Is There Any Evidence Anywhere That Hypnotherapy Can Help Overcome A Heroin/Crack Habit

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Permalink Reply by Duncan Murray on March 17, 2010 at 5:18am

Hi all

Nicotine is not addictive - the analysis of the NRT 'fraud' of the NHS provision of £130million p.a. claims show a true success rate of 1.65% - with an intake of 25 plus time the level of nicotine from smoking - well effective 'addictive drug' that one!

....Class A drugs are a totally different kettle of fish...just look at www.truthwillout.co.uk or refer back to the in addition to happy Valentine's Day thread - smoking was puffed to death there...

John Maclean said:

James,
I think you need to read the start of that post again. The point where I concede the argument about a combination of chemicals. The point I made was that "Nicotine" is not addictive.
John

James Tripp said:

So John

You stated that smoking is not an addiction, which I challanged. Then to defend you position you cite Dr. Peter Killeen's assertion that smoking is highly addictive!?!

Very strange!

All the very best

James

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Permalink Reply by stephen mc glame on March 17, 2010 at 1:15pm

Thanks James for the advice i agree what may persuade one may push another into defence. We have clients that are referred into 12 step programmes (re-habs) they are implicit in what they believe. Clients are physically and psychologicaly addicted .Clients taking part in their programme must agree to the believe system.One of their leaflets in the past had a picture of a man looking very determined yet depressed under the heading , Don't Tell Me I Don't Have A Disease, This program as you are well aware has done a lot of good for the client group however it does not suit all . We have another organization That is called Rational Recovery they believe it is a habit that can be broken, a bad choice they need help in breaking the pattern of making bad choices. This alternative to the 12 step which can mean a residential programme lasting from 3month to 9 month consists of 4x 2hour sessions and one 2hour session follow up 3 month later Therefore yes it depends on who we are working with and their belief systems.. Thanks James

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Permalink Reply by James Tripp on March 17, 2010 at 2:07pm

Sorry John - I assumed that you still held with your original position as posted in your first post on this thread:

"Smoking is not an addiction. It is a habit."

And Duncan

Can you be cleared about what you are saying? Are you saying that because NRT doesn't work, nicotine is not addictive? Of course replacing nicotine with nicotine wouldn't work as a means of reducing nicotine dependence!

Or maybe I am just misunderstanding you.

All the very best

James
http://www.hypnosiswithouttrance.com/
http://www.jamestripp.co.uk/

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Permalink Reply by Duncan Murray on March 18, 2010 at 1:23am

James

The very fact that NRT doesn't work is indicative of the fact that nicotine is not an addictive drug, the fact that in the original tests the monkey's that were 'self-administering' nicotine by pressing a lever that turned on LEDs and administered nicotine via a subcutaneous (or was it intravenous I can't remember) needle reduced the incidence of 'self-administration' by 50% the moment the lights were removed (or does that mean that LEDs are addictive???) and the rats that failed to administer nicotine in trials were deemed to be 'defective' and discounted....and Chris Holmes' book as on www.truthwillout.co.uk - sorry can't paraphrase 300+ pages here - does demonstrate quite clearly that nicotine is not an addictive drug - think about it a placebo effect is 35% success - nicotine is 1.65% effective...as Private Eye would say 'shurely shome mishtake - Ed'!!!

Be sure though that if a person thinks that it is addictive they will behave as if it is addictive - Orr's Law 'What the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves'! - but this is all being puffed away at on the other thread 'in addition to happy valentine's day...' Read Chris Holmes' replies there.....

Cheers

James Tripp said:

Sorry John - I assumed that you still held with your original position as posted in your first post on this thread:
"Smoking is not an addiction. It is a habit."
And Duncan

Can you be cleared about what you are saying? Are you saying that because NRT doesn't work, nicotine is not addictive? Of course replacing nicotine with nicotine wouldn't work as a means of reducing nicotine dependence!

Or maybe I am just misunderstanding you.

All the very best

James
http://www.hypnosiswithouttrance.com/
http://www.jamestripp.co.uk/

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Permalink Reply by Steve Kuzniczci on May 29, 2010 at 11:51am

I have dealt with heroin addiction. I had a client that was addicted for 22 years. Her biggest issue in recovery was self esteem. She believed that was who she was. Once her self esteem grew she was able to stay clean. She has now been clean for two years and doing very well.
I suggest you make sure that hypnosis is NOT the only part of recovery. Have the individual in a 12 step program. If they can afford it I suggest they use psychological counseling as well. All are parts of the recovery.
To me though, the biggest part of this is for them to see themselves as being "better than that."
I also suggest that they make changes at home (assuming that is where they used). Move furniture around, etc. If they used in the bathroom (as one of my clients did) I had them take the light bulbs out of the bathroom so they could only use it to go to the toilet.
The real key though is that they really want to quit and are not doing it to satisfy a partner or parent or even the judge. It has to be about them.
Hope it helps,
Steve

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Permalink Reply by Mohammed Magsi on May 29, 2010 at 2:08pm

Steve,

Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. I have done something similar with my ex-alcoholic client. Built the self-confidence and self-believe before dealing client's alcohol issue. Unfortunately, alcohol is part of a social setup in the UK so we agreed that client could have 1 drink and anchor would kick in. 8 weeks and client is doing really well.

