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It's Impossible For A Normal Human To Not Experience Trance
Every single human being of average or better intelligence is not only fully capable of experiencing trance, it's impossible for them to avoid it.
To get hung up on whether hypnosis is real or not or whether I can hypnotize my client or not is a huge waste of session time. And when you allow a client to frame their subjective experience as "not hypnosis" you are doing your client and hypnosis a great disservice. In other words, whatever they experience while with me is their hypnotic experience for that day and time. And it does change over time, usually getting better.
What happens when you allow your client to decide whether they've been hypnotized or not is that you are allowing your client to control the session, which is like having two hypnotists working in opposition to each other. "There can only be one hypnotist in the room and if you're getting paid, it might as well be you" (paraphrased from my friend and favorite trainer).
People who say they weren't hypnotized have hijacked the session. These characteristics are most prevalent in certain types of people. They need to be taught that whatever they experience with you during the ritual of hypnosis is their hypnotic experience. In other words, they need to accept their experience period. Some people have difficulty with this, more than others.
Some people think that hypnosis has to be according to what they believe others have experienced it. But how in the world could they possibly know that? They weren't experiencing someone else's experience were they? These type of clients need to schedule more sessions, which will cost them more money. Their inability to recognize or accept their own trance state is not due to the inadequacies of the hypnotist if they have framed the session correctly, but due to the clients' own poor training.
We could spend the whole session or multiple sessions finding a convincer or test that they succeed at, if we buy into their desire to have us prove to them they are hypnotized. Then it's more than likely they will just end up negating their experience.
So get the best training that you can as a hypnotist so that you are convinced that you can indeed hypnotize people. Then stop having any type of dialogue with anyone over whether they are capable, have been or were hypnotized. And help people bring about the changes they want.
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Permalink Reply by Barry Neale on -
Hi Marc,
I agree, as I posted on the other post.
What is really funny is when you do a really fast bit of changework and not only to they deny hypnosis, but they also deny that the problem was much of a problem anyway!
Roger Callahan (of thought field therapy) calls this the Apex problem.
Their conscious minds have to try and cling to the illusion that they are in control!
Barry
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Permalink Reply by Jesus Gonzalez on -
I agree totally.
And Im also sure that some people who are not able to enter trance correctly are going to suffer some kind of psychological problem of some kind for sure. And I bet that some people havent studied this possibility yet!
Jesus
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Permalink Reply by Marc Carlin on -
Hi Barry,
Thanks, that gave me a laugh.
I don't have the need to be credited with my client's change but it sure does help pay the bills when referrals come from it.
It's common in this business for smokers struggling for years and years trying to quit, visiting a hypnotist and quitting after seeing the hypnotist and then claiming that they did it themselves. Well yes of course you did it yourself, with the help of learning how too use your mind correctly.
I guess it's a catch 22. It's best when the idea comes from within the client so that they think it's their idea, but then it sort of precludes the hypnotist and hypnosis getting credit.
Barry Neale said:Hi Marc,
I agree, as I posted on the other post.
What is really funny is when you do a really fast bit of changework and not only to they deny hypnosis, but they also deny that the problem was much of a problem anyway!
Roger Callahan (of thought field therapy) calls this the Apex problem.
Their conscious minds have to try and cling to the illusion that they are in control!
Barry
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Permalink Reply by Marc Carlin on
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Hi Jesus,
I don't think they haven't entered trance correctly, I just think they aren't willing to accept the trance they entered as being their trance.
Marc
Jesus Gonzalez said:I agree totally.
And Im also sure that some people who are not able to enter trance correctly are going to suffer some kind of psychological problem of some kind for sure. And I bet that some people havent studied this possibility yet!
Jesus
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Permalink Reply by Jesus Gonzalez on
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Aha. That way they are dissasociated from trance since they dont accept it. It makes sense :)
I like your words Marc, you really enlighthned my path and expanded my mind a bit more!This is someway related to what I talked to my partner some days ago. I told him that Im not able to think, I mean thinking normally, hear my voice etc. I cant do that. And then I told him: Hey. But if I dont know how you or other person thinks, how can I verify whether Im thinking "correctly" or not? And also, How could I verify that how the other person thinks is "more correct" than my way to think.
This could also be related to hypnosis. How do I know whether my hypnotic experience is more correct than yours or someone else? It's nonsense talking about correct or worse when it comes to experiences.
Just threw some thoughts that I related with your main post!
Enjoy your day fully now on! (if you didnt yet :D)
Jesus
Marc Carlin said:Hi Jesus,
I don't think they haven't entered trance correctly, I just think they aren't willing to accept the trance they entered as being their trance.
Marc
Jesus Gonzalez said:I agree totally.
And Im also sure that some people who are not able to enter trance correctly are going to suffer some kind of psychological problem of some kind for sure. And I bet that some people havent studied this possibility yet!
Jesus
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on -
Jesus,
Please understand that there is no way you can manifest a hypnotic trance state "incorrectly", and there is no risk of any kind of a psychological problem just by hypnotizing someone.
Hypnotic trance is natural for us to experience.
The closest you could achieve on your own without trying is actually daydreaming. While you are daydreaming you are still totally aware of your surroundings, your mind is still fully operational, yet the focus of your attention is internal to your body and you are receiving input from the imagination which is what I found best describes a hypnotic trance state.
I posted this discussion about difficulty experiencing trance here:
http://www.hypnothoughts.com/group/hard-to-hypnotize/forum/topics/w...
I hope this helps you
John
Jesus Gonzalez said:I agree totally.
And Im also sure that some people who are not able to enter trance correctly are going to suffer some kind of psychological problem of some kind for sure. And I bet that some people havent studied this possibility yet!
Jesus
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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on -
I'll add that the hypnotized individual is not having a sensory experience, rather it is a perceptual one, because hypnotism is an interpretive awareness.
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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on -
That's an interesting statement, AJ.
Can you expand on it?
AJ said:...rather it is a perceptual one, because hypnotism is an interpretive awareness.
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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on
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Hypnotic phenomena, e.g. hallucinations, anesthesia and amnesia, are not "shared" sensory experiences, they are "isolated" perceptions, i.e. "created" realities.
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Permalink Reply by Barry Neale on
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Permalink Reply by Marc Carlin on
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You are right Graham, that is interesting AJ.
I would agree that some of our experience in hypnosis is based upon previous experiences, like being able to smell a rose when none is present. If you never smelt a rose you would probably have to use whatever you imagined a rose to smell like or reject the suggestion.
But even so, I would say that it's a combination of stored responses and current responses, because we are able to feel things and sense things that are happening around us in real time as well.
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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on -
Great post, Marc. I suppose that's why I often mention in my pre-talk that I consider myself a "de-hypnotist", alluding to the ways that my client may be stuck in some trance state and needs to wake up! I have yet to have a client fail to nod and agree and then also give themselves permission to engage in the experience of getting unstuck.
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