Male client who wants female hormones

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Permalink Reply by Barry Neale on February 4, 2012 at 11:08am

some years ago I was searching for keywords for a google adwords campaign and one of the most searched terms on hypnosis after weight loss and smoking was feminization hypnosis. I know i maybe naive but had no idea what is was (even though I 30+ years of hypnosis) so I googled it.

 

I have to say I was amazed by what i saw. Hypnotists making claims for being able to do all sorts of things which I have never thought of doing.

 

Does it work. Possibly. With a motivated client and a good hypnotist.

 

If I was going to attempt this I would probably check for congruence at the u/c level and then use something like the control room technique

 

barry

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Permalink Reply by Omar Alexandro on February 4, 2012 at 11:12am

Thanks a lot, Barry. Then, I'll research more befire I tell this client about that :) But now, Im curious to know what did you see hypnotists doing you never thought Lol

Barry Neale said:

some years ago I was searching for keywords for a google adwords campaign and one of the most searched terms on hypnosis after weight loss and smoking was feminization hypnosis. I know i maybe naive but had no idea what is was (even though I 30+ years of hypnosis) so I googled it.

 

I have to say I was amazed by what i saw. Hypnotists making claims for being able to do all sorts of things which I have never thought of doing.

 

Does it work. Possibly. With a motivated client and a good hypnotist.

 

If I was going to attempt this I would probably check for congruence at the u/c level and then use something like the control room technique

 

barry

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Permalink Reply by Chuck Emig on February 4, 2012 at 1:05pm

It is my understanding that even hormone replacement therapy will not do anything to change a man's voice once it has deepened at puberty. I could see hypnosis being used to help with the vocal training work to archive a more feminine voice, but hormones alone aren't going to do the trick.

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Permalink Reply by Omar Alexandro on February 4, 2012 at 1:31pm

What if this person had a hormone problem all his life, and the voice didn't change that much at puberty? But very short time ago, his body increased some testosterone and the voice turned a little bit deeper? But it didn't happen during puberty?

Chuck Emig said:

It is my understanding that even hormone replacement therapy will not do anything to change a man's voice once it has deepened at puberty. I could see hypnosis being used to help with the vocal training work to archive a more feminine voice, but hormones alone aren't going to do the trick.

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on February 4, 2012 at 2:04pm

I will send a link to Amy Marsh, she is the expert in this subject.

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Permalink Reply by Omar Alexandro on February 4, 2012 at 2:08pm

Thank you, so much :)

Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com said:

I will send a link to Amy Marsh, she is the expert in this subject.

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Permalink Reply by Brian on February 4, 2012 at 11:09pm

i also had a similar request.  and also checked into hormone therapy.

One article i read about it was how sometimes the hormone therapy caused cancer in some people. now would that be a good risk to take?

It really made me think about this.    If someone really and truly wants to be more feminine, wouldn't it make sense that you already have the critical factor beat in this case.  and through hypnosis you can indeed train the body to become female....  If you can train the body to feel feminine then perhaps the body will begin to create the estrogen needed to actually change inside  (Voice,breasts).  The theory is this, as the body can create more adrenaline naturally, it can also be created by hypnosis.   we all create estrogen as part of our makeup.   we all start out as women.  So it would make sense, to me anyway, that producing more estrogen in the body would definitely be a worth while en-devour for those who choose to seek this kind of treatment.    if nothing else they will definitely feel sexy and amazing.

i also recommended seeing a psychiatrist to make sure its something they really want to do.  

if after seeing a psychiatrist and still they want to pursue this kind of thing.  their belief system is enhanced psychologically tenfold and i am certain the hypnosis would work.  

as we know you cant be hypnotized unless you believe it.   the stronger the belief the better it WORKS

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Permalink Reply by Bernard Rapol on February 5, 2012 at 1:00am

Hello Omar,

these fields are indeed interesting to explore.

I myself am busy in several of these fields, starting from the program of breast augmentation, since this has been documented in several scientific studies by the MD's. This program is a fact. It works. Period.

So, if growing larger breasts with women is possible, then what is NOT possible?

The feminisation proces will be largely due to the hormone shift, but as we hypno's know: the subconscious creates the body that exists as a blueprint within the mind. Change this blueprint (put another picture of the ideal body into the person's mind), and the subconscious will start to change the body itself.

You can grow breasts larger or smaller, make hair grow back, give hair its original colour back after turning grey, improve eyesight, etc.

It's only a matter of finding the right way:

- create expectation (a person must really, really want it, not: 'i'll give it a try)

- create a new image, blueprint in the subconscious

- compound this image over and over: listen to tapes (one with hormone stimulus, one with the new body image, one with motivation), every day (do not skip one day!)

This way, the subconscious has no choice but to deliver what you want. Remember the subconscious is a computer. It does not analyse: is this good or bad? No, it executes, IF the suggestions are good, wanted and come in with enough power and enthusiasm.