You have mentioned some really great ideas here which I can use with my gambling client.

Thanks once again for sharing your knowledge.

Mohammed

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Permalink Reply by stephen mc glame on June 14, 2010 at 12:29am

Hi Steve

I am employed by an agency in the UK that works with individuals with substance misuse issues. Many of our clients have been stuck in the cycle of addiction since their early teens. I have access to funding for 12 step and many other psycho-social interventions however i have been attempting to find proof to convince commisioners that NLP/Hypnotherapy can make a valuable contribution to the Recovery of these poor individuals. I accept it would not be suitable for all clients but then again i have not come across any therapy that suits all. The 12 step programme and Therapeutic Communities, Detox Centres and such are all expensive and many require a minimum 3 month stay all amounting to large parts of a budget stretched in this economical climate with no guarantee of success and i might add that none of these programmes will work unless a client is motivated to change. I did find your point about changing things around in their home environment fascinating ashamed to say it is something i never thought of before and will certainly utilise in the future thankyou for that steve.

Steve

Steve Kuzniczci said:

I have dealt with heroin addiction. I had a client that was addicted for 22 years. Her biggest issue in recovery was self esteem. She believed that was who she was. Once her self esteem grew she was able to stay clean. She has now been clean for two years and doing very well.
I suggest you make sure that hypnosis is NOT the only part of recovery. Have the individual in a 12 step program. If they can afford it I suggest they use psychological counseling as well. All are parts of the recovery.
To me though, the biggest part of this is for them to see themselves as being "better than that."
I also suggest that they make changes at home (assuming that is where they used). Move furniture around, etc. If they used in the bathroom (as one of my clients did) I had them take the light bulbs out of the bathroom so they could only use it to go to the toilet.
The real key though is that they really want to quit and are not doing it to satisfy a partner or parent or even the judge. It has to be about them.
Hope it helps,
Steve

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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Watson on November 7, 2010 at 12:56pm

John Maclean - Hypno-Band tm said:

I would make one point and ask one question. My point is that I have treated Cocaine "addicts" quite successfully through a combination of CBT and hypnotherapy. I don't do smoking cessation. Why? Because I am a smoker. Smoking is not an addiction. It is a habit. The key to this is Dopamine. Treating addicts is very different as it there is a physical dependency rather than a perceived dependency. Any smoker can stop smoking if they choose to because the body has no requirement for nicotine which is in contrast to drugs such as cocaine or heroin. Those drugs affect Dopamine levels in the brain and we need Dopamine. We do not need nicotine! "Addiction" to nicotine makes it hard to quit smoking once you have started, but this "addiction" can be overcome in two weeks once the psychological reasons for smoking are eliminated. You need to understand and eliminate the psychological root of the problem. The simple explanation is that when you smoke it relieves an emotional or psychological need. Cocaine, on the other hand provides a "high" which is then is "chased" to recreate a physical feeling. Believe me, I know as I have been "addicted" to both! I know my opinion will be challenged and I welcome that. We really need to look at things differently to solve these issues.

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on November 7, 2010 at 5:57pm

Hi Stephen,

FYI -I have heard 1000s of multi-substance abusers who were addicted to crack, smack and/or coke say that it was far easier for them to give up drugs than to quit smoking...

Basically - treatment is no better than non-treament
http://www.jsad.com/jsad/article/A_Review_of_Psychologically_Orient...
Volume 36, 1975 > Issue 01: January 1975
A Review of Psychologically Oriented Treatment of Alcoholism. II. The Relative Effectiveness of Different Treatment Approaches and the Effectiveness of Treatment versus No Treatment
Chad D. Emrick
SUMMARY. A review of 384 studies of psychologically oriented alcoholism treatment showed that differences in treatment methods did not significantly affect long-term outcome. Mean abstinence rates did not differ between treated and untreated alcoholics, but more treated than nontreated alcoholics improved, suggesting that formal treatment at least increases an alcoholic’s chances of reducing his drinking problem.

Michael E.

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