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Keep it professional and courteous
Hello,
Recently I noticed some personal criticisms posted in discussion groups. Some comments have been downright rude, and could border on libel.
Regardless of whether we do or don’t approve of a technique someone else uses, it is only common courtesy to avoid imputing motives. Treat others with the same professionalism that you expect from those who might disagree with you.
Let’s remember that Scott has given our profession a great forum with Hypnothoughts. I urge all of you to debate the issue rather than attacking the person, and help make this a comfortable place for us to ask questions and debate techniques in a professional manner.
Roy Hunter, Ph.D., FAPHP
www.royhunter.com
Recently I noticed some personal criticisms posted in discussion groups. Some comments have been downright rude, and could border on libel.
Regardless of whether we do or don’t approve of a technique someone else uses, it is only common courtesy to avoid imputing motives. Treat others with the same professionalism that you expect from those who might disagree with you.
Let’s remember that Scott has given our profession a great forum with Hypnothoughts. I urge all of you to debate the issue rather than attacking the person, and help make this a comfortable place for us to ask questions and debate techniques in a professional manner.
Roy Hunter, Ph.D., FAPHP
www.royhunter.com
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by John Maclean on -
I agree with Roy's initial post and indeed with many of the other opinions. Whilst I also agree that one should retain a sense of humour when posting could I comment that this forum is populated by members from diverse and varied cultures and one person's humour is not always appreciated by those of a different cultural background! Having said that, surely the yardstick for respectful posting, debate or argument should be to conduct oneself in an adult manner rather than resorting to sarcasm or purile attacks. I always try to act as a professional and appreciate being treated the same way in return. This is an excellent forum and it would be a shame if it was spoilt by those out to inflate their own egos!
John
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on -
Some of us, with member number "unknown" have been here with Scott since before he started counting members, That is usually because we have seen the discussion groups he set up prior to Hypnothoughts and understand his Philosopy of "everyone is welcomed to make positive contributions", We knew that with the involvement of Scott, Richard Clark, and now Fable that the moderation would be loose, fair, and very supportive of open discusion of sometimes controversial topics, Open attacks and conceited self serving remarks have never been what Scott, Richard and the Hypnothoughts concept have been about. Unfortunately in some aspects people in this field tend to hypnotize themselves into believing that training from Superguru A is better than training from Superguru B. Sometimes that's a fault of the Superguru, most of the time not. Realize this ...It's not the training ... It's what YOU do with the training that counts!
In this forum you can encounter almost every model of the Hypnotic process ever formulated, Even the spectrum is hard to define from more abstract maternal Ericksonian styles to the EXTREMELY paternal power oriented performance styles.... It's all here. From the abstract energy styles, PLR folks and Reike healers to the very concrete "if you can't touch it It ain't real" styles, In addition you have people who are legends in field showing you "why" they are legends. and you have folks that will be legends just beginning to show independant thought and postulating ideas that could help your practise today.
Hypnosis is about models (ok constructs) and there are no bad models. Every model "works" for someone for something. .Every Model contributes something to your understanding of the Hypnotic process. Every model identifies limiting beliefs and empowering beliefs that one can use to make them a better hypnotist. It is in this spirit that Hypnothoughts becomes the most valuable tool you will ever encounter in your quest to becom the best you can be. That's why even very accomplished Hypnotist's cross train and continue to train throughout thier lifetime. It's not about who is the best and most important. Its about YOU being the best you can be, In a delightful smorgasboard of learning opportunities that has been set before you,,, It's up to you to pick and choose what you want to consume and what you want to leave behind for others to sample. .. because others will sample and consume it and find it worked for them even if you don't.
Realize also ... That despite the liberal policies and lack of interferance from the moderators.... how you act here tells others a lot about who you are. Freedom to disagree also shows others why you disagree and how you disagree. Professionalism and common courtesy dictate (no mandate) that you respect others trainings and abilities.. even though you may not agree with them completely.