Greetings,

Bernard

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Permalink Reply by Marc Whipple on February 5, 2012 at 4:53am

The physical changes to the larynx that produce men's deeper voices are irreversible - it's a "ratcheting" effect. Only surgery can alter the process and for obvious reasons this is NOT a good idea. It's not like there aren't deep-voiced women.

As far as the general question about altering hormonal balance through hypnosis, the answer is, "Anything's possible, but don't get your hopes up." I mean, if pseudocyesis (hysterical pregnancy) can induce actual physical changes including lactation due solely to psychological factors, obviously things are hooked up in ways we don't understand. But keep in mind that things like that are incredibly rare. If you and the client are both comfortable with it, and the client is under psychological supervision (transitioning at this level is a serious business and the person should consult with a psychotherapist familiar with these issues) then there's certainly no harm in it and it might help at a psychological level if not a physical one. But as always, don't make promises.

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Permalink Reply by Amy Marsh on February 5, 2012 at 9:22am

Hi Omar,

And thanks to Richard for sending me this post. I have a few comments. This is a very complex issue and deserves deep thought. 

1) First of all, rather than rush to solve the presenting problem, which in this case is a client's desire to expedite her transition and perhaps boost the production of estrogen, I would dearly love to see hypnotists develop a PROTOCOL FOR BEST PRACTICES in addressing the concerns of gender variant clients, whatever they may be. This is imperative, as much damage can be done even in a well-meaning practice.

A well-thought out template that could be adapted by professional hypnotists can be found in the ALGBTIC/American Counseling Association counseling protocols for trans clients. I have put it in the "ongoing resources thread" of my group here on Hypnothoughts.

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/group/hypnosisfortransgendervariantpeople

Other good sources of info are also there - including Transgender Law Center's downloadable PDFs for offering health services to trans clients, and protocols suggested by the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health. You can also get a lot of info about hormone protocols, risks, etc. there. 

2) An important point is to use the correct pronouns and forms of address. A person who has been assigned one gender at birth who is not in congruence with that gender assignment IS already the gender (or gender blend) that she/he/ze/they wants to actualize in her/his/hir/their life and appearance. Professional standards of practice in other helping professions recommend referring to and about our transgender, transsexual, and gender variant clients by their chosen pronouns and names. 

3) This client also needs well-informed medical monitoring and health care, and a reputable source of her hormones. Too many people buy junk off the internet, and do not have their side effects monitored. That's because all too many medical professionals still basically suck at dealing with trans issues. If she does not have adequate medical support, help find a referral for her. 

4) I agree with Chuck about vocal training and the use of hypnotism to support this.

5) Just judging from my read of the above post, I feel this client is very eager to be her authentic self in the world. I would suggest that you

a) support her, via hypnosis, in a discovery process which allows her to into a strong sense of her authentic gender expression (typical "feminization" hypnosis is very gender binary and not all trans women are going to go for high glamour or "sissie" roles). 

b) give her positive suggestions about having great experiences with her hormones, lessen side effects, respond well in a healthy way, etc. I would not suggest that she could get the results she wants strictly through hypnotism - that would be unethical. However, if she wants to try hypnotism as a way to gently begin the process of coming into her own, feeling her body as she'd like it to be, I think you could do that. 

Everyone, please get up to speed on trans issues first before serving these clients. We, as professionals, can do a much better job with our trans and gender variant clients. 

Thanks for listening!

Amy

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on February 5, 2012 at 6:52pm

Amy, you make a very valid point regarding medical suprvision.  lot of people do purchase hormones of dubious quality from the internet, the result can be asa tragic as bothced plastic surgery, and even death and impariment through stroke.  This is something that needs careful monitoring.  

Hypnosis can also be used, pre and post-FFS surgery, which for many TS is more important that GRS.   (FFS =Facial Feminization Surgery; GRS = Gender Reassignment Surgery.

I do not think the average hypnostist has the training or expertise or knowledge to produce profund non homronal results.    Sure it is a theoretical possibility, but in these cases we know proper hormone therapy through medical sources are most effective.  We also know the FFS process is perhaps from a psychological perspective, the most important element of transition for many, and that this can, for many, have as much impact as hormone therapy in adapting the desired transitonal aspects and characteristics.

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Permalink Reply by Amy Marsh on February 5, 2012 at 7:59pm

Hi Richard,

Yes, I am glad you brought up the importance of Facial Feminization surgery for trans women. Absolutely.

And this also brings up the topic of pre- and post-op hynotism as a complementary aid to healing and pain reduction for any surgery, including FFS, GRS, and double mastectomies for trans men. I think this is a service that sensitive and well-informed hypnotists can certainly offer their trans and gender variant clients. 

Amy

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