lucid dreaming via hypnosis

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Permalink Reply by Tranzkey on June 3, 2009 at 3:11pm

What do you mean by "lucid dream?"

All dreams are lucid (real) at the time of the actual dreaming.

Does the person want to remember the dream clearly when they awaken, or do they want sc to resolve a problem while they dream, so they can wake up knowing the answer, but maybe not the dream?

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on June 3, 2009 at 3:35pm

No as in being 'awake' and aware while the dream is happening.

Tranzkey said:

What do you mean by "lucid dream?"

All dreams are lucid (real) at the time of the actual dreaming.

Does the person want to remember the dream clearly when they awaken, or do they want sc to resolve a problem while they dream, so they can wake up knowing the answer, but maybe not the dream?

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Permalink Reply by Tranzkey on June 3, 2009 at 3:55pm

Now you really confuse me.

I consider dream to be a sleep phenomenon.

If it was really lucid, like a nightmare, the person wakes up in FEAR.

It is possible, I think, that you can suggest that a person can remember their dream as if it were their activity of yesterday, but if one is "awake" and dreaming, it is more like seeing faces in clouds, an hallucination, or a mirage.

Good luck with this, and please share any interesting results.

I am curious, but this is a topic I do not really know...

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Permalink Reply by Jill Semonin PhD- CHt on June 3, 2009 at 5:05pm

Lucid Dreaming is when you are in a dream, and can be totally consciously aware that you are indeed dreaming.I call it the point of being in-between high theta and very low alpha.

At that point you can totally control the dream. Most my dreams that become lucid, seem to be some kind of psychic prediction of some sort for some odd reason. I had an extreme lucid dream when I was in the 8th grade about being in the yard of a home I didn't know, but ended up being my home 8 years later (I still live there). I saw the home in detail... years later when my husband and I walked through the home, I KNEW, this was that home I dreamed about. I remembered the dream strongly and still do to this day. I have also already seen my next home. Have yet to find it, but I know exactly what it looks like.

What made it lucid? (or how did I recognize it?) Well, while I was dreaming, I told a person in my dream that it was my dream. They said "nuh-uh... really?" and I replied... "YUP! I can prove it WATCH!" At that point I jumped into the air, and landed on the top of the roof of the home I now live in. I didn't know this house existed back then... (I was a kid, did not live in the neighborhood and knew nothing of this house, or the people in it.) I then looked down, jumped back down and said.... "see? you cannot do that in real life". Then I said... "I can fly too" and I did. I fly all the time in my dreams, which is usually a trigger that I am indeed having a lucid dream.

Perhaps anchor in a "Unrealistic" feeling to make them aware that they are in REM state and near awakening, but still asleep. They can then control it and have so much fun. I do. I do it all the time. I love my dreams......

Have fun~
Jill

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Permalink Reply by Tranzkey on June 3, 2009 at 5:17pm

Thanks Jill,

I think that there were only a few times in 50 years of dreams, where I was in the dream, and knowing that I was dreaming.

I do not know if I could do it on purpose, or why anybody would want to do it on purpose.

I want to encourage both you and Antonio to share more of your learning about this path.

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Permalink Reply by Shirley R. Patterson on June 3, 2009 at 5:58pm

I have had lucid dreams also. I agree with what Jill has stated.

They do not happen all the time, but when they do, and I am able to control the events in the dream, it is a totally different experience.

Shirley

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on June 3, 2009 at 6:08pm

I believe what the client might be after is the guided positive hallucinations available with trance. They are as lucid as it gets and easily woven for a subject. I do this all the time online and call them Fantasy Trance Adventures. Of course most of the ones I do are of an erotic nature but that isn't a mandatory scenario.

I hope that helps
John

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Permalink Reply by the grumpy hypnotist on June 3, 2009 at 6:44pm

Hello Antonio,

I have helped a client with request related to lucid dreaming. It is unclear what the objective of your potential client is:

a) if they want to experience a lucid dreaming state within hypnosis, or rather

b) if they want to use hypnosis to cause lucid dreaming to occur more reliably.

in the case of a) --- I do not know what the confluence between hypnosis and lucid dreaming would be (if any), or if the anchoring idea would work, especially if they have never experienced that state before.

in the case of b) --- on the other hand, hypnosis can be very useful for instilling the habits that make lucid dreaming more likely. Such as consciously repeating intention and desire, while drifiting off to sleep, to be aware of dream state; or, waking up without alarm clock; or, having discipline to write down dream fragments as soon as emerging from sleep.