As far as posts go, They are the intellectual property of the person who wrote them,,, given freely for all to see. They remain "content" on the site subject only to the sole discretion of the site owner ie Scott Sandland. Should a member leave for whatever reason, he is free to take his content with him or leave it here should he desire. The final arbitrator of whether the material remains or is deleted is Hypnothoughts. Policy has always been clear that flames, abuse, slanderous and inflamatory posts have no place here and the "schism" was by no means the first content to be locked down or deleted.
It is a sign of an educated mind that one can entertain a thought... without accepting it. Choose YOUR mentors wisely.... Beliefs are Contagious.
Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet
Fable Goodman said:Thanks Roy, and all the others who have contributed to this thread.
On this issue, I today had a message in my inbox, asking the following questions:
Second question: With all the talk of disrespectful posts, I was wondering, has any member ever been dismissed due to bad manners?
Third and last question: When a member leaves whether voluntarily or otherwise, what happens to the posts, discussions, etc. that he/she contributed?
I thought it might be worth sharing my response to those questions.
Regarding people being dismissed from hypnothoughts, well the answer is, that we try to intervene as little as possible, and certainly prefer to give gentle friendly warnings to people who do not stick to the forums agreements, including, disprespectful comments, spamming, and advertising within the forums. but if that fails, there are several steps that might be taken, ranging from freezing their membership for a period of reflection... to suspension or banning.
These are actions that are not taken lightly, except in the cases where it is obvious that the member has only joined the community for the purpose of spamming
When a person leaves the community, either voluntarilly, or through suspension.
Their posts and home page details are automatically deleted.
But as in the recent case... where other people have included that persons comments within a response , those comments can still be seen.
All community members have the abillity to delete any of their own posts, which for whatever reason they would prefer not to remain in a thread. and the modetors have the ability to delete any posts if they feel it is appropriate. again this is not something which is done lightly, as none of the moderators are keen on censorship.
Love and hugs,
Fable
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Permalink Reply by Joshua Houghton on -
Well Said Hugh. Excellent Post
Joshua Houghton
Hugh Cole said:Some of us, with member number "unknown" have been here with Scott since before he started counting members, That is usually because we have seen the discussion groups he set up prior to Hypnothoughts and understand his Philosopy of "everyone is welcomed to make positive contributions", We knew that with the involvement of Scott, Richard Clark, and now Fable that the moderation would be loose, fair, and very supportive of open discusion of sometimes controversial topics, Open attacks and conceited self serving remarks have never been what Scott, Richard and the Hypnothoughts concept have been about. Unfortunately in some aspects people in this field tend to hypnotize themselves into believing that training from Superguru A is better than training from Superguru B. Sometimes that's a fault of the Superguru, most of the time not. Realize this ...It's not the training ... It's what YOU do with the training that counts!
In this forum you can encounter almost every model of the Hypnotic process ever formulated, Even the spectrum is hard to define from more abstract maternal Ericksonian styles to the EXTREMELY paternal power oriented performance styles.... It's all here. From the abstract energy styles, PLR folks and Reike healers to the very concrete "if you can't touch it It ain't real" styles, In addition you have people who are legends in field showing you "why" they are legends. and you have folks that will be legends just beginning to show independant thought and postulating ideas that could help your practise today.
Hypnosis is about models (ok constructs) and there are no bad models. Every model "works" for someone for something. .Every Model contributes something to your understanding of the Hypnotic process. Every model identifies limiting beliefs and empowering beliefs that one can use to make them a better hypnotist. It is in this spirit that Hypnothoughts becomes the most valuable tool you will ever encounter in your quest to becom the best you can be. That's why even very accomplished Hypnotist's cross train and continue to train throughout thier lifetime. It's not about who is the best and most important. Its about YOU being the best you can be, In a delightful smorgasboard of learning opportunities that has been set before you,,, It's up to you to pick and choose what you want to consume and what you want to leave behind for others to sample. .. because others will sample and consume it and find it worked for them even if you don't.
Realize also ... That despite the liberal policies and lack of interferance from the moderators.... how you act here tells others a lot about who you are. Freedom to disagree also shows others why you disagree and how you disagree. Professionalism and common courtesy dictate (no mandate) that you respect others trainings and abilities.. even though you may not agree with them completely.
