn't stopped ringing, and the publicity has become SO frenzied that the paparazzi are camped outside my door hoping to catch a glimpse of me. As a direct result of this discussion, sales have exploded, and my new Ferrari is already on order (as well as a Porsche Carrera for the wife).
Thank you HypnoThoughts for making me wealthy beyond my wildest dreams!
LOL
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Permalink Reply by Wayne James Fearn on
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Thank you for posting that your ignoring the thread, very ironic!
Typical of the confusion in the hypnotic world.
James Hazlerig said:Back from the weekend, and still joining Richard in the act of ignoring this thread.
James
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Permalink Reply by Sally on -
I agree as long as the hypnotist is responsible and states the possibility of some peculiar or embarrassing behavior that might result under the hypnosis.
Kelley Woods said:I suppose you might wonder who is having the fun...and of course, that's subjective. My taste in humor is different than someone's else. Most volunteers for stage hypnosis have expectation of the type of stunts they will participate in, so I see nothing wrong with it. If a viewer is offended, that's the risk of attending such an event, as is the possiblity of watered-down drinks!
Now if the audience and participants are having fun at the hypnotist's expense...THAT might be an interesting show to see!
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