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on June 3, 2009 at 8:13pm

Well Tranzkey, dreams can play an important role in therapeutic change. A person may find that they are getting new insights into some particular problem and or issue they are having. Also they may find that they can in a sense 'control' the outcome of a positive change in a dream.

Tranzkey said:

Thanks Jill,

I think that there were only a few times in 50 years of dreams, where I was in the dream, and knowing that I was dreaming.

I do not know if I could do it on purpose, or why anybody would want to do it on purpose.

I want to encourage both you and Antonio to share more of your learning about this path.

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Permalink Reply by Jill Semonin PhD- CHt on June 4, 2009 at 1:43am

I personally have never used a dream journal, as I remember most my dreams. Using it with hypnosis would be just to have the client NOTICE while dreaming that if anything UNREALISTIC happens, it will immediately trigger their subconscious to let their conscious know, it's a dream.

I do recommend a dream journal for those who do not remember their dreams normally. Keep it by the bed and have them write in it, the moment they wake up. Had I done this, I would have had to buy massive amounts of journals. LOL

In most cases of those who cannot seem to have lucid dreaming, it happens best during morning hours, after quite a few rounds of REM sleep. If one doesn't get enough sleep, it would be rare to accomplish the Lucid state. In most of my own Lucid dreams, I have already had at least 7 hours of sleep. The 8th and 9th hour is normally just PLAYTIME! That is now the time when I can really sleep just to have fun and control my dreams. Hypnosis is no longer needed for me to have a trigger to make me notice. Just remember: It's the not deep (Delta) sleep that we need to accomplish this; it's the few rounds of venting sleep (REM) that is most important. Once that is accomplished, then having fun is what it's all about to me. Daytime naps are good for this too.

It's now time to fly, have fun, travel, play, erotic anything, be anything you want. It's also a psychic time to predict.

In many of my lucid states, it feels VERY real.... so it's hard to realize it's just a dream. Planting an anchor to become MORE aware of unrealistic things would be ideal for the hypnotists client.

BWT, I can read in my dreams, smell, see in color, taste, and I have been shot, stabbed, fallen off very high buildings and landed. I never die..... So the theory of: if you fall and hit bottom in your dream, you will die in real life, is not true. In the movie DREAMSCAPE..... they used this theory. It's not true. I have been shot in the head, stabbed in the neck and still walked around trying to get to a hospital. LOL Never got there, never died. Just kept trying, till it turned into something else and I realized, it's not real.

I cannot stand the dreams that are emotional torment. I had past abusive relationships and I dream I am back in that time and when I wake up, I am panting and crying.... So glad to be awake. I then lay back down and turn the dream into something better.

All depends on how much time one is willing, or has, to start trying to dream more.
Blessings~
Jill

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Permalink Reply by Bonnie Robinson on June 4, 2009 at 8:32am

I started "controlling my dreams" at a very early age because I was having a reoccurring nightmare, which I think I posted on here about before, but maybe not. I use to dream from as early as I can remember that I would see a spiral and I would be falling in to it.

(This actually affected me when I first started learning hypnosis as that is the "normal" symbol you see for hypnosis and it still gives me a negative feeling, people have suggested I had watched an early Twilight Zone or Outer Limits whichever one used that as well and it scared me and so it got connected in my subconscious)

I knew once I saw the spiral in my sleep that I would have a nightmare, but there was nothing I could do as I was asleep, so not only would I have the nightmare but I would know before it even started that it was coming. The first time I remember this happening I was about 6 years old, by the time I was 10ish I was able to pull myself out of the spiral, after that it never happened again.

Since then I have been able to "control my dreams" as I always called it. In order to do this I would have to understand I was dreaming, don't get me wrong I don't do it 100% of the time but if I'm having "flying dreams" or dreams where I'm in danger I will do this. Makes the "flying dreams" fun and makes those dreams where I'm in danger not scary. For instance if I feel I can't breath I think, wait you are dreaming, you are fine and in bed, just calm down and breath. Recently when discussing this with a friend of my daughters he told me it was called Lucid Dreaming. So this is an area I've been recently looking in to myself.

Not really answering any of your questions Antonio, sorry about that.

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