As far as posts go, They are the intellectual property of the person who wrote them,,, given freely for all to see. They remain "content" on the site subject only to the sole discretion of the site owner ie Scott Sandland. Should a member leave for whatever reason, he is free to take his content with him or leave it here should he desire. The final arbitrator of whether the material remains or is deleted is Hypnothoughts. Policy has always been clear that flames, abuse, slanderous and inflamatory posts have no place here and the "schism" was by no means the first content to be locked down or deleted.
It is a sign of an educated mind that one can entertain a thought... without accepting it. Choose YOUR mentors wisely.... Beliefs are Contagious.
Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet
Fable Goodman said:Thanks Roy, and all the others who have contributed to this thread.
On this issue, I today had a message in my inbox, asking the following questions:
Second question: With all the talk of disrespectful posts, I was wondering, has any member ever been dismissed due to bad manners?
Third and last question: When a member leaves whether voluntarily or otherwise, what happens to the posts, discussions, etc. that he/she contributed?
I thought it might be worth sharing my response to those questions.
Regarding people being dismissed from hypnothoughts, well the answer is, that we try to intervene as little as possible, and certainly prefer to give gentle friendly warnings to people who do not stick to the forums agreements, including, disprespectful comments, spamming, and advertising within the forums. but if that fails, there are several steps that might be taken, ranging from freezing their membership for a period of reflection... to suspension or banning.
These are actions that are not taken lightly, except in the cases where it is obvious that the member has only joined the community for the purpose of spamming
When a person leaves the community, either voluntarilly, or through suspension.
Their posts and home page details are automatically deleted.
But as in the recent case... where other people have included that persons comments within a response , those comments can still be seen.
All community members have the abillity to delete any of their own posts, which for whatever reason they would prefer not to remain in a thread. and the modetors have the ability to delete any posts if they feel it is appropriate. again this is not something which is done lightly, as none of the moderators are keen on censorship.
Love and hugs,
Fable
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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on
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Hi Hugh,
That's good food for thought...and it reminds me of a very common debate at hypnosis meetings during the middle part of the 1980's regarding induction techniques.
Some would argue FOR progressive relaxation while others argued AGAINST it because some clients have short attention spans, etc. Others argued FOR rapid inductions while others argued AGAINST them for various reasons. Similar arguments came from hypnotists who preferred eye fixation, etc., etc. The polite professional agreed to disagree while others got quite blatant in their arguments. (This was in person and not on a newsgroup.)
While listening to all the arguments, I finally came to the conclusion that there actually IS one induction that you can use with most of your clients most of the time...the one YOU like best! However, it is good to know several other inductions in order to help the occasional client who fails to respond to your favorite induction.
Perhaps the same is true for your favorite hypnotherapy techniques...but we can be prepared by knowing a number of different techniques for those clients who fail to respond to our preferred technique(s) of choice.
Best wishes,
Roy
Hugh Cole said:Some of us, with member number "unknown" have been here with Scott since before he started counting members, That is usually because we have seen the discussion groups he set up prior to Hypnothoughts and understand his Philosopy of "everyone is welcomed to make positive contributions", We knew that with the involvement of Scott, Richard Clark, and now Fable that the moderation would be loose, fair, and very supportive of open discusion of sometimes controversial topics, Open attacks and conceited self serving remarks have never been what Scott, Richard and the Hypnothoughts concept have been about. Unfortunately in some aspects people in this field tend to hypnotize themselves into believing that training from Superguru A is better than training from Superguru B. Sometimes that's a fault of the Superguru, most of the time not. Realize this ...It's not the training ... It's what YOU do with the training that counts!
In this forum you can encounter almost every model of the Hypnotic process ever formulated, Even the spectrum is hard to define from more abstract maternal Ericksonian styles to the EXTREMELY paternal power oriented performance styles.... It's all here. From the abstract energy styles, PLR folks and Reike healers to the very concrete "if you can't touch it It ain't real" styles, In addition you have people who are legends in field showing you "why" they are legends. and you have folks that will be legends just beginning to show independant thought and postulating ideas that could help your practise today.
