Law and Ethics of Street Hypnosis

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Permalink Reply by James Brown on August 30, 2009 at 12:04am

As this topic is causing so much concern with people in the UK I am surprised no one has offered advise yet!

Still looking forward to replies.... lol

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Street on August 30, 2009 at 12:23am

Hi James,

I am not a legal professional but the Hypnotism act (1952) as ammended to be found at

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukpga/1952/cukpga_19520...

appears to be quite explicit and "unusally" easy to read.

However I don't know whether there is any case law so I will leave this for others to add.

Regards

Hugh

James Brown said:

As this topic is causing so much concern with people in the UK I am surprised no one has offered advise yet!

Still looking forward to replies.... lol

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Permalink Reply by bob burns on August 30, 2009 at 2:43am

Hi James,
As Hugh said the hypnosis act !952 and amended are incredibly ambigious in certain areas. It appears fairly obvious in fact that no one person (from those who wrote in and supposedly police it) completely inderstands the act in its entirety. hence the gray area with regard to pub hypnosis shows, with the majority believing you need to have a license but as long as nothing goes wrong you should get away with it etc.
I personally am very open to both pub/restaurant hypnosis and street hypnosis and am not aware of any ruling against it. I am however in two camps since I'm aware that street hypnosis is growing and a by-product of such growth is that many of its users will be very inexperienced. BUT what was every experienced hypnotist before they were experienced, if not Inexperienced!?
I can say that most of the guys I know practicing this art are very conciencious and it does irk me that many of the experienced hypnotists seem determined to assume the very worse from the newbies. Unfairly so.

regards,
Bob Burns


James Brown said:

As this topic is causing so much concern with people in the UK I am surprised no one has offered advise yet!

Still looking forward to replies.... lol

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Permalink Reply by James Brown on August 30, 2009 at 3:03am

Thanks Bob

I have read the Act in detail and have also come to the conclusion that the Act does not specifically cover impromptu street performance where no payment is accepted.

The problems associated with a sudden influx of newbees does need to be carefully monitored. I have never been excited by the lowest common denominators in hypnosis and therefore avoid them BUT there are many routines that show this wonderful hypnotic world in a bright and exciting light.

It is a shame that certain people, for their own selfish ends, cannot see that new blood often brings innovation. Where would we be if Erickson had backed off when the old guard complained about his practices!

James Brown

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Permalink Reply by Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist on August 30, 2009 at 1:58pm

Hi James,
No such regulation her in NZ, but if you search 1952 on this forum, you'll see it's been discussed here before.

Reg

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on September 3, 2009 at 11:11am

Well, you didn't find it, Alex. You created it!

It's a good job there's no such thing as hypnosis. ;-)

Dr. Jonathan Royle aka Alex Smith said:

With direct relevance to what you havee asked there is a short video I found on the net which gives many
answers

http://www.blip.tv/file/2551064

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Permalink Reply by Scott Sandland on September 3, 2009 at 11:48am

Dr. Jonathan Royle aka Alex Smith said:

With direct relevance to what you havee asked there is a short video I found on the net which gives many
answers

Tread carefully on this one Alex. Starting your post with a lie is a great way of showing your intentions and your level of respect for your intended audience.

Let's make sure this discussion stays productive...
Scott

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on September 3, 2009 at 12:59pm

the whole thread is unsound, and looks like it was set up for mr smith to use , for this ridiculous campaign.

I have not heard of this being an issue in britain. except from the postings here.

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on September 3, 2009 at 1:07pm

It's a BIG issue in Britain, Fable - and increasingly so.

I'm pretty sure that James and Alex are on different sides of the fence on this one, so I can't see how he set it up to provide a platform for JR.


Fable Goodman said:

the whole thread is unsound, and looks like it was set up for mr smith to use , for this ridiculous campaign.

I have not heard of this being an issue in britain. except from the postings here.

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on September 3, 2009 at 1:16pm

Ok I stand corrected.

Of course I never read the newspapers, or watch/listen to news on tv or radio, so it is entirely possible that I have missed what is a a big news story.. but people generally tell me if there is anything of significance happening.

Ive eheard nothing of it.

Thanks for correcting my misperception Graham.

Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by James Brown on September 3, 2009 at 10:48pm

Hi Fable

This is not a BIG issue in the UK except for a number of very vocal individuals. I started this thread to get impartial (if that is ever truly possible) advice from members of this forum so I would have the knowledge to make my own decision. As only a fool makes decisions without knowledge.

Alex Smith (Alex Royle etc etc) started this whole problem when he accused many of us of breaking the law and acting without proper training, knowledge, regard for subjects, insurance, licensing, ethical code etc. It would have been easier to understand his POV if he hadn't spent so much time promoting himself, criticising others and being, well, loose with facts.

Oh, and point of fact - Jon Chase has stated clearly that he does not see ANY illegality in street hypnosis. He has said that all hypnosis COULD be dangerous if misused or carelessly used. He has also said that he thinks it's a complete waste of time.

Alex - You seem all too happen to believe that Reality is Plastic and that you can twist information and facts to suit your own ends.

As the originator of this discussion I am after a broad spectrum of ideas and interpretations from anyone on the forum. I will however exclude you Alex as I want facts not marketing thank you. If you can keep to truth then by all means participate.

James Brown

Fable Goodman said:

Ok I stand corrected.
Of course I never read the newspapers, or watch/listen to news on tv or radio, so it is entirely possible that I have missed what is a a big news story.. but people generally tell me if there is anything of significance happening.
Ive eheard nothing of it.

Thanks for correcting my misperception Graham.

Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on September 3, 2009 at 11:57pm

Thanks James,

That makes things much clearer.

Yes, I read just about every thread on this site. and agree with much of what you say about mr Smith.

I like a man who is brave enough to moderate his discussion thread.

Love and hugs,

Fable (A.K.A. Lawrie Shaw)

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