Law and Ethics of Street Hypnosis

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on September 4, 2009 at 12:53am

Mr Smith said:

“The consensus from most councils is *allegedly* that hypnosis as a street performance would need to be licensed IF they already insist on that. As it should be if it is a *performance* ”

I am sure you are right, but these 'laws' are for 'entertainment'... which needs a licence.

However, if you acknowledge yourself as a clown... then it becomes 'Circus' and you do not need a licence for that, as it is not classed at 'entertainment'


As a Circus performer, I am allowed to busk for money,
or do street performances for fun, anywhere in the country,
as long as I don't create a public nuisance,
or break any real laws.
If I chose to do hypnosis as part of that (which I don't !),
I would get away with it.

I have other serious ethical objections to the way people do street hypnosis,
but the legal ones are not the real issue.

This backbiting for publicity and egotism, Mr Smith, is certainly not endearing you to people on this site, (from all the feedback I get.)

Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Robert Dodge on September 4, 2009 at 1:05am

Alex,

How would you stand in say a restaurant then if you were having dinner and a member of staff asked for a demonstation?
Would a suggestability test for example be ok as in this context it would be classed as a demonstation.

I feel Alex is 100% correct with regards to licencing and insurance, Fable is also aware that he would be required to get a entertainment type licence to perform anything in the street - Is that right Fable?

Something that also has not been mentioned but feel that it needs to be, when someone is being video'd and this video is then being uploaded to youtube I would expect the person being filmed should have to be informed that this would be taking place - authority given.?

All it takes is that one occurrance of ab-reaction which in turn could cause a subject to say walk in front of a London bus and get killed to severely blacken the publics already dim view of hypnosis etc - Personally I do not want to be part and parcel of something like that - Do You??

Robert.

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Permalink Reply by Robert Dodge on September 4, 2009 at 1:08am

Hi Fable,

I missed our chats x Are you still eating those rather large breakfast type rolls??

Only this week I had considered joining the clown community and adding hypnosis to my repetoir (Cant spell that)

and thank you for explaining about how your act would differ

Robert
x love and hugs back.

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on September 4, 2009 at 1:40am

Cheers for the lesson Mr Smith,

Yes I was aware of your Circus Background.

Also having been a Circus Skills Trainer, workshop facilitator and Performer for many years, I did know the meaning of the word circus. (Why would you imagine I wouldn't?) And mention it sometimes in workshops, when I am teachhing Circus Skills like Poi, Plate Spinning, devill stick , Diabolo, etc... most Circus skills, involve circular movements. (a bit like your arguments). However I only mention that when it is relevant to the workshop or conversation... Not just to show off, or win a point by demonstrating the old trick of doing a google search and pasting the results to give the impression that you are knowledgable.

All that stuff you pasted is rather irelevant to this disucssion.

What I said about Circus performances not being classed as "entertainment" is correct for council by laws etc.. as long as any music played, is only incidental to the performance. Otherwise it would be classed as a musical performance.

Now much as I would like to carry on this circular debate... I do have a busy day ahead, and have bigger fish to fry, this Friday.

Love and hugs,

Fable


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Permalink Reply by Joey Smart on September 4, 2009 at 3:06am

Why does the expression:
" teaching your grandmother to suck eggs"
keep coming to my mind when I read your posts

Why would you imagine that Fable dosn't already have a copy of that set of guidelines...

Why would you imagine that he hasn't already studied it in detail,
I've read through it too in his Palace,
and been in workshops where Fable has raised the issue
with local councils to discuss the implications.
and come to the agreement that as far as busking style street performance is concerned,
Circus activities, is not regarded as "entertainment",
and as such does not need a licence application,
but should comply with law of the land,
regarding in particular public order, and safety.

Naturally both Fable and I have £10,000,000 public liability insurance.
( Fable's specifically includes 'Musical Saw' which is certainly Mesmerising)
Which we need for the big gig we are doing in
South Shields tomorrow for
the Guides 100 year Celebration.
(actually South Tyneside Council only insist on £5,000,000, but nice to be on the safe side!)
And Wolsingham County Show on Sunday,
where we are being paid by Wear Valley Council.

I wish you would start treating all of your colleagues with a bit more respect.

Joey Diabolo

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Permalink Reply by James Brown on September 4, 2009 at 3:20am

Alex

You have now stated your opinion and argument, repeatedly, on this thread. Unless you have something NEW to add may I suggest you leave it for now.

incidentally, you keep suggesting that I have been involved in filmed hypno attacks. To set the record straight I have never been filmed doing a hypno attack. All the youtube footage of me is either privately filmed sessions with no audience or performing magic/pickpocketing in public.

I would respect you views more if you used facts and didnt make sweeping allegations.

James Brown

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Permalink Reply by James Brown on September 4, 2009 at 7:45am

Bloody hell! You're even going after Derren!

Or is this just another cheap publicity exercise?

You talk about ethics and morals yet you appear to have none yourself.

I will now formally request that you leave this discussion alone - It was never a forum for your self publicity

James Brown

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Permalink Reply by tc_Burt on August 29, 2010 at 7:37am

Wow thanks for this. I think you protesteth too much, obviously challenged and threatened. I for one will definitely give Anthony Jaquin a closer look. Anyone who inspires that much ire and wrath is obviously doing something potentially worthwhile. Thank you for bringing my attention to him.

Alex Smith said:

For Those Who are in any doubt to the fact that Street Hypnosis in England (UK) without the Correct Licenses, Insurance and Risk Assessments being in place IS ILLEGAL then check this out:

http://anthonyjacquinstreethypnosisexposed.wordpress.com/2010/08/29...

This also illustrates that what people like Anthony Jacquin does on his courses and DVDS is also illegal.

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Permalink Reply by James Brown on August 29, 2010 at 7:44am

Oh great! More self promotion from JR. It's almost like he has nothing better to do...

Alex Smith said:

For Those Who are in any doubt to the fact that Street Hypnosis in England (UK) without the Correct Licenses, Insurance and Risk Assessments being in place IS ILLEGAL then check this out: http://anthonyjacquinstreethypnosisexposed.wordpress.com/2010/08/29...

This also illustrates that what people like Anthony Jacquin does on his courses and DVDS is also illegal.

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on August 29, 2010 at 7:49am

Seriously, why do you think your account isn't going to get deleted?!


Alex Smith said:

For Those Who are in any doubt to the fact that Street Hypnosis in England (UK) without the Correct Licenses, Insurance and Risk Assessments being in place IS ILLEGAL then check this out:

http://anthonyjacquinstreethypnosisexposed.wordpress.com/2010/08/29...

This also illustrates that what people like Anthony Jacquin does on his courses and DVDS is also illegal.

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on August 29, 2010 at 9:35am

Those who can't succeed on their own often need to tear down those who can.

Just sayin',

James

Alex Smith said:

For Those Who are in any doubt to the fact that Street Hypnosis in England (UK) without the Correct Licenses, Insurance and Risk Assessments being in place IS ILLEGAL then check this out:

http://anthonyjacquinstreethypnosisexposed.wordpress.com/2010/08/29...

This also illustrates that what people like Anthony Jacquin does on his courses and DVDS is also illegal.

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Permalink Reply by Richard Clark MFT on August 29, 2010 at 12:09pm

Sorry to any and all that enjoy this type of thing with Alex. I deleted him AGAIN as he was spamming the entire site with his diatribe.

Please feel free to continue to talk about him in his absence. I'm sure he would do the same for any of you. (j/k)

Richard

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