Hypnosis is about models (ok constructs) and there are no bad models. Every model "works" for someone for something. .Every Model contributes something to your understanding of the Hypnotic process. Every model identifies limiting beliefs and empowering beliefs that one can use to make them a better hypnotist. It is in this spirit that Hypnothoughts becomes the most valuable tool you will ever encounter in your quest to becom the best you can be. That's why even very accomplished Hypnotist's cross train and continue to train throughout thier lifetime. It's not about who is the best and most important. Its about YOU being the best you can be, In a delightful smorgasboard of learning opportunities that has been set before you,,, It's up to you to pick and choose what you want to consume and what you want to leave behind for others to sample. .. because others will sample and consume it and find it worked for them even if you don't.
Realize also ... That despite the liberal policies and lack of interferance from the moderators.... how you act here tells others a lot about who you are. Freedom to disagree also shows others why you disagree and how you disagree. Professionalism and common courtesy dictate (no mandate) that you respect others trainings and abilities.. even though you may not agree with them completely.
As far as posts go, They are the intellectual property of the person who wrote them,,, given freely for all to see. They remain "content" on the site subject only to the sole discretion of the site owner ie Scott Sandland. Should a member leave for whatever reason, he is free to take his content with him or leave it here should he desire. The final arbitrator of whether the material remains or is deleted is Hypnothoughts. Policy has always been clear that flames, abuse, slanderous and inflamatory posts have no place here and the "schism" was by no means the first content to be locked down or deleted.
It is a sign of an educated mind that one can entertain a thought... without accepting it. Choose YOUR mentors wisely.... Beliefs are Contagious.
Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on -
I know exectly what you mean Roy. For instance. A few months ago some therapists fro Illinios were discussing the states view on hypnotism and even though that only affects a small number of people here no one told them to shut up and go away! Isn't that wonderful?
Hugh Cole said:
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Permalink Reply by AJ on -
“When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself.” ~Dr. Wayne Dyer
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Permalink Reply by John Maclean on
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Actually, It's all BS Ian. If people want to stoop to lower levels of argument, let them. I know that your intention was positive. See Roy's discussion about debate.
Ian Jay said:Deepak Chopra next? Or maybe John Lennon?
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Permalink Reply by AJ on
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“It is hard to be one among many," says The Buddha.
See more: http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/the_education_of_oronte_churm/q...
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on -
"All you need is love" - Ian.
Michael E.
Ian Jay said:Deepak Chopra next? Or maybe John Lennon?
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Permalink Reply by James Malone on -
How about "A word to the wise is infuriating." Hunter S. Thompson
Michael Ellner said:"All you need is love" - Ian.
Michael E.
Ian Jay said:Deepak Chopra next? Or maybe John Lennon?
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Permalink Reply by Pattie Freeman CH.t, MST on -
Roy,
I agree with you totally..we should be courteous and professional especially with our collegues.
I am with you 110%
Pattie
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on
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Unfortunately Ian, I cannot take personal credit for my little bromide.. I can just tell you it’s served me well most of my life. I read it in a graduate Philosophy text and it sorta stuck with me after that. It belongs to a man who lived a long time ago, named Aristotle. He was a Philosopher of sorts himself and some say one of the greater minds of his time. Aristotle and his buddies liked to discourse on abstract profound questions of the Universe. I don’t think Aristotle would agree with your observation, Matter of fact I’m sure he wouldn’t because he expressed the idea pretty clearly in his writings, but I’m in a pickle as to how to present that to you. I think he would probably center in on the verb entertain and draw a distinction between the way you were entertaining the thought and the way his “educated mind” might entertain a thought, a postulate, a theorem, a concept or some other even more abstract idea. But I don’t really know how important it would have been for him to debate with you either. So I’ll leave it like this .. I don’t really need to go back to the drawing board. My little bromide serves me quite well just the way I stated it. If you’d like to make one for yourself … I ‘m not using the drawing board, be my guest.
Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet
Ian Jay said:Hugh
Something worried me about your aphorism....
Then it hit me: If you replace 'educated' with 'uneducated' - it still works!
Sorry Hugh, its back to the drawing board ;-)
Yours, philosophically
Ian
Hugh Cole said:
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